Hillary Clinton exclusively used personal emails at st dpt

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thraashman

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Come on guys, let's be logical here. It's all about convenience. Honestly, which would you rather do?

1) Carry an additional blackberry around.

or

2) -Register new domain
- Self administer (unlikely) / Hire outside admin for new email server.
- Maintain said server, potentially at your home residence.
- Ensure that every email you ever send is cc:'d to gov't employee for retention purposes.
- Ensure that every email ever sent / received does not contain classified info.
- Retain records of all email, and then not turn over to State until asked.
- Sort through 60k emails to determine what's appropriate to turn over (at your discretion).
- Print out 50k+ pages of email and ship them over to the government.

Oof. That might be the most scorching post in this thread.

But to be fair, nothing in number 2 was something Hillary herself had to do. The problems of the 1%, I don't want to carry around a second phone so I'm going to make a bunch of other people go through a crap ton of effort.
 

LightPattern

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On a tech forum, you'd think that most people realize that THE ONLY reason to keep a private email server, on the premise of your house, is to have full physical and legal control over the document retention. Otherwise you'd just use gmail or any/other provider.

LEOs can subpoena companies like google for your emails, but to get it from a computer at your house they'd need a search warrant.
Her saying that she did it for convenience sake, or out of laziness is a LIE.
There was a lot of work put into it, for exactly the reasons you've laid out.


Come on guys, let's be logical here. It's all about convenience. Honestly, which would you rather do?

1) Carry an additional blackberry around.

or

2) -Register new domain
- Self administer (unlikely) / Hire outside admin for new email server.
- Maintain said server, potentially at your home residence.
- Ensure that every email you ever send is cc:'d to gov't employee for retention purposes.
- Ensure that every email ever sent / received does not contain classified info.
- Retain records of all email, and then not turn over to State until asked.
- Sort through 60k emails to determine what's appropriate to turn over (at your discretion).
- Print out 50k+ pages of email and ship them over to the government.

Exactly. And it's not like she didn't have other alternatives to carrying around 2 devices for e-mail.
You can use multiple addresses, inside a single mail program, let alone needing a separate device for each address! Or use 2 apps, so that each has a distinct icon.

I can understand wanting MORE differentiation when one of the addresses would be for official US government business and the other for private use. She did the opposite.
 

dali71

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Exactly. And it's not like she didn't have other alternatives to carrying around 2 devices for e-mail.

Isn't that what Huma Abedin was there for? I was under the impression that one of the jobs of the body man (or woman) is to carry the boss' cell phones and other important items.
 

rudeguy

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Isn't that what Huma Abedin was there for? I was under the impression that one of the jobs of the body man (or woman) is to carry the boss' cell phones and other important items.

There is a video of her assistant handing her her cell phone when something important happened.

God forbid these people have to actually carry their own phone!
 

cabri

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And why print out the "sanitized" emails instead of just providing electronically.

Now they would have to be scanned in via OCR is anyone wanted to search through them.

Creates an inconvenience for researchers.

She got caught and is being a PITA as a result because she is being questioned
 

werepossum

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Both those things could be true. Hillary sends an email to Bill. An aid reads it and tells Bill "Hillary says you better not have any floozies at our house, I'll be there this weekend." Bill tells the aid "Send a reply saying 'ha ha love you'. Then send the Bimbo squad to kick them out and sanitize the house, code phrase 'flying monkeys'. And find me somewhere I have to be this weekend."

Trust but verify. Generally that's how to operate with government. With government trust is built on transparency, not in spite of it.

Fairly easy lynch-pin undoing Clinton and her lies here are her reliance on a lack of transparency. The lynchpin is she hid emails, all her talk after this fact are lies crafted for distraction in press and for consumption by goober political hacks.

After her most recent press where she ran the continued lie about "convenience",... it's a bit shameless, but smart folks think going with that line of lies was best. The corruption of language used by politicians is endless.

Folks don't understand technology and similar line of thinking worked with the lies used in the Lois Lerner email scandal.

Reasons for lying? Basic, most folks lie to cover up some information or otherwise mislead people. There can be good reasons for it, but with government it leads to Iraq and general pain and suffering of innocents.

In Clinton's case this is being done to cover up something (information).


It will work. It already has. Exposing the lies now or later is totally irrevalant to the fact that information will remain hidden no matter what.

No.
Matter.
What.

Did she turn over the server immediately? Has she turned over all emails? No of course not. The goal is not to be transparent, it's to pretend to be while in reality hiding information. Bit of a mind fuck for some, most of us don't lie or expect to be lied to with such ease and confidence as we see from politicians and government in general.

The entire point of her using email that couldn't be archived or traced in full (most important point of the whole thing), was to avoid transparency. The idea about convenience being the reason,... well somewhat clever because it can be argued and is believable.

But always important to remember with politicians,... their first rule.

Tell people what they want to hear. Never tell them the truth.


This how the game is played. One set of rules for you and I, another for the entitled leaders. This setup is implemented to protect those in power from responsibility in their actions/failures. Clinton has lots of company here.

Most impressive thing in this scandal so far is the transparency with which:
1) Clinton is obviously hiding information
2) Everything is done to allow for the information to remain hidden (consistency here should be watched and valued)
3) Obvious lies to distract simple minded people

Similar to what happened with the Lois Lerner scandal. There again it was all about hiding information, and there again it worked. The distractions are not that great in either case, but the beginning and end of these are the desire to and ability for hiding information by those in privileged positions of power.


There is equality in truth. That's the saddest arbiter of our time.
Exactly right. I only have a problem with the part where we pretend this isn't customary practice among the powerful elite.

On a tech forum, you'd think that most people realize that THE ONLY reason to keep a private email server, on the premise of your house, is to have full physical and legal control over the document retention. Otherwise you'd just use gmail or any/other provider.

LEOs can subpoena companies like google for your emails, but to get it from a computer at your house they'd need a search warrant.
Yep. Not to mention State is well known for being leaky, so controlling her email server gives her two ways to avoid potential embarrassment.
 

boomerang

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The AP just filed suit with the State Department regarding FOIA requests from as far back as five years ago. Yes, the emails during her tenure as SOS are part of what they want.

Trey Gowdy is on record as saying he wants the Clinton server. Well, he's definitely doing his due diligence but he and anyone with half a brain already knows what he'll get after the Clintons drag this out for four, five years. A whole lot of nothing. He could have it in his possession tomorrow and he'd have a whole lot of nothing.

Anyway, on to pay to play and how that intersects with the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation. There's probably a bigger story of skirting around the fringes of the law there. One thing is for certain, somebody has declared war on Hillary Clinton.

Will she run?
 

QuantumPion

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The "as long as you are a Democrat" is implied. Then it's just partisan.

Yeah imagine if Bush was receiving millions of dollars from Israel towards his "personal charitable organization". Libs would be going fucking ape shit.
 

rudeguy

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The AP just filed suit with the State Department regarding FOIA requests from as far back as five years ago. Yes, the emails during her tenure as SOS are part of what they want.

Trey Gowdy is on record as saying he wants the Clinton server. Well, he's definitely doing his due diligence but he and anyone with half a brain already knows what he'll get after the Clintons drag this out for four, five years. A whole lot of nothing. He could have it in his possession tomorrow and he'd have a whole lot of nothing.

Anyway, on to pay to play and how that intersects with the Bill, Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation. There's probably a bigger story of skirting around the fringes of the law there. One thing is for certain, somebody has declared war on Hillary Clinton.

Will she run?

She brought this on herself. If you lie, deceive and conceal, you can't blame "someone out to get you" when you get caught.

The fact is she could end this all today, right now. Just turn over the server. If she didn't want personal emails read, she shouldn't have sent personal and work email from the same account.
 

werepossum

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Yeah imagine if Bush was receiving millions of dollars from Israel towards his "personal charitable organization". Libs would be going fucking ape shit.
Yep. But I'd bet Bush did get millions from Israel for his personal foundations, just not while in office. Politicians are generally smart enough to not solicit until afterward.
 

boomerang

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She brought this on herself. If you lie, deceive and conceal, you can't blame "someone out to get you" when you get caught.

The fact is she could end this all today, right now. Just turn over the server. If she didn't want personal emails read, she shouldn't have sent personal and work email from the same account.
As to your first point remember that it was the NYT that broke the story. Yes, her actions have put her in this situation but Republicans knew for many, many months about this and did nothing. Somebody high up in the hierarchy of the left put this in motion.

As to your second point, I'd bet my left nut that server is wiped already. The storage medium in place when she was Secretary will never be found. Plausible deniability will cover that. She printed out the emails she wanted people to see and the rest are poofed into never never land. Destroy the hard drive, make it disappear and there won't be any means of recovering anything.

500 years from now it will be discovered at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Edit: Unless there's something on it they can use against somebody else. In that case it will turn up when needed just like the Rose Law Firm records did.
 
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bshole

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As to your second point, I'd bet my left nut that server is wiped already. The storage medium in place when she was Secretary will never be found. Plausible deniability will cover that. She printed out the emails she wanted people to see and the rest are poofed into never never land. Destroy the hard drive, make it disappear and there won't be any means of recovering anything.

I highly doubt that. If it was on a server, it will be found... those servers are always backed up to tape. Very very easy to recover.
 

rudeguy

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I highly doubt that. If it was on a server, it will be found... those servers are always backed up to tape. Very very easy to recover.

A home server is always backed up to tape?

What exactly is it you do again?
 

boomerang

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I highly doubt that. If it was on a server, it will be found... those servers are always backed up to tape. Very very easy to recover.
You haven't been paying attention to the background behind this. The server is reported to have been in their residence in Chappaqua NY. It was a private server. If it was backed up it was backed up 'privately'. Those backups are long gone too.

The Clinton clan are not ignorant dummies.
 

bshole

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A home server is always backed up to tape?

What exactly is it you do again?

Oh Imma sure a sitting Secretary of State would do all her work on a server that was not backed up on a tape. Think logical man. On what planet does that make a lick of sense? Good gawd, I am a peon in a small company and EVERYTHING I have ever done is backed up on tape going back a decade and a half.

Mark my words, it is all recoverable. You are jumping the gun.
 
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rudeguy

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Oh Imma sure a sitting Secretary of State would do all her work on a server that was not backed up on a tape. Think logical man. On what planet does that make a lick of sense? Good gawd, I am a peon in a small company and EVERYTHING I have ever done is backed up on tape going back a decade and a half.

Mark my words, it is all recoverable. You are jumping the gun.

Your words were that "those servers are always backed up to tape". It was a server running in her damn basement. I'm very curious to know how you know it was backed up, let alone how it was backed up to tape.

You are a moron. Every post you post here makes everyone who reads it just a little bit dumber.
 

cabri

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You haven't been paying attention to the background behind this. The server is reported to have been in their residence in Chappaqua NY. It was a private server. If it was backed up it was backed up 'privately'. Those backups are long gone too.

The Clinton clan are not ignorant dummies.

What backups?

IRS generated lessons learned for them on what to do :p


She will never turn over the complete unit with "everything" on it because of personal items that should be be made available to the committee and/or media.

If forced; the disks will somehow get damaged by a third party in preparation, transit or investigation
 

werepossum

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I highly doubt that. If it was on a server, it will be found... those servers are always backed up to tape. Very very easy to recover.
You really think that Hillary didn't learn from the IRS case? The backups will have been physically destroyed long before now. Ditto the original hard drives. All that will remain is what she wants to remain, the sanitized version.
 

LightPattern

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As to your first point remember that it was the NYT that broke the story. Yes, her actions have put her in this situation but Republicans knew for many, many months about this and did nothing. Somebody high up in the hierarchy of the left put this in motion.

As to your second point, I'd bet my left nut that server is wiped already. The storage medium in place when she was Secretary will never be found. Plausible deniability will cover that. She printed out the emails she wanted people to see and the rest are poofed into never never land. Destroy the hard drive, make it disappear and there won't be any means of recovering anything.

500 years from now it will be discovered at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. Edit: Unless there's something on it they can use against somebody else. In that case it will turn up when needed just like the Rose Law Firm records did.

I had never bothered to look into the Rose Law Firm case before. That certainly provides important context that is very plain to see.

I think most people find Frontline to be a credible source.
The FBI conducted fingerprint analysis of the records. Of significance, the prints of Vince Foster and Hillary Clinton were found.
The Senate Whitewater Committee concluded that Hillary Clinton was the person most likely to have put the billing records in her book room, or know how they got there.
For her part, Hillary Clinton has said that she has no idea how the billing records came to be in her room.

Thank you for helping educate the next generation. :)
 

sportage

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By the way...
Still waiting for republican committee investigations into GW, Cheney, Rice and their totally missing the boat before the 911 attack.
And I'd love to see those Bush administration emails.
Hell with some old made up scandal over Hillary emails and Benghazi.
I'm still waiting for the republicans to find ""THE REAL KILLERS"", as OJ so elegantly put it.
But then again, don't hold your breath.
And at this point, considering, even if Hillary was concerned about her emails, i think she should delete them all just to piss off the republicans.
I would.