Hillary May Be Charged Within 60 Days

[dainthomas]

Yeah, remember when Powell and Rice were subjected to the same scrutiny as Clinton and liberals everywhere were screaming bloody hell!

And that entire Iraq war thing, where liberals went crazy persecuting Bush Jr. and Friends!

Oh, right. Some liberal somewhere posted some mean comments on a message board. Basically the same thing as year-long investigations into Whitewater, Filegate, TravelGate, Vincent Foster, Fast And Furious, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi, and finally Email-gazi.


When you can't just blame liberals for everything, the next best thing is to trot out the media tried-and-true BothSidesDoIt™ canard.

Sure, the Republican base voters decided to nominate a know-nothing reality tv bigot, but, but, the Democratic base chose between a Social Democrat who a lot of people found honest and classy even if they disagree with his views, and a lifelong technocrat who - gasp!- plays to polls because that is what successful politicians do. Especially a female politician in a male-dominated profession.

You can disagree with Clinton's warhawkery, and her center-right positions, as I do, and still be able to objectively observe that here in reality, she'd make a better President than Trump, or Ivanka, or Gary Busey, or whomever Trump is planning on making the VP.

In a first-past-the-post electoral system, there are typically two candidates who can win an office. If I have to vote for the candidate that promises that at most I'll get repeatedly punched in the junk, I'll take that over the candidate that says I might get my throat cut.

But that's partisan! Well, sure as shit is. Until the Republican party joins reality, and tells its base that is trying to make a reality-tv bigot President to grow up, we're stuck with one typically bad political party, and then a batshit insane political party. Lose-lose.

Beam and eye. Get that massive splinter out of your eye, and in doing so, the Democratic party will be forced to put up candidates that aren't just Republican lite.

Gold! I think the "gazi" suffix should replace "gate" from now on.

 

[werepossum]

This is how I feel. I will not vote for either of them.

It's how a lot of us feel. Unfortunately, a lot more of us on the right than the left, which tends to see corruption as "getting things done". But conscience is a personal decision, not group statistics.

Please. Dubya commuting Scooter Libby's prison sentence was some of the shadiest shit ever.

Somehow we aren't hearing Republicans crow about it 10 years later like I assume we will with these freaking e-mails.

lol Yes, clearly Bush commuting Scooter Libby's prison sentence for claiming to not remember a discussion at a meeting was much, much worse than Bill Clinton blatantly selling pardons to criminals.

Trump is no prize but it cancels a vote for Hillary.

And Hillary cancels a vote for Trump. There is no clean end on the turd, my friend.

 

[Jhhnn]

lol Yes, clearly Bush commuting Scooter Libby's prison sentence for claiming to not remember a discussion at a meeting was much, much worse than Bill Clinton blatantly selling pardons to criminals.

Revisionist history on your part-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Libby#CIA_grand_jury_investigation

Four counts of lying to federal investigators, one count of perjury before a grand jury & one count of obstruction of justice.

It was obvious he'd never spend a day in jail from the start. He's no G Gordon Liddy. The fix was in before the trial started. Otherwise he'd have rolled over like a marble.

 

[momeNt]

She's not being charged because Trump polls best against her compared to the other D candidates.

If she avoids charges, and loses the election, this is a stroke of genius for the republican party and I really wonder what sort of work went into walking a fine line between raising hell about the issue but yet avoiding her indictment and consequential dropout.

 

[Jhhnn]

She's not being charged because Trump polls best against her compared to the other D candidates.

If she avoids charges, and loses the election, this is a stroke of genius for the republican party and I really wonder what sort of work went into walking a fine line between raising hell about the issue but yet avoiding her indictment and consequential dropout.

New Rules! New Conspiracy theory!

 

[momeNt]

New Rules! New Conspiracy theory!

This wouldn't be a conspiracy theory, this is just political backscratching if the repubs pull this off. Hilary is probably doing her own to stay out of the indictment, but it's to the parties detriment when you consider her polls vs trump compared to other candidates.

 

[theeedude]

Republicans are more afraid of Trump getting elected than Hillary. The smart ones are, at least.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Revisionist history on your part-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Libby#CIA_grand_jury_investigation

Four counts of lying to federal investigators, one count of perjury before a grand jury & one count of obstruction of justice.

It was obvious he'd never spend a day in jail from the start. He's no G Gordon Liddy. The fix was in before the trial started. Otherwise he'd have rolled over like a marble.

Scooter Libby was a pawn. And this why you don't agree to multiple interviews with the FBI.

 

[Jhhnn]

Scooter Libby was a pawn. And this why you don't agree to multiple interviews with the FBI.

He was Cheney's right hand guy. I think he was the point man in outing Plame. Somebody had to take the hit & it was him.

 

[Balt]

lol Yes, clearly Bush commuting Scooter Libby's prison sentence for claiming to not remember a discussion at a meeting was much, much worse than Bill Clinton blatantly selling pardons to criminals.

Your generous interpretation of events doesn't have a basis in reality.

Scooter Libby was a pawn. And this why you don't agree to multiple interviews with the FBI.

Of course he was, and he agreed to be a pawn and protect the administration in exchange for a pardon or the commuting of his sentence by the administration. It doesn't get much dirtier than that.

 

[werepossum]

He was Cheney's right hand guy. I think he was the point man in outing Plame. Somebody had to take the hit & it was him.

For your convenience, I have bolded where you veered into fiction.

Richard Armitage, a career State Department employee, "outed" Plame, which is completely understandable. When someone is openly working at the CIA and issuing non-classified papers and talking points, it is not reasonable to assume she is actually James Bond in drag. Armitage freely admitted it when first interviewed with the first six weeks of the investigation. Later on, Richard Armitage publicly admitted this, after which Judith Miller confirmed that Armitage was her source. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice for saying that he thought he learned of Plame's identity from Tim Russert and that he didn't remember confirming Plame's identity to Miller. Obviously he should have taken lessons from the Clintons - if you must speak to the FBI, tell them you don't remember anything.

 

[Jhhnn]

For your convenience, I have bolded where you veered into fiction.

Richard Armitage, a career State Department employee, "outed" Plame, which is completely understandable. When someone is openly working at the CIA and issuing non-classified papers and talking points, it is not reasonable to assume she is actually James Bond in drag. Armitage freely admitted it when first interviewed with the first six weeks of the investigation. Later on, Richard Armitage publicly admitted this, after which Judith Miller confirmed that Armitage was her source. Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice for saying that he thought he learned of Plame's identity from Tim Russert and that he didn't remember confirming Plame's identity to Miller. Obviously he should have taken lessons from the Clintons - if you must speak to the FBI, tell them you don't remember anything.

It's a matter of record that a special prosecutor & a jury saw it differently. Spin that.

 

[werepossum]

It's a matter of record that a special prosecutor & a jury saw it differently. Spin that.

I imagine Fitzgerald found a dozen people like yourself - not a difficult thing in D.C. - and convinced them that Libby was obstructing justice to protect Cheney. Thus, by convicting Libby, they got the next best thing to convicting Cheney.

 

[werepossum]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/08/leak.armitage/

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage acknowledged Thursday that he was the source who first revealed the identity of CIA officer Valerie Plame to syndicated columnist Robert Novak back in 2003, touching off a federal investigation.

Armitage told the CBS Evening News that he did so inadvertently.

"I feel terrible," Armitage said. "Every day, I think, I let down the president. I let down the secretary of state. I let down my department, my family, and I also let down Mr. and Mrs. Wilson."

In a column published on July 14, 2003, Novak, citing two senior administration officials, noted that Plame was a CIA operative. The column was primarily about Plame's husband, Joe Wilson, a former career diplomat and critic of the intelligence underlying the invasion of Iraq.

Novak has never revealed the original source of the information about Plame. However, he has confirmed that President Bush's chief political strategist, Karl Rove, confirmed the information and was the second source cited in the column.

Novak has said he would not reveal the identity of the original source unless the source came forward. However, he said Fitzgerald learned who the source was independently.

Last month, sources told CNN that Armitage had revealed Plame's role at the CIA in a casual conversation with Novak.

Armitage was not indicted by the federal grand jury that investigated the disclosure of Plame's name to Novak and other journalists. He told CBS that the special counsel investigating the leak, Patrick Fitzgerald, "asked me not to discuss this, and I honored his request."

After Novak's column ran, Wilson accused Bush administration officials of leaking his wife's name in retaliation for his criticisms about intelligence used to buttress the case for invading Iraq. (Full story)

Because deliberately revealing the identity of a CIA operative can be a crime, Fitzgerald, the U.S. attorney in Chicago, was appointed in September 2003 as a special counsel to investigate whether any laws were broken.

While no one has been indicted for actually leaking Plame's identity, Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, has been charged with perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators for allegedly giving false information about his discussions with journalists about Plame.

Libby has denied any wrongdoing and pleaded not guilty.

Armitage, 65, was No. 2 at the State Department under former Secretary of State Colin Powell from 2001 to 2005. He left his post after Powell resigned at the beginning of Bush's second term.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwJCUZHZjV8

 

[Jhhnn]

I imagine Fitzgerald found a dozen people like yourself - not a difficult thing in D.C. - and convinced them that Libby was obstructing justice to protect Cheney. Thus, by convicting Libby, they got the next best thing to convicting Cheney.

Nice conspiracy theory. The rest of it is just using bits of the back story as a way to avoid the whole story, per the usual.

Scooter lied. Scooter obstructed justice. After a suitable period of trying to keep face, Scooter gave up his appeals in 2007-

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-libby-idUSN1041193820071210

He's now a demigod in the right wing martyrs' brigade, as you demonstrate rather well.

 

[Svnla]

Latest poll from ABC News/Washington Post -

Overall, 56 percent disapprove of FBI Director James Comey's recommendation not to charge Clinton, while just 35 percent approve. Similarly, 57 percent say the incident makes them worried about how Clinton might act as president if she were elected, with most very worried about it. Just 39 percent feel the issue isn't related to how she'd perform as president.

https://gma.yahoo.com/majority-disa...ails-poll-110502329--abc-news-topstories.html

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[nageov3t]

Latest poll from ABC News/Washington Post -



https://gma.yahoo.com/majority-disa...ails-poll-110502329--abc-news-topstories.html

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that's such a weird poll... a majority said that they want her indicted, and a majority said that they'd vote for her.

not really sure how to reconcile the two.

 

[Jhhnn]

that's such a weird poll... a majority said that they want her indicted, and a majority said that they'd vote for her.

not really sure how to reconcile the two.

It's a stupid fucking poll about another puffed up Repub scandal.

Fading... fading... and gone after the conventions.

 

[Jaepheth]

that's such a weird poll... a majority said that they want her indicted, and a majority said that they'd vote for her.

not really sure how to reconcile the two.

I guess it means they think she may be crooked, but she best profits from the status quo, which kinda makes her our crook.

 

[werepossum]

that's such a weird poll... a majority said that they want her indicted, and a majority said that they'd vote for her.

not really sure how to reconcile the two.

That's the government the majority wants: She may be a crook, but she's MY crook.

 

[theeedude]

Here's the wording.

1. As you may have heard, FBI Director James Comey (KOE-mee) has recommended NOT charging Hillary Clinton with a crime for her use of personal email while secretary of state, saying she did not have any criminal intent. He also said Clinton was
“extremely careless” in her handling of classified information in her personal e-mail. Do you approve or disapprove of Comey’s recommendation that Clinton should NOT be charged with a crime?

It's borderline a push poll.

 

[ivwshane]

This thread was quite amusing and means so much more when one realizes that during this time the Russians were at full steam with their propaganda.

Its quite telling that most of the useful idiots in this thread have all disappeared. Do you think they left out of shame or did they find a new forum to reinforce their bubble with?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

This thread was quite amusing and means so much more when one realizes that during this time the Russians were at full steam with their propaganda.

Its quite telling that most of the useful idiots in this thread have all disappeared. Do you think they left out of shame or did they find a new forum to reinforce their bubble with?

They are looking for Ivanka's emails.

 

[Jaskalas]

The whole Comey scenario of laying out the criminal act(s), but then saying intent matters... given the flagrant orchestration between co conspirators to carry out said acts is rather remarkable. The IT setup was obviously devised and ordered (that's how they come to exist in the first place), then staff were given instructions regarding it. But hey, guess no one in government knew about the handling of classified info.... or whatever that lame ass excuse was.

I don't know how big of a deal should be made re. the private server and classified documents, but I want the law to be applied fairly and equal to all. My bigger concern are those who mishandle classified info getting the book thrown at them, where intent is utterly irrelevant and they are not allowed to defend themselves by feigning ignorance or benign intent.

The Clinton Defense should be a standard of law, or no defense at all.

 

[Jaskalas]

They are looking for Ivanka's emails.

1: Any claims of classified info?
2: Maybe she'll publicly claim ignorance and that'll be good enough for the FBI and DOJ.
3: She might even wipe the server with a cloth.