Hillary Clinton exclusively used personal emails at st dpt

[Attic]

I highly doubt that. If it was on a server, it will be found... those servers are always backed up to tape. Very very easy to recover.

I'm unclear on where the discrepancy on Hilary's intent here is, if any, amongst those of us following the ordeal.

A private server is not setup and run in order to allow for transparency, nor convenience. It is setup in order to conceal information. Hilary can't admit to that of course, but for her the winning move was concealing and she won that game already.

When you have the Royal Flush you don't muck just because someone is betting heavily into you and staring you down. There is a reason Hilary is confident here, only the emails she wants releaseed, will ever be released. This is why government officials are not suppose to do what Hilary did. But Hilary won, it's over, everything else is party favors and goodbye's following the event.


So following that and to the point of backups.

Whether backups were made or not (i'd agree, likely they were made) the critical factor is not whether they were made or not, it is that they would remain in Hilary's control and under her sole discretion. No matter how the server was backed up,.. the same priority would apply,... those back ups would remain as concealed as necessary.


Reason's for the exposure of Hilary's poor side at this time? IDK, Hilary is a pretty lousy person, she's incredibly corrupt and out of touch, perhaps having her go far in an election was too risky. Kind of like detonating a grenade from a safe distance. Likely Dem sponsered IMO.


Despite Warren's overt political nature (deception and corruption of language), she appears to be running towards goals that the country can get behind. We know the female thing is going to be ok thanks to Hilary. The repubs are so up shit creek for the next election I think whoever Dems drag out is going to be pretty easy to steer to victory. Maybe Hilary was just wrong.

 

[werepossum]

I'm unclear on where the discrepancy on Hilary's intent here is, if any, amongst those of us following the ordeal.

A private server is not setup and run in order to allow for transparency, nor convenience. It is setup in order to conceal information. Hilary can't admit to that of course, but for her the winning move was concealing and she won that game already.

When you have the Royal Flush you don't muck just because someone is betting heavily into you and staring you down. There is a reason Hilary is confident here, only the emails she wants releaseed, will ever be released. This is why government officials are not suppose to do what Hilary did. But Hilary won, it's over, everything else is party favors and goodbye's following the event.


So following that and to the point of backups.

Whether backups were made or not (i'd agree, likely they were made) the critical factor is not whether they were made or not, it is that they would remain in Hilary's control and under her sole discretion. No matter how the server was backed up,.. the same priority would apply,... those back ups would remain as concealed as necessary.


Reason's for the exposure of Hilary's poor side at this time? IDK, Hilary is a pretty lousy person, she's incredibly corrupt and out of touch, perhaps having her go far in an election was too risky. Kind of like detonating a grenade from a safe distance. Likely Dem sponsered IMO.

Probably. In any case, I'd rather have Fauxcahontas anyway. I actually like some of the legislation she's introduced, and I can't say that about many Senators.

No way this keeps the Hildabeast in the cave though. As a scandal, it just isn't far enough above what they all do. If it were breaking right as we started primary voting, maybe, but there's plenty of time for her supporters to adapt to this.

 

[theeedude]

I'll vote for whoever the Democrats nominate, they are all better than the dysfunctional Republicans, but a true progressive like Warren would be nice.

 

[Attic]

Probably. In any case, I'd rather have Fauxcahontas anyway. I actually like some of the legislation she's introduced, and I can't say that about many Senators.

No way this keeps the Hildabeast in the cave though. As a scandal, it just isn't far enough above what they all do. If it were breaking right as we started primary voting, maybe, but there's plenty of time for her supporters to adapt to this.

True, and perhaps this came out now so Hilary could tackle it early on.

I'll vote for whoever the Democrats nominate, they are all better than the dysfunctional Republicans, but a true progressive like Warren would be nice.

I like Warren, but she is wrong about the Fed Audit bill. Increasing transparency will *not* infringe on the Fed's independence, obviously. It will allow for independence and accountability and frankly reckoning by the American people over an entity that has loomed over their financial freedoms. Warren is playing politics and using corruption of language to keep a alive a corrupt status quo of the Fed bailing out Wall Street and US.Gov on the backs of poor and middle class. It's her biggest weakness, because she's smart enough that she knows better and if she can't tackle the biggest forms of corruption or be honest about it she's not going to change much more than the color and contour of the mask on the current rascal in presidential office. She's pretty close to being a basic pretender or a typical ivory tower elitist like everyone else in politics these days.

She's also wrong on student loans, she's pushing on a string with her ideas and concepts there. Tuition needs to come down, not interest rates. Both Warren and Obama are stuck on driving tuition costs through the roof and then playing cutesy with the mess it leaves students.

But yea, for now, Warren >>>>> everything else.

She does strike me as someone will talk tough to get something she wants and then bow down to the current corrupt status quo (particularly Wall Streets influence).

 

[bshole]

You really think that Hillary didn't learn from the IRS case? The backups will have been physically destroyed long before now. Ditto the original hard drives. All that will remain is what she wants to remain, the sanitized version.

Were, her personal email is intermingled with her official email. Is her personal email fair game for her political enemies? If not, who gets to decide what is personal and what is official?

I am not aware of any wrong-doing by Hillary while in office. This is just a fishing expedition to find dirt. If there was a particular crime she was accused of I would be more supportive of your position. Given the amount of shit she went through while Bill was in office, I'm cutting her some slack on this one. That was one of the nastiest partisan witch hunts in modern history.

All of this isn't to say I want her to become president, I don't.

 

[rudeguy]

Were, her personal email is intermingled with her official email. Is her personal email fair game for her political enemies? If not, who gets to decide what is personal and what is official?

I am not aware of any wrong-doing by Hillary while in office. This is just a fishing expedition to find dirt. If there was a particular crime she was accused of I would be more supportive of your position. Given the amount a shit she went through while Bill was in office, I'm cutting her some slack on this one. That was one of the nastiest partisan witch hunts in modern history.

All of this isn't to say I want her to become president, I don't.

Except that like you, she can't stop lying:

"Looking back, it would have been better for me to use two separate phones and two separate e-mail accounts," Clinton said at a news conference following a speech at a U.N. conference on women's economic status. "I thought using one (mobile) device would be simpler. Obviously, it hasn't worked out that way."

“iPhone. OK, in full disclosure, and a BlackBerry,” Clinton said, adding: “I’m like two steps short of a hoarder. So I have an iPad, a mini iPad, an iPhone and a BlackBerry.”

 

[Attic]

Were, her personal email is intermingled with her official email. Is her personal email fair game for her political enemies? If not, who gets to decide what is personal and what is official?

I am not aware of any wrong-doing by Hillary while in office. This is just a fishing expedition to find dirt. If there was a particular crime she was accused of I would be more supportive of your position. Given the amount of shit she went through while Bill was in office, I'm cutting her some slack on this one. That was one of the nastiest partisan witch hunts in modern history.

All of this isn't to say I want her to become president, I don't.

It's a simple game.

1) Break Law (or otherwise *wrongdoing)
2) Hide/Conceal information related to the wrongdoing
3) Require proof of said wrongdoing

Point #3 should look pretty absurd when it's obvious #2 has been employed, not that it can prove anything under the law... but that's the point.


Not that Hilary is the only one who employs this tactic or that it is a partisan tactic. The same game of concealing information of wrongdoing and then asking for "prove it" is common in many levels of government and business. Bottom line is its effective for those in positions of power+money because they can control information through various means (lawyers and other) more than the little guys who can rarely win with this kind of tactic.

The real art is in how effective the concealing process is. The amateurs fail to effectively conceal, the pros do it in a lock tight manner.

Private server, all that. Again, this is done to conceal, not for convenience FFS. I hope we don't have to be deceived just because that's what Hilary wants.

The dots are pretty close on this one. Given Hilary thinks she is better than others, it's not that surprising she'd do this and then believe it's no big deal. After all she is more important than you or I, she should be able to do things like this and not be held accountable... so in her mind "why the big fuss?" is likely authentic. For the hacks who support her defense here,... should know better.

*wrongdoing is going to be a subjective matter (did Hilary really shart at that one dinner!??! like Trey Gowdy believes?), but what is objective is that Hilary wanted to conceal information and that she did so illegally.

 

[cabri]

She played by the rules. So did the Bushistas. Neither committed any crime. Well, not wrt email, anyway.

And, remember, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Link

Hillary Clinton said in a press conference on Tuesday that, "I fully complied with every rule that I was governed by" when serving as secretary of state.

But a Washington lawyer says that's not true if she signed the OF-109 form required of every State Department official, including the secretary, upon leaving office.

The form states that the signer has "surrendered to responsible officials all unclassified documents and papers relating to the official business of the government acquired while in the employ of the federal government."

Either she did not sign the OF-109 - which is required or if she did; she did not compile which is a felony.

 

[soundforbjt]

Link



Either she did not sign the OF-109 - which is required or if she did; she did not compile which is a felony.

Then Powell may have committed a felony as well.

 

[rudeguy]

Then Powell may have committed a felony as well.

how does that affect Hillary?

If you want a thread about Powell, make one. Stop deflecting.

 

[soundforbjt]

how does that affect Hillary?

If you want a thread about Powell, make one. Stop deflecting.

It's relevant to the discussion, if Hillary committed a felony, then her predecessors may have done so as well. Does the law not apply to Powell?

 

[rudeguy]

It's relevant to the discussion, if Hillary committed a felony, then her predecessors may have done so as well. Does the law not apply to Powell?

I don't know. Make a thread about him and find out.

Should Hillary be charged with a felony?

 

[soundforbjt]

I don't know. Make a thread about him and find out.

Should Hillary be charged with a felony?

Not from speculation made by SpewsMax & Fox News.

 

[ivwshane]

I don't know. Make a thread about him and find out.

Should Hillary be charged with a felony?

Well based on precedence (you know, the thing you think is unrelated), it appears that the answer is no.

 

[rudeguy]

Well based on precedence (you know, the thing you think is unrelated), it appears that the answer is no.

Then why would Powell be charged with a felony?

 

[ivwshane]

Then why would Powell be charged with a felony?

He wasn't charged, that's the point.

 

[rudeguy]

He wasn't charged, that's the point.

I just love twisting you guys up sometimes.

I think the honest answer to "should Powell be charged" is, I don't know. That was 10 years ago number one and number two; did anyone ever request those files? Was it ran on his own private server or hosted where others were in charge of backups? Does he still have access to those backups? Did he delete any backups?

If anyone wants to go after Powell, go ahead. The fact is that Hillary has again been caught lying, deceiving and concealing.

 

[bshole]

I just love twisting you guys up sometimes.

I think the honest answer to "should Powell be charged" is, I don't know. That was 10 years ago number one and number two; did anyone ever request those files? Was it ran on his own private server or hosted where others were in charge of backups? Does he still have access to those backups? Did he delete any backups?

If anyone wants to go after Powell, go ahead. The fact is that Hillary has again been caught lying, deceiving and concealing.

The left hasn't perfected the art of political hatchet jobs like the Republicans. They in general attempt the brazen crap that Republicans do. Hillary should lose in the primary but not for this bs. This kind of muckraking is wrong.

 

[rudeguy]

The left hasn't perfected the art of political hatchet jobs like the Republicans. They in general attempt the brazen crap that Republicans do. Hillary should lose in the primary but not for this bs. This kind of muckraking is wrong.

Muckraking? Telling the truth is muckraking?

Oh that's right. You welcome lying as long as "its for the greater good".

 

[bshole]

Muckraking? Telling the truth is muckraking?

Oh that's right. You welcome lying as long as "its for the greater good".

Well I am not all the informed on this particular issue. That has never stopped me from shooting off my mouth in the past and certainly won't stop me here.

It is my impression that this whole issue boils down to some partisan hacks wanting to get into Hillary's email so they can smear her. There is no accusation of wrong doing per se, just an accusation that she is hiding information. If I am wrong regarding the facts of this case, it is a fault of ignorance, not bias.

 

[Bowfinger]

Muckraking? Telling the truth is muckraking?

Oh that's right. You welcome lying as long as "its for the greater good".

The problem, as I pointed out much earlier in the thread, is that the right's "truth" is far more innuendo and speculation than fact. It is you that welcomes lying as long as it reinforces your preconceptions and partisan biases.

 

[cabri]

Well I am not all the informed on this particular issue. That has never stopped me from shooting off my mouth in the past and certainly won't stop me here.

It is my impression that this whole issue boils down to some partisan hacks wanting to get into Hillary's email so they can smear her. There is no accusation of wrong doing per se, just an accusation that she is hiding information. If I am wrong regarding the facts of this case, it is a fault of ignorance, not bias.

The problem is she deliberately sidestepped the rules/guidelines.
1. Why - what did her system allow that the .gov system did not?
1a. She did not want the .gov system because it was not under her control.
2. Only her staff is doing the filtering - which means that we are only getting what she wants to be seen - See #1a
3. There were large time gaps in what she had originally provided to Congress. she knew that not all info was being provided and kept quiet.
See #1a


As for you providing excuses - you always end up pleading ignorance when you are caught with your bias handing out.

 

[ivwshane]

I just love twisting you guys up sometimes.

I think the honest answer to "should Powell be charged" is, I don't know. That was 10 years ago number one and number two; did anyone ever request those files? Was it ran on his own private server or hosted where others were in charge of backups? Does he still have access to those backups? Did he delete any backups?

If anyone wants to go after Powell, go ahead. The fact is that Hillary has again been caught lying, deceiving and concealing.

Speaking of twisting! Hilary wasn't cought lying, her email account was common knowledge to those in congress and especially to those who were investigating her for the incident in benghazi.

But I retained none of those e-mails and we are working with the State Department to see if there’s anything else they want to discuss with me about those e-mails.

http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03...death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html

So again, the precedent was already set. Alarming? Yes but not for the reasons you'd like it to be. Should people go to jail for this? No, not unless there is actual evidence of a cover up, do you have some evidence?

Rage on!

 

[rudeguy]

Speaking of twisting! Hilary wasn't cought lying, her email account was common knowledge to those in congress and especially to those who were investigating her for the incident in benghazi.



http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03...death-blow-hillary-clinton-email-scandal.html

So again, the precedent was already set. Alarming? Yes but not for the reasons you'd like it to be. Should people go to jail for this? No, not unless there is actual evidence of a cover up, do you have some evidence?

Rage on!

I posted yet another of her lies earlier. She said she made that email so she could have one device, then stated she carried multiple devices. She said she made the email for convenience, which is a total lie. There is no way having that email made anything more convenient.

I don't know if she should go to jail for this. If she deleted anything government related, including emails from foreigners regarding donations, then she should for sure go to jail.

 

[rudeguy]

The problem, as I pointed out much earlier in the thread, is that the right's "truth" is far more innuendo and speculation than fact. It is you that welcomes lying as long as it reinforces your preconceptions and partisan biases.

bshole has said many times that he welcomes lying "for the greater good". I've always taken a firm stance that lying is wrong. Period.

Now if you would care to make up some other things, go ahead. The trolley car to The Land of Make Believe is leaving soon.