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Zorba

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The whole Comey scenario of laying out the criminal act(s), but then saying intent matters... given the flagrant orchestration between co conspirators to carry out said acts is rather remarkable. The IT setup was obviously devised and ordered (that's how they come to exist in the first place), then staff were given instructions regarding it. But hey, guess no one in government knew about the handling of classified info.... or whatever that lame ass excuse was.

I don't know how big of a deal it should be made re. the private server and classified documents, but I want the law to be applied fairly and equal to all. My bigger concern are those who mishandle classified info getting the book thrown at them, where intent is utterly irrelevant and they are not allowed to defend themselves by feigning ignorance or benign intent.

The Clinton Defense should be a standard of law, or no defense at all.
If you throw the book at people for minor, unintentional mishandling of classsified information no one will be willing to work with it. I've seen classified information accidentally slip, shit happens, people get yelled at, but if I ever saw someone go to jail for a minor slip I'd never touch the shit again. Find any case of someone being prosecuted for this in the last 20 years.

Also the email server wasn't setup to handle classified information and the FBI determined what there was was all accidental. I still think it is funny that most (all?) of the publicly released information says it was sent to her, not by her, and no one is calling for the jailing of the people that illegally sent the emails.
 
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Jaskalas

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If you throw the book at people for minor, unintentional mishandling of classsified information no one will be willing to work with it. I've seen classified information accidentally slip, shit happens, people get yelled at, but if I ever saw someone go to jail for a minor slip I'd never touch the shit again. Find any case of someone being prosecuted for this in the last 20 years.

Also the email server wasn't setup to handle classified information and the FBI determined what there was was all accidental. I still think it is funny that most (all?) of the publicly released information says it was sent to her, not by her, and no one is calling for the jailing of the people that illegally sent the emails.

I'd be comfortable with the outcome if it was the legal standard.

Any fuss over this is a matter of not understanding whether it was and/or will be in the future.
 

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The Hillary email scandal, that the FBI has been investigating, is apparently reaching a tipping point.

"I believe that the evidence that the FBI is compiling will be so compelling that, unless [Lynch] agrees to the charges, there will be a massive revolt inside the FBI, which she will not be able to survive as an attorney general. It will be like Watergate. It will be unbelievable," DiGenova said.


Full article here;

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/f...ould-face-criminal-indictment/article/2579620

Iwanker better be next.

This thread was quite amusing and means so much more when one realizes that during this time the Russians were at full steam with their propaganda.

Its quite telling that most of the useful idiots in this thread have all disappeared. Do you think they left out of shame or did they find a new forum to reinforce their bubble with?

Most likely, they infected the POF forums and a place called Mingle2. Both places have serious wombats in their forums.

1: Any claims of classified info?
2: Maybe she'll publicly claim ignorance and that'll be good enough for the FBI and DOJ.
3: She might even wipe the server with a cloth.

Or her tongue.
 
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Homerboy

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This thread was quite amusing and means so much more when one realizes that during this time the Russians were at full steam with their propaganda.

Its quite telling that most of the useful idiots in this thread have all disappeared. Do you think they left out of shame or did they find a new forum to reinforce their bubble with?

They've all relocated to /r/The_Donald/ where they can circle jerk in complete ignorance and denial.
 

tweaker2

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Seeing as if Trump just can't let go of Hillary 'til the end of time, I think he should just talk Bill into divorcing Hillary so Trump can have a sweaty hot bedded fling with her and see who taps out first.

That should settle things once and for all between those two.

edit - My apologies to those of whom I had permanently damaged their psyche via the viciously obscene carnal tryst I described in this post.
 
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This thread was quite amusing and means so much more when one realizes that during this time the Russians were at full steam with their propaganda.

Its quite telling that most of the useful idiots in this thread have all disappeared. Do you think they left out of shame or did they find a new forum to reinforce their bubble with?

I have been thinking about Russian propaganda lately and it made me recall Thomas Schuman, a Soviet propagandist who turned and spilled all the secrets of KGB propaganda. Tomas Schuman worked for the communist equivalent of Orwell’s Ministry of Truth: The Novosti Press Agency . Here are some of his thoughts from speeches in the early 1980s.

Their methodology:
But in reality, the main emphasis of the KGB is not in the area of intelligence at all. According to my opinion and the opinion of many defectors of my caliber only about fifteen percent of time, money, and manpower is spent on espionage as such. The other eighty-five percent is a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, or active measures, (~Activitia perionachia, in the language of the KGB), or psychological warfare. What it basically means is to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interests of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.
It’s a great brainwashing process which goes very slow and is divided in four basic stages. The first one being demoralization. It takes from fifteen to twenty years to demoralize a nation. Why that many years? Because this is the minimum number of years which requires to educate one generation of students in the country of your enemy exposed to the ideology of the enemy. In other words Marxist-Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of at least three generations of American students without being challenged or counter-balanced by the basic values of Americanism, American patriotism.
Most of the activity of the Department was to compile huge amount, volume of information on individuals who were instrumental in creating public opinion: publishers, editors, journalists, actors, educationalists, professors of political science, members of Parliament, representatives of business circles. Most of these people were divided roughly in two groups: those that would toe the Soviet foreign policy. They would be promoted to the positions of power through media and public opinion manipulation. Those who refused the Soviet influence in their own country would be character assassinated or executed physically, counter-revolution.

Who they targeted:
Because they know too much. Simply because, you see, the useful idiots, the Leftists who are idealistically believing in the beauty of Soviet socialist or Communist or whatever system, when they get disillusioned, they become the worst enemies. That’s why my KGB instructors specifically made a point, never bother with Leftists. Forget about these political prostitutes. Aim higher. This was my instruction. Try to get into wide circulation, established conservative media. Reach filthy rich movie-makers, intellectuals, so-called academic circles, cynical, egocentric people who can look into your eyes with an angelic expression and tell you a lie. These are the most recruitable people, people who lack moral principles who are either too greedy or too… suffer from self-importance, they feel that they matter a lot. These are the people who KGB wanted very much to recruit.

What happens to them after they have served their purpose:
They serve purpose only at the stage of destabilization of a nation. For example, your leftists in the United States, all these professors, and all these beautiful civil rights defender, they are instrumental in the process of the subversion, only to destabilize the nation. When the job is completed, they are not needed any more. They know too much. Some of them, when they get disillusioned, when they see the Marxist-Leninists come to power, obviously, they get offended. They think that they will come to power. That will never happen, of course. They will be lined up against the wall and shot. But, they may turn into the most bitter enemies of Marxist-Leninists when they come to power. And that’s what happened in Nicaragua. You remember, most of the former Marxist-Leninist were either put to prison, or one of them split and now he’s working against the Sandinistas. It happened in Grenada, when Maurice Bishop, he was already a Marxist. He was executed by a new Marxist, who was more Marxist than this Marxist. The same happened in Afghanistan, when first there was Taraki, he was killed by Amin, then Amin was killed by Brabak Karbakil with the help of the KGB. The same happened in Bangladesh when Mungi Burackman, very pro-Soviet Leftist, was assassinated by his own Marxist-Leninist military comrades. It’s the same pattern everywhere. The moment they served their purpose, all these useful idiots are either to be executed entirely – all the idealistically minded Marxists – or exiled, or put in prisons, like in Cuba, many former Marxists are in Cuba… I mean in prison.
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The result? The result you can see. Most of the people who graduated in the sixties, dropouts or half-baked intellectuals, are now occupying the positions of power in the government, civil service, business, mass media, educational system. You are stuck with them. You cannot get rid of them. They are contaminated. They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern. You cannot change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still cannot change the basic perception and illogical behavior. In other words, these people, the process of demoralization is complete and irreversible. To get rid society of these people you need another twenty or fifteen years to educate a new generation of patriotically-minded and, and common sense people who would be acting in favor and in the interests of United States society.

Most of them, yes. Simply because the psychological shock when they will see the future, what the beautiful society of equality and social justice means in practice – obviously, they will revolt. They will be very unhappy, frustrated people. And a Marxist-Leninist regime does not tolerate these people. Obviously, they will join the leagues of dissenters, dissidents. Unlike in present United States, there will be no place for dissent in future Marxist-Leninist America. Here you can, you can get popular, like Daniel Ellsberg, and filthy rich, like Jane Fonda, for being dissident, for criticizing your Pentagon. In future these people will be simply squashed like cockroaches. Nobody is going to pay them nothing for their beautiful, noble ideas of equality. This they don’t understand, and it will be greatest shock for them, of course.

Remember this, there are now more openly marxist professors in colleges than conservatives. Not liberal but marxist.
As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore. A person who is demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures. Even if I take him, by force, to the Soviet Union and show him concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it until he is going to receive a kick in his fat bottom. When the military boot crashes his, then he will understand, but not before that. That’s the tragic of the situation of demoralization.
The next stage is destabilization. This time, the subverter does not care about your ideas, and the patterns of your consumption, whether you eat junk food and get fat and flabby. It doesn’t matter anymore. This time, and it only takes from two to five years to destabilize a nation, what matters is essentials: economy, foreign relations, defense systems. And you can see it quite clearly that in some areas, in such sensitive areas as defense and economy, the influence of Marxist-Leninist ideas in the United States is absolutely fantastic. I could never have believed it fourteen years ago when I landed in this part of the world that the process would go that fast.

The role of entitlement:
The next stage of course is crisis. It may take only up to six weeks to bring a country to the verge of crisis. You can see it in Central America now. And after crisis, with a violent change of power, structure, and economy, you have the so-called period of normalization – it may last indefinitely. Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda. When the Soviet tanks moved into Czechoslovakia in ’68, Comrade Brezhnev said, ‘now the situation in brotherly Czechoslovakia is normalized.’ This is what will happen in the United States if you allow all these schmucks to bring the country to crisis, to promise people all kind of goodies and the paradise on Earth, to destabilize your economy, to eliminate the principle of free market competition, and to put a big brother government in Washington, D.C., with benevolent dictators like Walter Mondale who will promise lots of things, never mind whether the promises are fulfilled or not.
Well, the immediate thing that comes to my mind is, of course, there must be a very strong national effort to educate people in the spirit of real patriotism, number one. Number two, to explain [to] them the real danger of socialist, Communist, whatever welfare state, big brother government. If people will fail to grasp the impending danger of their development, nothing ever can help [the] United States. You might kiss goodbye to your freedoms, including freedoms to homosexuals, prison inmates, all this freedom will vanish, evaporate in five seconds, including your precious lives.

The role of the corrupt media:
Part of my job was to manipulate and befriend students of Patrice Lumumba Friendship University. This is a group of such students visiting the Kremlin with me. They don’t look like students, and they were not. Nor were they spies.
They were future agents of disinformation, subversion and terrorism. They were imported to the USSR from Asia, Africa and Latin America, trained at Lumumba Friendship University, then for two years in KGB school, then dispatched back to their countries. And after a short period of time, they become leaders of national liberation movements.
And when they destabilize their own country, they start indiscriminately shooting and killing their own people. And when they do that, beautiful journalists of the United States describe these bandits as “anti-government guerrillas,” “leftist rebels,” right? Some even come forward with such fancy names as “freedom fighters,” or “fighters for majority rule.” Now, when Salvadorans want to fight back against these KGB-trained bandits and assassins and rapists, when Salvadorans shoot back, what does The New York Times call them? “Death squads,” “right-wing death squads.” Now, these are left-wing death squads. You ever heard this name in your media? Why not? Explain to me why not.

The OBJECTIVE (the Soviets were definitely down with open borders and a global society), it was their primary objective:
The main objective of [the] KGB is to turn you from an open society, as I described in this diagram, to a closed one, which is carbon copy of the Soviet communist, or socialist, or fascist society. Why? Why would they bother? Very simple. To merge into one global system. They make no secrets about it. You cannot merge our systems today. They are incompatible. If we merge the U. S. free market capitalism with the state monopoly of the Soviet economy, it will be a great mess. Russians may enjoy it; they will disappear in your liquor stores and K-Marts. But you may not when you wake up tomorrow morning and see a tank in your back yard. I’ll bet you’ll become emotional. Merging, convergence, or interdependent economy, like some of your beautiful Brzezinskis are professing, is IMPOSSIBLE. But it is possible to slowly, in the long stretch of time, turn your country into a carbon copy of my society.

The role of egalitarianism:
How? By infiltrating ideas into your minds. Not agents into your offices. No, KGB cannot infiltrate all the newspapers, all the public schools. Why? Because they will need an army of agents, thousands of them, and if they come to United States, you know what would happen to these agents? They will defect, because even the dumbest communist realizes that your system is the best. It may not be perfect; by no definition is it a perfect society. But it simply is the best. And they will defect. But it is possible, instead of infiltrating bodies into your system, to infiltrate ideas into your minds, and this is how it is being done.
I describe only one idea on this diagram. Not because it is the most dangerous, but because it is the most popular and evident in your ideology today. The idea is called egalitarianism, and it is not new. It goes all the way back to the time of French Revolution. It is simply equality. What’s wrong with equality, you may ask. Everything. Look at yourself. Are you equal in any imaginable way: spiritually, physically, socially, economically, racially, whatever? There is no such thing as equality. There never was.
All through the history of mankind, some people were tall, curly and dumb. Others are short, bald and smart. There are no two individuals which are identical. Every one is unique if we are talking about people. Fish may be equal. Insects, ball bearings, but not people. If we presume that we are created by God, I would think it would be no great deal for Him to make us all equal. No? We are unequal.
And that’s where I come into conflict with your beautiful intellectuals. They say, “Mr. Schuman, you don’t know our Constitution, especially our Declaration of Independence. It says, ‘We, the people, take it as self-evident truth that all men are created equal.’” See how ignorant I am? I don’t know your Constitution. Believe me, I know. I read it at the age of 15, and I was amazed how simple and how beautiful it is. It is the best constitution in the world. First of all, there is no period, there is a comma. Your liberals quote only one line: “We, the people, take it as self-evident truth that all men are created equal.”
Equal only in one respect. It has nothing to do with legislative, social, economic or any other type of equality. It has something to do with equal opportunities for unequal people to come to this land, or are brought here by force sometimes, to enjoy roughly equal opportunities. And above all, you the people are equal in one important respect-- in respect of the undetachable right to stay alive, be free and pursue happiness. And these basic rights are given to you people, the way I understand it, by God.
“So what?” they say. Very much so. Because you cannot reelect God. You cannot take Him down to face cameras and to lie to you about the quality of the distribution of wealth, social programming, social welfare, [and] all these beautiful concepts. Why did leaders throughout the history of mankind [want] people to believe that they are equal? We know we are not. We know we don’t have to be. Why then? Simple (and communists take advantage of this misconception): because it is impossible to control and exploit people as long as they stay unequal.
Then why have poor people always wanted to be equal? Simple. You name me one American who wanted to be equal with someone who has one popsicle less. I think you want always to be equal with someone who has one car more, one bedroom more, 20 cents an hour more. And if you don’t get this 20 cents an hour more, you become very unhappy.
What is the motivation of equality in the minds of poor people then? Greed. This is what happens. And this is the core of ideological manipulation of the masses. The concept of equality, forcefully introducing such ideology creates false expectations which clash with reality and produce unhappiness, frustration.
Discontented people produce less. Lower productivity creates economic instability and social unrest. This leads to radicalism because people become impatient. That leads to power struggles. Power struggles lead to replacement of social, political structure. That replacement is the fastest way to internal upheaval, civil war, or invasion. The result for the last observable 35 years is always the same: closed society. Just the opposite of what we started with. Everything is nationalized, from banks to washrooms. Human beings belong to the state. My right to live and pursue happiness in the USSR is not given by God because God is removed from the school, right? My right to live in Russia is given by the state. The State giveth, and the State taketh away.

Pimping catastrophe:
Sixty-six million of my people lost the right to live. In your country, even the worst criminal who raped five neighbors and killed his babushka [is] still taken to court, and he is politely called a suspect. You see the difference? This is the core of ideological subversion. You go all the way from open to closed society, and later on to a merging. Four stages of subversion-- Demoralization: 20 years, destabilization: 5 years, crisis: one year, “normalization”: forever. On the stage of demoralization, the media plays the most important role. Why? Because it conveys ideas into your mind. If your media presents the picture of socialism this way, this image of your country, which you see every day on television-- crime, child abuse, police brutality, racial discrimination, acid rain, explosion-- this image is not to the advantage of the United States. A child can grow up in America believing that he lives in the worst possible country on earth, whereby the reality is just the opposite: you live in the best possible country.

If you think that I am crazy, please ask Mexicans. Have you ever heard of any smart Mexican sneaking across the border into Cuba, Nicaragua, or the USSR? Boat people never swim to Red China for equality and justice. Black African brothers are not running from South Africa. They run from Zimbabwe, Angola and Mozambique TO South Africa. If you don’t believe me, go there and stay for one hour at the border check.
Your media lies to you. Why? Media is a part of the process of demoralization. They are monopolized today. They are controlled by the same group of people, unelected, super-rich and super-powerful people who trade with murders of my nation in the Kremlin. Interesting isn’t it? With one hand these people send your boys to Vietnam for 12 years. [Who? The media?] With the other hand they send billions of dollars of credit to the Soviet government to build weapons to kill your boys in Vietnam. Imagine, when people make a mistake once and repeat this mistake-- repeats the same mistake three times-- we call him a dangerous idiot. What would you call people in your establishment who repeat the same mistake, aiding your enemy and the enemy of my people in the Kremlin, over and over again for 68 years? Traitors. And they control your media. [Who? Our Congress?] I described it here in this booklet World Thought Police, exactly what your media did for us, for the KGB. One service after another, how to recognize it in your media, and what to do about it.

My opinion: If your side is the side that supports suppressing speech you don't like, you are on the wrong side. If you support attacking the person and not his ideas, you are the wrong side. It is the attacks on people and not their ideas that fundamentally undermine freedom in the West.

http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2009/05/black-is-beautiful-part-four.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalV...he_designed_collapse_of_western_civilization/
 
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I have been thinking about Russian propaganda lately and it made me recall Thomas Schuman, a Soviet propagandist who turned and spilled all the secrets of KGB propaganda. Tomas Schuman worked for the communist equivalent of Orwell’s Ministry of Truth: The Novosti Press Agency . Here are some of his thoughts from speeches in the early 1980s.



Remember this, there are now more openly marxist professors in colleges than conservatives. Not liberal but marxist.
Well, that's a complete lie as it stands, without any attempt to actually defend this ridiculous claim. I'm sure we will all wait patiently until you provide it.

My opinion: If your side is the side that supports suppressing speech you don't like, you are on the wrong side. If you support attacking the person and not his ideas, you are the wrong side. It is the attacks on people and not their ideas that fundamentally undermine freedom in the West.

Agreed. All the more reason that Trump is the exact type of fascist that fascist republicans want: never the ideas, just the people: it's why he has a convenient nickname for someone whenever it is needed. It's why he can pivot on them in an instant, without ever knowing the circumstances of why he is supposed to attack them. Critical of Trump's policy? Well, Trump is going to attack you, and you only. That's it.

If you don't see this truth, then you are the problem.
 
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Viper1j

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Hillary gets charged on Monday.

Iwanker gets charged on Tuesday.

Goose and gander, works for me.

The betting window is open Gentlemen, I'm offering 7 to 5 Hillary walks before Iwanker, excluding pardons for the princess by daddy.
 

Jaskalas

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I'd be comfortable with the outcome if it was the legal standard.

Any fuss over this is a matter of not understanding whether it was and/or will be in the future.
I don't understand your reply.

Errrr, try this correction.

I'd be comfortable with the outcome if that was the legal standard for the mishandling classified info.
Any fuss over this is a matter of not understanding whether letting people off is standard practice and whether or not it will be in the future.
 

dank69

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I have been thinking about Russian propaganda lately and it made me recall Thomas Schuman, a Soviet propagandist who turned and spilled all the secrets of KGB propaganda. Tomas Schuman worked for the communist equivalent of Orwell’s Ministry of Truth: The Novosti Press Agency . Here are some of his thoughts from speeches in the early 1980s.

Their methodology:


Who they targeted:


What happens to them after they have served their purpose:


Remember this, there are now more openly marxist professors in colleges than conservatives. Not liberal but marxist.


The role of entitlement:


The role of the corrupt media:


The OBJECTIVE (the Soviets were definitely down with open borders and a global society), it was their primary objective:


The role of egalitarianism:


Pimping catastrophe:


My opinion: If your side is the side that supports suppressing speech you don't like, you are on the wrong side. If you support attacking the person and not his ideas, you are the wrong side. It is the attacks on people and not their ideas that fundamentally undermine freedom in the West.

http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2009/05/black-is-beautiful-part-four.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalV...he_designed_collapse_of_western_civilization/
Every night before bed I pray that the Marxists won't get me.
 

MooseNSquirrel

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I have been thinking about Russian propaganda lately and it made me recall Thomas Schuman, a Soviet propagandist who turned and spilled all the secrets of KGB propaganda. Tomas Schuman worked for the communist equivalent of Orwell’s Ministry of Truth: The Novosti Press Agency . Here are some of his thoughts from speeches in the early 1980s.

Their methodology:


Who they targeted:


What happens to them after they have served their purpose:


Remember this, there are now more openly marxist professors in colleges than conservatives. Not liberal but marxist.


The role of entitlement:


The role of the corrupt media:


The OBJECTIVE (the Soviets were definitely down with open borders and a global society), it was their primary objective:


The role of egalitarianism:


Pimping catastrophe:


My opinion: If your side is the side that supports suppressing speech you don't like, you are on the wrong side. If you support attacking the person and not his ideas, you are the wrong side. It is the attacks on people and not their ideas that fundamentally undermine freedom in the West.

http://uselessdissident.blogspot.com/2009/05/black-is-beautiful-part-four.html

https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalV...he_designed_collapse_of_western_civilization/
I see red
And it hurts my head
Guess it must be something
That I read

we've got mars on the horizon
says the national midnight star
(it's true)
what you believe is what you are
a pair of dancing shoes --
the soviets are the blues --
 

Jhhnn

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Every night before bed I pray that the Marxists won't get me.

The part he's missing is that things have changed to the point where Trump/GOP & Russian disinformation are basically the same. The Russians aren't Marxists anymore- they're Capitalist nationalist oligarchs whose techniques have merely become more effective.
 

tweaker2

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The part he's missing is that things have changed to the point where Trump/GOP & Russian disinformation are basically the same. The Russians aren't Marxists anymore- they're Capitalist nationalist oligarchs whose techniques have merely become more effective.

I'm still wondering if Trump's supporters can differentiate between when Trump is lying, when (if ever) he's telling the truth and when it should or shouldn't matter to them or if they even care.

Obviously, he's not being held accountable for the daily trips into fantasy land that he takes the nation through either by his supporters or those meathead Repubs in Congress that's supposed to keep Trump from making an ass of himself and the party he represents. I can't fathom how they can stand having Trump make all of them look like the nonsensical scatter brained racists that Trump fashions himself to be.

And what of the utter silence coming from the Fundamentalists and Evangelicals about Trump's undeniable ungodly words and deeds, his total lack of common decency and his being so morally bankrupt that he would never be able to repay what he owes to mankind in that regard? Would they have given Obama the same consideration if he were to behave as Trump does?

All that for the "feels" and the glow they got from "winning". It's about the only thing their megalomaniacal leader has given them.
 

Jhhnn

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It's almost 2019 and we're still buttering her mails? Seriously?

Of course. "Crooked Hillary!" remains one of the most successful Russian disinformation campaigns ever foisted off on a target population. That's how they meddled in the election.

Who knew Putin was all about the MAGA, huh?