Hillary vows to break up OPEC

[Vic]

http://www.theaustralian.news....,23656463-2703,00.html

Clinton pledges to smash OPEC

Geoff Elliott, Indianapolis, Indiana | May 07, 2008

HILLARY Clinton has continued to raise the populist rhetoric in a pitch to blue-collar votes, vowing on the eve of crucial Democrat primaries in two states to smash the OPEC "cartel".

Senator Clinton and rival Barack Obama hop-scotched around North Carolina and Indiana yesterday as one of the US's most epic presidential nomination fights inches closer to conclusion.

The candidates were vying for every last vote in both states - the outcome is likely to be known by mid-morning eastern Australian time - with Senator Obama expected to win North Carolina and polls showing a narrow win for Senator Clinton in Indiana.

But the past 48 hours have seen what many describe as a shameless populist pitch from Senator Clinton to seal the vote in Indiana, a state hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs.

Last year, Senator Clinton appeared on the cover of Fortune magazine under the heading "Why business loves Hillary" but now she's pitching to blue-collar voters by slamming Wall Street and lamenting how the working class "don't want the game rigged against us".

Yesterday, she inched up the rhetoric further, raising the unlikely possibility of trying to break up the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

"We're going to go right at OPEC," she told supporters in Merrillville, Indiana. "They can no longer be a cartel, a monopoly that get together once every couple of months in some conference room in some plush place in the world, they decide how much oil they're going to produce and what price they're going to put it at.

"That's not a market. That's a monopoly," she said, saying she would use US anti-monopoly laws as well as the World Trade Organisation to take on OPEC.

Her message has been part of her extreme makeover. She and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, are said to have a net worth of more than $US100million ($106 million) but she has recently managed to portray herself as the working-class hero to some effect.

Her pitch in the past few days includes slamming China and claiming she can lower petrol prices - both hot-button issues in Indiana.

Senator Clinton has proposed a gas-tax holiday paid by the oil companies to try to lower the price of petrol at the pump.

The move on petrol has been lampooned by economists and Senator Obama - who said Senator Clinton was trusting the oil companies to pass on the savings to consumers. Senator Clinton has described the backlash as "elite opinion".

Her pitch on petrol prices has been a clever political move as prices have continued to soar, the price of oil hitting $US120 a barrel yesterday.

Senator Clinton's language on the stump has been pitch perfect for the working class in Indiana, saying yesterday how it was time "to quit wringing our hands and start rolling up our sleeves", declaring she was a candidate who knows what it takes to "fight for jobs, jobs, jobs".

Her campaign has also sent letters to Indiana voters declaring Senator Obama was soft on guns, despite Senator Clinton herself being persona non grata with the powerful gun lobby, the National Rifle Association.

The key battleground state today is Indiana, with a fairly evenly matched demographic mix of Obama and Clinton supporters.

Neither candidate was predicting victory although sources in the Obama camp were expecting a five-percentage-point loss.

A Clinton win will place more doubt in the minds of party officials wondering if Senator Obama can carry the working-class vote in November. An Obama win would most likely seal the nomination for him.

In North Carolina yesterday, in one of seven stops he made throughout the day, Senator Obama told factory workers: "I want your vote. I want it badly."

Similarly, Senator Clinton campaigned relentlessly, starting in North Carolina and finishing in Indiana at around midnight, conducting more than half a dozen campaign stops.

Bill Clinton attended a remarkable nine campaign events in North Carolina. The Clintons' determination reflects the stakes - the possibility of the upstart challenger in Senator Obama consigning their standing at the top of the Democratic Party establishment to history.

With her back against the wall in today's election, it seems there is no end to the populist rhetoric and bald-faced pandering lies that Hillary will resort to. Is this really the kind of person we want as our next President?
Forget about the fact that OPEC doesn't control oil prices or that the US has no control over this international organization, she's promising to take them out.
Forget that the gas tax holiday is a shell game at best, economists are ivory tower elitists.
Forget that the NRA hates her as the antichrist, she attacks Obama for his stance on guns.
Forget that Bill pushed through NAFTA and China Free Trade Act while President, she was always against them, even though no one recalls ever hearing her say so at the time.
Sniper fire in Bosnia... on and on and on.

It's bad enough when our politicians secretly deceive us, how can anyone tolerate Hillary's blatant bald-faced lying? Have we not learned our lessons from the past?

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

 

[ElFenix]

it worked so well against debeers

 

[bamacre]

I always wondered what it would be like to have an honest president. Something even close would probably be mind-boggling.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Vic

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

Done.

This is pathetic, but I'm sure her supporters will eat this up. How STUPID does she think people are?

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I always wondered what it would be like to have an honest president. Something even close would probably be mind-boggling.

that's like wondering how deep the snow is in hell... both are as likely to happen.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: Vic

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

Done.

This is pathetic, but I'm sure her supporters will eat this up. How STUPID does she think people are?

they elected GW twice, how stupid ARE the people?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: bamacre
I always wondered what it would be like to have an honest president. Something even close would probably be mind-boggling.

I've always wondered what it would be like to have a population too smart for Hillary swill.

She is what we deserve and she knows it. She has no organic shame at all. Her point is that she can be the worst piece of shit in the world and that is what will win. We elect garbage. It's our way.

We will reek or we will change. It's our decision.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: Vic

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

Done.

This is pathetic, but I'm sure her supporters will eat this up. How STUPID does she think people are?

they elected GW twice, how stupid ARE the people?

That's not a fair assessment. You can't put down 100% of the people for the faults of 50.1% of them. Both votes were EXTREMELY close, and in either case, Bush would have lost had the Dems fielded a better candidate. This year, the Dems have that better candidate, so why is Hillary even still in the running?

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We will reek or we will change. It's our decision.

Your idea of change is a false one. Washington DC will corrupt Obama like anyone else.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre
I always wondered what it would be like to have an honest president. Something even close would probably be mind-boggling.

I've always wondered what it would be like to have a population too smart for Hillary swill.

She is what we deserve and she knows it. She has no organic shame at all. Her point is that she can be the worst piece of shit in the world and that is what will win. We elect garbage. It's our way.

We will reek or we will change. It's our decision.

It's a shame when you think about it. The Founders of this country endless stressed the need for education in democracy. Near the end of his life, Jefferson claimed to be more proud of establishing the University of Virginia than of writing the Declaration of Independence. They knew that in order to entrust democracy and a government of the people to the people, that the people would need to be educated and informed in order to make the right decisions.
How well are we living up the that ideal today?

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We will reek or we will change. It's our decision.

Your idea of change is a false one. Washington DC will corrupt Obama like anyone else.

So we should choose someone who is already hopelessly corrupted instead?

 

[Phokus]

Clinton pledges to smash OPEC

Hillary's getting angry... you don't want to see her angry!

HILLARY SMASH HILLARY SMASH!

:roll:

This 'woman' will say anything to get elected. That Obama campaign worker who called Hildabeast a 'monster' for that Irish newspaper was 100% dead on.

 

[Exterous]

Perhaps if she could give some substance to her claim - like how she intends to accomplish this. Maybe if we just call them mean names it will work

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We will reek or we will change. It's our decision.

Your idea of change is a false one. Washington DC will corrupt Obama like anyone else.

So we should choose someone who is already hopelessly corrupted instead?

I did not say that.

Moonbeam makes it sound like we have something to celebrate. Where as replacing 1 man in Washington DC is only a fool's hope. We need a political party dedicated to it, we need this ?change? to take over Washington ? not to send a single lamb to the slaughter.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Vic
http://www.theaustralian.news....,23656463-2703,00.html

Clinton pledges to smash OPEC

Geoff Elliott, Indianapolis, Indiana | May 07, 2008

HILLARY Clinton has continued to raise the populist rhetoric in a pitch to blue-collar votes, vowing on the eve of crucial Democrat primaries in two states to smash the OPEC "cartel".

Senator Clinton and rival Barack Obama hop-scotched around North Carolina and Indiana yesterday as one of the US's most epic presidential nomination fights inches closer to conclusion.

The candidates were vying for every last vote in both states - the outcome is likely to be known by mid-morning eastern Australian time - with Senator Obama expected to win North Carolina and polls showing a narrow win for Senator Clinton in Indiana.

But the past 48 hours have seen what many describe as a shameless populist pitch from Senator Clinton to seal the vote in Indiana, a state hit hard by the loss of manufacturing jobs.

Last year, Senator Clinton appeared on the cover of Fortune magazine under the heading "Why business loves Hillary" but now she's pitching to blue-collar voters by slamming Wall Street and lamenting how the working class "don't want the game rigged against us".

Yesterday, she inched up the rhetoric further, raising the unlikely possibility of trying to break up the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries.

"We're going to go right at OPEC," she told supporters in Merrillville, Indiana. "They can no longer be a cartel, a monopoly that get together once every couple of months in some conference room in some plush place in the world, they decide how much oil they're going to produce and what price they're going to put it at.

"That's not a market. That's a monopoly," she said, saying she would use US anti-monopoly laws as well as the World Trade Organisation to take on OPEC.

Her message has been part of her extreme makeover. She and her husband, former president Bill Clinton, are said to have a net worth of more than $US100million ($106 million) but she has recently managed to portray herself as the working-class hero to some effect.

Her pitch in the past few days includes slamming China and claiming she can lower petrol prices - both hot-button issues in Indiana.

Senator Clinton has proposed a gas-tax holiday paid by the oil companies to try to lower the price of petrol at the pump.

The move on petrol has been lampooned by economists and Senator Obama - who said Senator Clinton was trusting the oil companies to pass on the savings to consumers. Senator Clinton has described the backlash as "elite opinion".

Her pitch on petrol prices has been a clever political move as prices have continued to soar, the price of oil hitting $US120 a barrel yesterday.

Senator Clinton's language on the stump has been pitch perfect for the working class in Indiana, saying yesterday how it was time "to quit wringing our hands and start rolling up our sleeves", declaring she was a candidate who knows what it takes to "fight for jobs, jobs, jobs".

Her campaign has also sent letters to Indiana voters declaring Senator Obama was soft on guns, despite Senator Clinton herself being persona non grata with the powerful gun lobby, the National Rifle Association.

The key battleground state today is Indiana, with a fairly evenly matched demographic mix of Obama and Clinton supporters.

Neither candidate was predicting victory although sources in the Obama camp were expecting a five-percentage-point loss.

A Clinton win will place more doubt in the minds of party officials wondering if Senator Obama can carry the working-class vote in November. An Obama win would most likely seal the nomination for him.

In North Carolina yesterday, in one of seven stops he made throughout the day, Senator Obama told factory workers: "I want your vote. I want it badly."

Similarly, Senator Clinton campaigned relentlessly, starting in North Carolina and finishing in Indiana at around midnight, conducting more than half a dozen campaign stops.

Bill Clinton attended a remarkable nine campaign events in North Carolina. The Clintons' determination reflects the stakes - the possibility of the upstart challenger in Senator Obama consigning their standing at the top of the Democratic Party establishment to history.

With her back against the wall in today's election, it seems there is no end to the populist rhetoric and bald-faced pandering lies that Hillary will resort to. Is this really the kind of person we want as our next President?
Forget about the fact that OPEC doesn't control oil prices or that the US has no control over this international organization, she's promising to take them out.
Forget that the gas tax holiday is a shell game at best, economists are ivory tower elitists.
Forget that the NRA hates her as the antichrist, she attacks Obama for his stance on guns.
Forget that Bill pushed through NAFTA and China Free Trade Act while President, she was always against them, even though no one recalls ever hearing her say so at the time.
Sniper fire in Bosnia... on and on and on.

It's bad enough when our politicians secretly deceive us, how can anyone tolerate Hillary's blatant bald-faced lying? Have we not learned our lessons from the past?

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

She said take ON OPEC, and you said take OUT OPEC. I guess there is no difference there eh?

Yeah OPEC doesn't control 100% of oil price changes, but you cannot be serious when you say OPEC and their policies don't 't affect oil price, not even a little. And you cannot be serious when you say US have absolutely no control over countries like Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest OPEC country, when SA royalty relies on the US to keep them in power.

It's just funny to see all you Hillary haters twisting her words, taking her ideas out of context and plainly ignoring reality when bashing her in anyway you can.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Clinton pledges to smash OPEC

Hillary's getting angry... you don't want to see her angry!

HILLARY SMASH HILLARY SMASH!

:roll:

This 'woman' will say anything to get elected. That Obama campaign worker who called Hildabeast a 'monster' for that Irish newspaper was 100% dead on.

I know, can you believe the way she threw her spiritual compass under the bus the moment it became apparent that he was a political liability that couldn't be wiped away with a single speech? what a fracking cold hearted bitch.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
We will reek or we will change. It's our decision.

Your idea of change is a false one. Washington DC will corrupt Obama like anyone else.

So we should choose someone who is already hopelessly corrupted instead?

I did not say that.

Moonbeam makes it sound like we have something to celebrate. Where as replacing 1 man in Washington DC is only a fool's hope. We need a political party dedicated to it, we need this ?change? to take over Washington ? not to send a single lamb to the slaughter.

A journey of 1000 miles begins with 1 step.

Maybe it's a lamb to the slaughter, maybe it's the first step. We won't know unless we try.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: bamacre
I always wondered what it would be like to have an honest president. Something even close would probably be mind-boggling.

I've always wondered what it would be like to have a population too smart for Hillary swill.

She is what we deserve and she knows it. She has no organic shame at all. Her point is that she can be the worst piece of shit in the world and that is what will win. We elect garbage. It's our way.

We will reek or we will change. It's our decision.

It's a shame when you think about it. The Founders of this country endless stressed the need for education in democracy. Near the end of his life, Jefferson claimed to be more proud of establishing the University of Virginia than of writing the Declaration of Independence. They knew that in order to entrust democracy and a government of the people to the people, that the people would need to be educated and informed in order to make the right decisions.
How well are we living up the that ideal today?

One can only hope that the internet can be helpful in spreading information to people. One can look at the numbers Ron Paul collected and see them as small, but without the internet, those numbers would not be significant, and probably 95% of those who supported him would have never known his name.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: rchiu
She said take ON OPEC, and you said take OUT OPEC. I guess there is no difference there eh?

Yeah OPEC doesn't control 100% of oil price changes, but you cannot be serious when you say OPEC and their policies don't 't affect oil price, not even a little. And you cannot be serious when you say US have absolutely no control over countries like Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest OPEC country, when SA royalty relies on the US to keep them in power.

It's just funny to see all you Hillary haters twisting her words, taking her ideas out of context and plainly ignoring reality when bashing her in anyway you can.

Please point out the word twisting:

"We're going to go right at OPEC," she told supporters in Merrillville, Indiana. "They can no longer be a cartel, a monopoly that get together once every couple of months in some conference room in some plush place in the world, they decide how much oil they're going to produce and what price they're going to put it at.

While OTOH you twisted the hell out of what I said, but hey you gotta sneak in a "Hillary hater" jab while continuing to cover up for her endless string of lies. So let me be clear for the 10,000th time: I don't hate Hillary, I just don't want her to be POTUS, for reasons obvious to everyone but her faithful blinded by her constant lies. If you can't see the difference in that, then that's your first failure.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: Vic

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

Done.

This is pathetic, but I'm sure her supporters will eat this up. How STUPID does she think people are?

they elected GW twice, how stupid ARE the people?

Bush or Gore
Bush or Kerry

hummm some choice we have there.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: Vic

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

Done.

This is pathetic, but I'm sure her supporters will eat this up. How STUPID does she think people are?

And done for me. Reallly hope he kicks her ass here in my home state.

 

[Vic]

An additional response to rchiu: I'd like to point out the fact that roughly half of the world's oil production comes from nations outside of OPEC. text

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Citrix
they elected GW twice, how stupid ARE the people?

Bush or Stuffed Bunny
Bush or Sack of potatos

hummm some choice we have there.

Fixed and in both cases the latter would have been better.

Edit: I suck @ clipping quotes

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: rchiu
She said take ON OPEC, and you said take OUT OPEC. I guess there is no difference there eh?

Yeah OPEC doesn't control 100% of oil price changes, but you cannot be serious when you say OPEC and their policies don't 't affect oil price, not even a little. And you cannot be serious when you say US have absolutely no control over countries like Saudi Arabia, one of the biggest OPEC country, when SA royalty relies on the US to keep them in power.

It's just funny to see all you Hillary haters twisting her words, taking her ideas out of context and plainly ignoring reality when bashing her in anyway you can.

Please point out the word twisting:

"We're going to go right at OPEC," she told supporters in Merrillville, Indiana. "They can no longer be a cartel, a monopoly that get together once every couple of months in some conference room in some plush place in the world, they decide how much oil they're going to produce and what price they're going to put it at.

While OTOH you twisted the hell out of what I said, but hey you gotta sneak in a "Hillary hater" jab while continuing to cover up for her endless string of lies. So let me be clear for the 10,000th time: I don't hate Hillary, I just don't want her to be POTUS, for reasons obvious to everyone but her faithful blinded by her constant lies. If you can't see the difference in that, then that's your first failure.

I thought I made it clear by bolding what you said and what she said. She never said about taking OPEC out, or breaking up the organization completely. She said taking it on, or challenging them with anti-monopoly laws and pressuring them with WTO and all the fair trade agreement within WTO. But according to you, and I quote "she's promising to take them out. "

And so what if OPEC don't product all the oil in the market? The market is still looking at their action and signal to decide on what the oil price. You should know the signal is as important and sometime more important then the actual action in a speculative market. OPEC impact this market greatly simply by giving out signals on what action they will be taking just because they are still the largest oil producing body in the world.

 

[Robor]

More empty promises from Hillary to garner votes. I wonder if those who vote for her based on these promises will hold her accountable if she can't deliver?