Hillary Clinton exclusively used personal emails at st dpt

[Bowfinger]

I posted yet another of her lies earlier. She said she made that email so she could have one device, then stated she carried multiple devices. She said she made the email for convenience, which is a total lie. There is no way having that email made anything more convenient. ...

I thought you said lying is wrong. You just posted two lies above. First, Clinton only had one device, a Blackberry, when she was SOS. She only recently got the iPhone as a gift, long after she stepped down.

Second, it is completely dishonest to insist multiple devices are more convenient than a single device at all, let alone a "total lie." Every person on my staff has the option of carrying a single device covering both personal and business use, or two separate devices. Only one person has opted to carry two devices, and that's mostly due to inertia. For the vast majority of people, a single device is much more convenient. There are other, legitimate reasons to challenge the Clinton's' use of their own email, but claiming convenience is a "total lie" is in itself a total lie.

 

[Bowfinger]

bshole has said many times that he welcomes lying "for the greater good". I've always taken a firm stance that lying is wrong. Period.

Now if you would care to make up some other things, go ahead. The trolley car to The Land of Make Believe is leaving soon.

Yet you continue to embrace nutter innuendo and speculation as fact. You're on that trolley car, whether you can acknowledge it or not.

 

[rudeguy]

I thought you said lying is wrong. You just posted two lies above. First, Clinton only had one device, a Blackberry, when she was SOS. She only recently got the iPhone as a gift, long after she stepped down.

Second, it is completely dishonest to insist multiple devices are more convenient than a single device at all, let alone a "total lie." Every person on my staff has the option of carrying a single device covering both personal and business use, or two separate devices. Only one person has opted to carry two devices, and that's mostly due to inertia. For the vast majority of people, a single device is much more convenient. There are other, legitimate reasons to challenge the Clinton's' use of their own email, but claiming convenience is a "total lie" is in itself a total lie.

I said having the personal email was in no way convenient. Don't twist my words. Even if she did have to carry 2 cell phones, it would not have been any less convenient for her. Remember...she didn't physically carry her phone. She had people to do that.

 

[rudeguy]

Yet you continue to embrace nutter innuendo and speculation as fact. You're on that trolley car, whether you can acknowledge it or not.

What innuendo and speculation is that?

That she is a proven liar? That she conceals evidence? Those are all facts. Not innuendo.

 

[QuantumPion]

What innuendo and speculation is that?

That she is a proven liar? That she conceals evidence? Those are all facts. Not innuendo.

Don't you get it - there's no evidence she did anything illegal therefore there is no evidence to conceal! Isn't Doublethink awesome!

 

[rudeguy]

Don't you get it - there's no evidence she did anything illegal therefore there is no evidence to conceal! Isn't Doublethink awesome!

I always laugh when you try to get these guys to give a real answer. Its always deflection, never answer a question directly.

But I guess they are still holding on tight to their Hope and Change.

 

[bshole]

The problem is she deliberately sidestepped the rules/guidelines.
1. Why - what did her system allow that the .gov system did not?
1a. She did not want the .gov system because it was not under her control.
2. Only her staff is doing the filtering - which means that we are only getting what she wants to be seen - See #1a
3. There were large time gaps in what she had originally provided to Congress. she knew that not all info was being provided and kept quiet.
See #1a

Meh..... if you remember the last time the Clintons were forthcoming (during Bill's term), the Republicans started by investigating a land deal, years later that investigation had morphed into a search for interns' dresses. Basically if you cooperate with these bullies, they will bite your nuts off. That is a lesson she has learned from hard hard experience.

On the other hand, if we look at the Bush presidency, they committed felony and treason right out in the open in pimping the Iraq war. That was a case that screamed for a criminal investigation and prosecution. The farcical witchhunt of Clinton is laughable when put into the context of the blood drenched criminality that was the Iraq con.

 

[werepossum]

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Either she did not sign the OF-109 - which is required or if she did; she did not compile which is a felony.

How would one ever prove that when she and only she has physical custody of the server? Even if one manages to find an email she hasn't turned over, she'd just shrug and say "oh, must have missed that one." Remember, the Clintons were investigated like no first family in history, yet every time they'd get caught in a lie they'd simply amend their tax files from years past (three times in eight years if memory serves) and it's no harm, no foul. Abuse and lawbreaking has to be very blatant for someone at her level of power to be held accountable.

I posted yet another of her lies earlier. She said she made that email so she could have one device, then stated she carried multiple devices. She said she made the email for convenience, which is a total lie. There is no way having that email made anything more convenient.

I don't know if she should go to jail for this. If she deleted anything government related, including emails from foreigners regarding donations, then she should for sure go to jail.

Of course it's more convenient. By hosting her own server, the official record is anything she deems it to be. Can't get any more convenient than the ability to retroactively reshape history.

Meh..... if you remember the last time the Clintons were forthcoming (during Bill's term), the Republicans started by investigating a land deal, years later that investigation had morphed into a search for interns' dresses. Basically if you cooperate with these bullies, they will bite your nuts off. That is a lesson she has learned from hard hard experience.

On the other hand, if we look at the Bush presidency, they committed felony and treason right out in the open in pimping the Iraq war. That was a case that screamed for a criminal investigation and prosecution. The farcical witchhunt of Clinton is laughable when put into the context of the blood drenched criminality that was the Iraq con.

Forthcoming?

I am amazed that lightning didn't strike you for typing that.

 

[rudeguy]

How would one ever prove that when she and only she has physical custody of the server? Even if one manages to find an email she hasn't turned over, she'd just shrug and say "oh, must have missed that one." Remember, the Clintons were investigated like no first family in history, yet every time they'd get caught in a lie they'd simply amend their tax files from years past (three times in eight years if memory serves) and it's no harm, no foul. Abuse and lawbreaking has to be very blatant for someone at her level of power to be held accountable.


Of course it's more convenient. By hosting her own server, the official record is anything she deems it to be. Can't get any more convenient than the ability to retroactively reshape history.


Forthcoming?

I am amazed that lightning didn't strike you for typing that.

Once again: bshole thinks lying is ok as long as it furthers your agenda.

 

[Bowfinger]

I said having the personal email was in no way convenient. Don't twist my words. Even if she did have to carry 2 cell phones, it would not have been any less convenient for her. Remember...she didn't physically carry her phone. She had people to do that.

First, I note that you simply ignored your first deception, that Clinton lied when she said she had only one device. False. Thank you for again demonstrating my point.

Second, no matter how much you want to backpedal and revise history, having a single email account on a single device is more convenient. To argue otherwise is ridiculous. I agree it's a poor solution from a business and security standpoint, but it was undeniably more convenient for her. Your claim that this was a "total lie" remains a total lie. You prove my point yet again.

 

[theeedude]

Burden of proof is on those accusing Hillary, not the other way around. At least in America it is, not sure about dumbfvckistan.

 

[Bowfinger]

Don't you get it - there's no evidence she did anything illegal therefore there is no evidence to conceal! Isn't Doublethink awesome!

Yet another example of wing-nuts embracing innuendo and speculation as fact. "We don't have the actual evidence, but that just proves she's guilty." (Paraphrased, of course.). You guys seem pathologically incapable of differentiating between the two.

 

[TheSlamma]

Burden of proof is on those accusing Hillary, not the other way around. At least in America it is, not sure about dumbfvckistan.

Actually the Open Records Act or Freedom of Information Act whatever you want to call it falls on the government to prove they have provided all documents.

She knew better, I hope this costs her the primary and the Dems find someone else to put up for presidency. We don't need "dynasties" in the oval office anymore anyway.

 

[Attic]

Don't you get it - there's no evidence she did anything illegal therefore there is no evidence to conceal! Isn't Doublethink awesome!

Doublethink is the best way to wrap what Hilary is doing here. Alteration of everday thought and language. This way she can conceal while everyone is manipulated into believing she was just trying to be "convenient", if we simply blurr the lines here enough then what's the difference any way?.... yep,... what does it really matter afterall?

Well it doesn't matter if you buy into the perverted thinking Clinton has to employ to get away with these stunts. That's the rub with our 2 party system, it forces perversion of thinking by those loyal to either party.

Her use of "convenience" is a prime example of the corruption of language and thinking often associated with doublethink. She knows what "convenience" means to all of us, and then uses her own definition of "convenience" when saying the word in pressors with the full knowledge of how it will be understood by the masses. Was her motive here convenience?, does it even matter if it was more convenient for Hilary? Is that what this was all about, "convenience"? She can lie without lying if we are forced to believe that concealing for convenience sake is ok.

Sorry, it's not, obviously.

But for Hilary and the team the goal is to re-term conceal to convenience and then use "convenience" as an authentic defense for what was at the root of the matter concealing information. Fortunately we are not at a state in the country yet where questioning her words here will get you thrown in jail, but giver her kind time and it will. That is where ultimate power lies, and that's what she wants if she's doing things like this and then trying to defend it under such shameless excuses as "convenience".


Convenience means to make things simpler. To Clinton it now means to "conceal", which is again the reason you set up private personal server, as this is not done for convenience sake. It is not that convenient to skip around established rules for communications as a government official. Less we think she never got any look-up for what she was doing here while she was doing it.


Interesting to watch the standard fare of wagons circling.,.. err pathetic.

 

[bshole]

Remember, the Clintons were investigated like no first family in history.

Yep and NO convictions! They were as clean then as they are now. Nothing has really changed since then.

C'mon Were, you just gots to be my wingman on this one! Lets tear Rude a logical new asshole.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Looks like some White Hats have already hacked her server, but didn't attempt to obtain files.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/12/hackers-probing-clinton-server-cite-security-lapses/

 

[Bowfinger]

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^ Another perfect example of my point. Devoid of fact, but full of assertions.

 

[Attic]

^ Another perfect example of my point. Devoid of fact, but full of assertions.

This is the problem with a high ranking government official running a private server for emails. Again, we know this is done to conceal information. While we can all logically assert she was concealing, because that what she did, that is the end of it because the information remains concealed.

The basis for proof is removed and then the standard of proof is imposed.

I have seen that strategy imposed by everyone from my 3 year old to high ranking folks of all types. It's much more dangerous when done by folks in positions of power and they are generally very good at covering their bases (due to experience IMO). This is not just a Hilary or partisan thing at all, it's just interesting to evaluate here on the given stage.

Granted, it's a winning strategy. Still illegal to do what she did, but laws are unequally applied in our country and Hilary knows where she rolls on that equation.



It's not that hard to figure out why this setup is very bad practice and likely not used for convenience sake by any ruling authority who claims to be moral and or just. It's an abuse of power, that's bad for most of us and very good for few of us. Against government, particularly in today's environment, transparency is one of our few peaceful defenses.

 

[werepossum]

First, I note that you simply ignored your first deception, that Clinton lied when she said she had only one device. False. Thank you for again demonstrating my point.

Second, no matter how much you want to backpedal and revise history, having a single email account on a single device is more convenient. To argue otherwise is ridiculous. I agree it's a poor solution from a business and security standpoint, but it was undeniably more convenient for her. Your claim that this was a "total lie" remains a total lie. You prove my point yet again.

You can't possibly assert that setting up and running one's own server is more convenient than using State's. Every single government employee also has private email on their government account. Only the ability to control access to the emails would make this at all worthwhile. Everyone knows this.

Yep and NO convictions! They were as clean then as they are now. Nothing has really changed since then.

C'mon Were, you just gots to be my wingman on this one! Lets tear Rude a logical new asshole.

Dude, no way am I climbing into bed with the Clintons on this or any other issue. They are extremely dirty, starting all the way back with Whitewater when Hilary certified her good friend Susan McDougal (whose husband owned a bank!) as indigent so that she qualified for a $300,000 federal loan. Taxpayers repaid that loan and tens of millions mysteriously missing (along with virtually all the records) from the McDougals' bank. Far as I'm concerned she's gotten her fair share and more at the public trough and needs to be kept as far from power as possible.

Looks like some White Hats have already hacked her server, but didn't attempt to obtain files.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/12/hackers-probing-clinton-server-cite-security-lapses/

I would not be at all surprised to learn that all her emails are out there, already hacked.

 

[boomerang]

Burden of proof is on those accusing Hillary, not the other way around. At least in America it is, not sure about dumbfvckistan.

You don't get it do you. This is coming from within the Democrat camp. It will never get to the stage of requiring proof, she will not run and it will all just go away.

But the party needs the Clinton's because they know that nobody can raise money like they can and they need their backing for a Warren run. And they're going to need a shit-ton of money because Warren as she stands is unelectable. She's about two steps down from Bernie Sanders. She's going to need a ton of grooming to make her palatable enough to win a Presidency.

Here's what's going on behind the scenes right now. The party knows where all the Clinton skeletons are buried and they've shown us they are willing to unearth them. But the party needs Clinton money. Knowing she's not going to be allowed to run, Hillary and Bill are interested in saving face, still having a high degree of control over the party and are trying to secure a future for Chelsea who has no marketable skills whatsoever and appears to have no political ambitions to top it off. The party can offer them all of that for a price. There is some really high stakes shit going on right now but the party is going to win.

I've said this twice before in the thread. The only way to secure the Obama legacy is with an individual in the White House who can not just continue his practices but intensify them. That's Warren not Hillary. Plus, the Obama's and the Clinton's hate each other, Obama's ego isn't going to synch well with an endorsement of Hillary. Valerie Jarrett made Obama and she's not going to let Hillary undo all that work. She wants a Democrat President who will spend the next four years praising Obama. The golden ring is within their grasp, the closest they've gotten in a hundred years and they sure as shit aren't going to allow Hillary to fuck it up.

We're going to hear from Hillary by the latest next week that she won't be running. The rigors of the campaign, health issues, time with her grandchild, all of the above or more will be the reasons. Warren will get the nod from the Clinton camp and the race will be off.

 

[TheSlamma]

It is flat out amazing the things people overlook so their (D) or their (R) will get elected.

You people need to get out of this rut and start looking for Indy's and stop with the "lesser of the 2 evils" crap. Can we finally get this bitch better or does it need to get to the point of implosion before you clowns will do anything?

 

[Bowfinger]

You can't possibly assert that setting up and running one's own server is more convenient than using State's. Every single government employee also has private email on their government account. Only the ability to control access to the emails would make this at all worthwhile. Everyone knows this. ....

Perhaps, if Hillary Clinton had to set up the server herself. Clearly, she did not. She told someone what she wanted and it was done. Very convenient for her. But it was even easier than that, because they already had the server. It was set up for Bill Clinton originally, ready and waiting for Hillary. All she needed was an additional domain name and she was good to go.

What "everyone knows" is mostly innuendo and speculation. This remains my point. I said in my very first post that Clinton's private email was inappropriate. My issue is that just as with past "scandals," the right-wing propagandists and their army of rubes aren't satisfied with attacking Clinton with facts. They have to embellish, to turn a small scandal into a MAJOR!!! SCANDAL!! By doing so, they undermine the legitimate issues until a serious investigation becomes impossible (and they make themselves look like partisan fools).

 

[theeedude]

You don't get it do you. This is coming from within the Democrat camp. It will never get to the stage of requiring proof, she will not run and it will all just go away.

But the party needs the Clinton's because they know that nobody can raise money like they can and they need their backing for a Warren run. And they're going to need a shit-ton of money because Warren as she stands is unelectable. She's about two steps down from Bernie Sanders. She's going to need a ton of grooming to make her palatable enough to win a Presidency.

Here's what's going on behind the scenes right now. The party knows where all the Clinton skeletons are buried and they've shown us they are willing to unearth them. But the party needs Clinton money. Knowing she's not going to be allowed to run, Hillary and Bill are interested in saving face, still having a high degree of control over the party and are trying to secure a future for Chelsea who has no marketable skills whatsoever and appears to have no political ambitions to top it off. The party can offer them all of that for a price. There is some really high stakes shit going on right now but the party is going to win.

I've said this twice before in the thread. The only way to secure the Obama legacy is with an individual in the White House who can not just continue his practices but intensify them. That's Warren not Hillary. Plus, the Obama's and the Clinton's hate each other, Obama's ego isn't going to synch well with an endorsement of Hillary. Valerie Jarrett made Obama and she's not going to let Hillary undo all that work. She wants a Democrat President who will spend the next four years praising Obama. The golden ring is within their grasp, the closest they've gotten in a hundred years and they sure as shit aren't going to allow Hillary to fuck it up.

We're going to hear from Hillary by the latest next week that she won't be running. The rigors of the campaign, health issues, time with her grandchild, all of the above or more will be the reasons. Warren will get the nod from the Clinton camp and the race will be off.

Burden of proof is on the accuser, in America.

 

[Matt1970]

Burden of proof is on the accuser, in America.

Except wrongdoing has already been proven.

 

[soundforbjt]

Except wrongdoing has already been proven.

Law was broken? link?