He's mouthing off again, and not backing up his statements again.

[DisarmedDespot]

This is where you are wrong and why Dems are losing elections like the Governorship of Virginia, almost the Governorship in NJ and various other seats just a few weeks ago, and they will absolutely lose the midterms by more than we think if they don't start appealing via regular talk and taking on their opponents with straight talk, like straight up calling CRT a campaign of lies and daring Republican candidates to point out specifics. You don't need to talk like Trump but you need to start landing punches, which you are saying is dumb. You have never been more wrong.

I pray you are not a democratic political consultant.

Yeah, that's not what I said. Land punches, yes -- but not on Trump's terms. This whole 'debate me' bullshit is just something for the right to feed its infosphere edited clips. There's a reason AOC didn't debate Ben Shapiro.

 

[MrSquished]

Yeah, that's not what I said. Land punches, yes -- but not on Trump's terms. This whole 'debate me' bullshit is just something for the right to feed its infosphere edited clips. There's a reason AOC didn't debate Ben Shapiro.

I don't think you have to debate any right wing hack who offers to, but to expose the king himself is kind of a good idea. That comparison is not good.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

I don't think you have to debate any right wing hack who offers to, but to expose the king himself is kind of a good idea. That comparison is not good.

What is there to be exposed? Trump makes an ass of himself all the time. Why would a debate do what hundreds of scandals could not?

At a fundamental level, the Dems and Repugs are different. Dems don't have the endless hate cycle to keep their base fired up like Repugs have.

 

[nOOky]

The people who are supporting him aren't interested in facts. I would personally keep bringing up all the people who have deserted him. Lin Wood is the latest one who now claims that the election conspiracy & Michael Flynn are now deep state products. Alternate conspiracies from within his circle will start to have people doubting Trump's command of the narrative. If that crumbles, there is nothing left.

Bring up the long list of Trump deserters, and when trump trashes them, ask trump why he is such a shitty judge of character then? Are you just gullible, a poor judge of character, or do you just fuck over those loyal to you? The answer should be obvious.

 

[Amol S.]

I disagree. The right opponent could make trump look like an idiot. They have to be able to speak frankly and not dance around with the polite political speak so many Democrats fall into.

The opponent is the fact checker. Would just have to shut Trump's mic off if needed.

No this would not change Trump's base's mind because they are corrupt beyond repair, but it would be good for for Dems to see someone make trump look stupid on a national stage, and for independents.

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List of best people to debate against Trump.
* Brittney Spears (Has claimed support for BLM)
* Ron Prescott Reagan (Is LGBTQ and a Democrat, as well as Reagan's son)
* Howard Stern
* Michael Bloomberg
* Lisa Murkowski
* Liz Chenney
* Manchin
* Someone from supreme court

 

[Meghan54]

I think this is wishful thinking. I see no evidence anywhere in the historical record that some sort of great debate performance would meaningfully move the needle.

Probably the only time that's happened were the 1960 Kennedy/Nixon debates. Those did move the needle meaningfully.

 

[trenchfoot]

I guess you didn't see him wandering menacingly behind Hillery during those debates.

The SNL skit on that had me LOL'ing days afterward. In fact I think I'll check it out one more time.

 

[Amol S.]

The Trump presidency was a prolonged comedy skit to some, a prolonged horror story to some others, and a wonderful bliss to the rest. Those who felt it as a bliss are the Trumpanzees.

 

[esquared]

You'd have to have Trump in a straightjacket with a controllable ball gag in his mouth to have a debate.

Like this?

 

[shortylickens]

Speaking of orange man not living in reality:

Trump’s ‘fact-free’ approach caused briefing challenges, CIA report says

Ex-president’s chaotic style resulted in presidential daily briefing being delivered more regularly to Mike Pence

www.theguardian.com

I think we heard about this already, but its nice to have verification.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I don't think you have to debate any right wing hack who offers to, but to expose the king himself is kind of a good idea. That comparison is not good.

There is no point ever debating Trump. He has developed the Gish Gallop to a whole new level that even Duane Gish would not have believed possible to get away with. He will just keep spewing bullshit so fast that you can't even challenge him on one thing before he has moved on to claim something even more outrageous. Trump has no shame, there is no claim so infuriatingly blaringly false that he won't boldly claim it as true.

Trump will stand on the stage and with a straight face claim that after when George Washington crossed the Potomac to defeat the French in the Battle of the Bulge, he then gathered all the founding fathers at the Last Supper and they unanimously agreed that America would be a heterosexual Christian nation for only Americans forever, and he is here to make sure that remains true! Then while Mayor Pete is about 4 words into trying to explain just how stupid that is Trump is shouting over him abiyt how that is proof that 'The Gays' cause COVID.

There has been a lot of effort over the years on how to counter the Gish Gallop, and the best way it to pre-emptively refute their main point, but you can't do that when the Galloper will just make up things on the spot. There is no known technique for winning against that. In the end the reasonable one ends up looking incompetent for not being able to get even one good point in against the firehose of bullshit. In the end no one talks about your well reasoned argument on why the National Debt is not really a problem, all they talk about is how Trump doesn't know even the basics of history, and while you may think that is a negative for Trump, it is not. They are talking about him. His name is in the air, and yours is not. Besides that, most people don't really know when or why Washington crossed the Potomac or what battle he fought there.

The only way to win against weaponized stupid is to not engage with it.

 

[MrSquished]

There is no point ever debating Trump. He has developed the Gish Gallop to a whole new level that even Duane Gish would not have believed possible to get away with. He will just keep spewing bullshit so fast that you can't even challenge him on one thing before he has moved on to claim something even more outrageous. Trump has no shame, there is no claim so infuriatingly blaringly false that he won't boldly claim it as true.

Trump will stand on the stage and with a straight face claim that after when George Washington crossed the Potomac to defeat the French in the Battle of the Bulge, he then gathered all the founding fathers at the Last Supper and they unanimously agreed that America would be a heterosexual Christian nation for only Americans forever, and he is here to make sure that remains true! Then while Mayor Pete is about 4 words into trying to explain just how stupid that is Trump is shouting over him abiyt how that is proof that 'The Gays' cause COVID.

There has been a lot of effort over the years on how to counter the Gish Gallop, and the best way it to pre-emptively refute their main point, but you can't do that when the Galloper will just make up things on the spot. There is no known technique for winning against that. In the end the reasonable one ends up looking incompetent for not being able to get even one good point in against the firehose of bullshit. In the end no one talks about your well reasoned argument on why the National Debt is not really a problem, all they talk about is how Trump doesn't know even the basics of history, and while you may think that is a negative for Trump, it is not. They are talking about him. His name is in the air, and yours is not. Besides that, most people don't really know when or why Washington crossed the Potomac or what battle he fought there.

The only way to win against weaponized stupid is to not engage with it.

Then Democrats deserve to lose. If you can't figure out how to win against the enemy, then you deserve to lose.

I'm not saying any democrat should debate Trump, just certain ones with a certain demeanor and skill set. You'd just have a format where each person gets the same amount of time to speak, then their mic gets cut off. Simple.

If a whole political party can't handle that, then we deserve Trump

 

[trenchfoot]

Then Democrats deserve to lose. If you can't figure out how to win against the enemy, then you deserve to lose.

I'm not saying any democrat should debate Trump, just certain ones with a certain demeanor and skill set. You'd just have a format where each person gets the same amount of time to speak, then their mic gets cut off. Simple.

If a whole political party can't handle that, then we deserve Trump

The problem with that approach is that the media suits want controversy and very heated arguments to get ratings spikes. To be sure, the Repubs want an unstructured format where Trump can ad lib his way around any point that would make him look to be the intellectually barren doofus that he is while the Dems would prefer a format that restricts Trump from playing fast and loose with the truth and facts of the matter at hand.

Trump relies heavily on his supporters being keyed into how he embarrasses and humiliates his opponents while disregarding the fact that Trump lies all the time he's in debate and that fact checking his lies post-debate have absolutely no effect on his popularity ratings with the party's faithful. All they want is to be entertained by Trump teasing and dissing his opponents, with cheap shots and false accusations having much more value to them over policy differences between the parties.

 

[MrSquished]

The problem with that approach is that the media suits want controversy and very heated arguments to get ratings spikes. To be sure, the Repubs want an unstructured format where Trump can ad lib his way around any point that would make him look to be the intellectually barren doofus that he is while the Dems would prefer a format that restricts Trump from playing fast and loose with the truth and facts of the matter at hand.

Trump relies heavily on his supporters being keyed into how he embarrasses and humiliates his opponents while disregarding the fact that Trump lies all the time he's in debate and that fact checking his lies post-debate have absolutely no effect on his popularity ratings with the party's faithful. All they want is to be entertained by Trump teasing and dissing his opponents, with cheap shots and false accusations having much more value to them over policy differences between the parties.

The debate is not to speak to the 75% of the Republican party that are irredeemable deplorable people. Those people are hopeless and one can never work with them they are horrible.

It's for the 25% of the Republican party that has some of their souls left, all of the independents, and to get the Democratic base fired up.

 

[eelw]

The debate is not to speak to the 75% of the Republican party that are irredeemable deplorable people. Those people are hopeless and one can never work with them they are horrible.

It's for the 25% of the Republican party that has some of their souls left, all of the independents, and to get the Democratic base fired up.

Indeed. It’s not about replying to what the orange monkey says. It’s about saying the right message to the viewers.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Then Democrats deserve to lose. If you can't figure out how to win against the enemy, then you deserve to lose.

I'm not saying any democrat should debate Trump, just certain ones with a certain demeanor and skill set. You'd just have a format where each person gets the same amount of time to speak, then their mic gets cut off. Simple.

If a whole political party can't handle that, then we deserve Trump

Trump knows what he is doing, and he will simply not accept such rules. We saw how that hurt his style in the last debates, he would not allow that to happen again. He is also going to demand a lose format and that the moderator be someone he hand chooses. Because Trump does not care about debates, because debates are about policy and Trump does not care about policy. He does not run on policy, he runs on being a bigger asshole then anyone else. Trump can hold rally's to get his soundbites and all the news stations will cover it because Trump is a spectacle. He creates drama that creates ratings. But he knows that Democrats care about those things, so he can hold them hostage to his demands. That is why I am saying that you can't win in that format, the best thing is to walk away.

 

[MrSquished]

Trump knows what he is doing, and he will simply not accept such rules. We saw how that hurt his style in the last debates, he would not allow that to happen again. He is also going to demand a lose format and that the moderator be someone he hand chooses. Because Trump does not care about debates, because debates are about policy and Trump does not care about policy. He does not run on policy, he runs on being a bigger asshole then anyone else. Trump can hold rally's to get his soundbites and all the news stations will cover it because Trump is a spectacle. He creates drama that creates ratings. But he knows that Democrats care about those things, so he can hold them hostage to his demands. That is why I am saying that you can't win in that format, the best thing is to walk away.

I don't think you should agree to any format Trump wants. But I think you do propose or work with a format that is so simple and so fair that if Trump says no, he'll just look like an idiot. Let him look like an idiot. Again, not to the majority of the Trump cult base that are just terrible ignorant shitheads that think Trump is wonderful. But to everybody else

 

[MrSquished]

If you want to prove the emperor has no clothes, you have to expose him. And tiptoeing and being chicken shit to confront him is not working. The last election was barely won in a few states that Biden should have won by more.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

If you want to prove the emperor has no clothes, you have to expose him. And tiptoeing and being chicken shit to confront him is not working. The last election was barely won in a few states that Biden should have won by more.

It's been public knowledge for the past six years that the emperor is proudly displaying his micropenis in public. Again, how is a debate going to 'expose' him any more than he already is? You're never gonna get him to agree to a format that wouldn't let him get attention. It's like playing chess with a pigeon, he's just gonna knock over the pieces and shit all over the board.

Honestly, where is this coming from? You keep insisting that Trump needs to be 'confronted' and 'exposed' to get votes out. Why does it need to be done as a debate? As essentially everyone here has said, you're just playing into that stupid right-wind 'debate me' nonsense.

 

[fskimospy]

It's been public knowledge for the past six years that the emperor is proudly displaying his micropenis in public. Again, how is a debate going to 'expose' him any more than he already is? You're never gonna get him to agree to a format that wouldn't let him get attention. It's like playing chess with a pigeon, he's just gonna knock over the pieces and shit all over the board.

Honestly, where is this coming from? You keep insisting that Trump needs to be 'confronted' and 'exposed' to get votes out. Why does it need to be done as a debate? As essentially everyone here has said, you're just playing into that stupid right-wind 'debate me' nonsense.

Yes, he seems to be laboring under the delusion that people don’t know who Trump is and if he’s somehow ‘exposed’ this will change things.

People know exactly who Trump is. The problem is some people like it, not that we don’t know.

 

[thilanliyan]

I really hope he doesn't (or isn't able to due to jail time ) run in 2024. It's looking like GOP will do anything to get one of their own into power. He's the only one currently capable of riling up the GOP voters though. If they run anyone else I'm not sure they'll win.

 

[trenchfoot]

On the blatantly obvious face of it all, for the Repubs to champion an obviously illogical choice as Trump is, having proved beyond doubt his incompetence and deeply flawed personality disorders during his four year stint as POTUS speaks to the desperation that party of theirs is exhibiting.

In their efforts to hold on to power with Trump as their leader, they have abandoned any pretense that their once lofty sounding ideology mantras are of import and exposed the fact that their standards are a mere facade to hide behind and differentiate themselves from their opposition. For them for the past decades now it's become a singular purpose of denying the Democrats any meaningful participation in the process of governing our nation. A raw power grab, stripped of any notion that ideologies are in play.

 

[SMOGZINN]

I don't think you should agree to any format Trump wants. But I think you do propose or work with a format that is so simple and so fair that if Trump says no, he'll just look like an idiot. Let him look like an idiot. Again, not to the majority of the Trump cult base that are just terrible ignorant shitheads that think Trump is wonderful. But to everybody else

Are we talking about the same Trump here? Orange man with yellow hair and suits two sizes too big? He is just one tiny car away from being a clown, and you think not agreeing to a debate is what will make him look like an idiot?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I really hope he doesn't (or isn't able to due to jail time ) run in 2024. It's looking like GOP will do anything to get one of their own into power. He's the only one currently capable of riling up the GOP voters though. If they run anyone else I'm not sure they'll win.

Just a FYI there is no reason that Trump could not run for President from prison.

 

[shortylickens]

Just a FYI there is no reason that Trump could not run for President from prison.

Well, there is one reason.
If he's in prison because of a felony conviction.

Law says a president must be a U.S. Born Citizen, at least 35 years old, and not have felony convictions.

By the way thats it, thats all which is required to be president of the united states. There are literally no other qualifications.