He's mouthing off again, and not backing up his statements again.

[SMOGZINN]

Well, there is one reason.
If he's in prison because of a felony conviction.

Law says a president must be a U.S. Born Citizen, at least 35 years old, and not have felony convictions.

By the way thats it, thats all which is required to be president of the united states. There are literally no other qualifications.

Nope. The Constitution does not mention felony convictions for requirements to be President.

The exact wording of the US Constitution as to what is required to be President of the United States:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

That is all. No other requirements. The only exception is that the section under impeachment says that if a person should be removed from office then they are not eligible to hold any public office again, and that is interpreted to include the President.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope. The Constitution does not mention felony convictions for requirements to be President.

The exact wording of the US Constitution as to what is required to be President of the United States:

And really this is a good thing as a common way in other countries to disqualify your opponent is to cook up some sham criminal conviction for them.

 

[thilanliyan]

Nope. The Constitution does not mention felony convictions for requirements to be President.

Crap.

 

[hal2kilo]

Just a FYI there is no reason that Trump could not run for President from prison.

More founding father wisdom at work.

 

[MrSquished]

Are we talking about the same Trump here? Orange man with yellow hair and suits two sizes too big? He is just one tiny car away from being a clown, and you think not agreeing to a debate is what will make him look like an idiot?

Again, I will repeat myself. He will never look like an idiot to his deplorable slavish disgusting base. That is not the point of this exercise. But he would look like an idiot for proposing a debate and then backing out to the few sane Republicans left, to the independents, and keep the Democratic base invested in the upcoming midterms.

 

[MrSquished]

Yes, he seems to be laboring under the delusion that people don’t know who Trump is and if he’s somehow ‘exposed’ this will change things.

People know exactly who Trump is. The problem is some people like it, not that we don’t know.

Trump has never truly been exposed on a national debate stage by anybody. You keep pretending this has happened. Hilary just did ok, but that was ages ago, and Biden just doesn't have the stuff, nor was the format acceptable when they debated. Plus since those debates Trump tried to overthrow democracy, so we are in a whole other world right now. Another convenient thing you two are ignoring completely. Oh nothing's changed, except Trump trying to overthrow democracy. That does matter to quite a few people that aren't the insane Trump base of the GQP who aren't already anti-Trump.

The fact you think it's smart to not expose that the emperor has no clothes is a terrible political calculation. The Dems need to see that we are not scared to take him on, dems are hungry to see Trump finally put in his place on a national stage after trying to overthrow Democracy, voters need to be energized, independents need to be reminded what a loon he is and that it would be insane to vote for any Republican as long as their party does not renounce him.

Trump lost by a lot of numerical votes, but we don't have a popular vote. Elections were too close in multiple swing states. There are a lot of voters we need to energize in those states.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump has never truly been exposed on a national debate stage by anybody. You keep pretending this has happened. Hilary just did ok, but that was ages ago, and Biden just doesn't have the stuff, nor was the format acceptable when they debated. Plus since those debates Trump tried to overthrow democracy, so we are in a whole other world right now. Another convenient thing you two are ignoring completely. Oh nothing's changed, except Trump trying to overthrow democracy. That does matter to quite a few people that aren't the insane Trump base of the GQP who aren't already anti-Trump.

The fact you think it's smart to not expose that the emperor has no clothes is a terrible political calculation. The Dems need to see that we are not scared to take him on, dems are hungry to see Trump finally put in his place on a national stage after trying to overthrow Democracy, voters need to be energized, independents need to be reminded what a loon he is and that it would be insane to vote for any Republican as long as their party does not renounce him.

Trump lost by a lot of numerical votes, but we don't have a popular vote. Elections were too close in multiple swing states. There are a lot of voters we need to energize in those states.

As soon as it manages to be a real debate, Trump will walk off the stage.

 

[MrSquished]

As soon as it manages to be a real debate, Trump will walk off the stage.

Absolutely perfect result. This would be a top scenario IMO.

 

[fskimospy]

Trump has never truly been exposed on a national debate stage by anybody. You keep pretending this has happened. Hilary just did ok, but that was ages ago, and Biden just doesn't have the stuff, nor was the format acceptable when they debated. Plus since those debates Trump tried to overthrow democracy, so we are in a whole other world right now. Another convenient thing you two are ignoring completely. Oh nothing's changed, except Trump trying to overthrow democracy. That does matter to quite a few people that aren't the insane Trump base of the GQP who aren't already anti-Trump.

The fact you think it's smart to not expose that the emperor has no clothes is a terrible political calculation. The Dems need to see that we are not scared to take him on, dems are hungry to see Trump finally put in his place on a national stage after trying to overthrow Democracy, voters need to be energized, independents need to be reminded what a loon he is and that it would be insane to vote for any Republican as long as their party does not renounce him.

Trump lost by a lot of numerical votes, but we don't have a popular vote. Elections were too close in multiple swing states. There are a lot of voters we need to energize in those states.

This is the same school of thought that a lot of news shows use where they think if they have huge liars on to spout falsehoods that they can then disprove that this will be a way to counter misinformation. All it ends up doing is publicizing the beliefs of huge liars though - far more effective to just not have them on.

If Trump runs again voters will be constantly reminded of how Trump is crazy and the base will be highly motivated regardless. There's no need to publicly broadcast lies to do it.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

Trump has never truly been exposed on a national debate stage by anybody. You keep pretending this has happened. Hilary just did ok, but that was ages ago, and Biden just doesn't have the stuff, nor was the format acceptable when they debated. Plus since those debates Trump tried to overthrow democracy, so we are in a whole other world right now. Another convenient thing you two are ignoring completely. Oh nothing's changed, except Trump trying to overthrow democracy. That does matter to quite a few people that aren't the insane Trump base of the GQP who aren't already anti-Trump.

The fact you think it's smart to not expose that the emperor has no clothes is a terrible political calculation. The Dems need to see that we are not scared to take him on, dems are hungry to see Trump finally put in his place on a national stage after trying to overthrow Democracy, voters need to be energized, independents need to be reminded what a loon he is and that it would be insane to vote for any Republican as long as their party does not renounce him.

Trump lost by a lot of numerical votes, but we don't have a popular vote. Elections were too close in multiple swing states. There are a lot of voters we need to energize in those states.

What would a debate do that everything else hasn't?

Look, I'll be honest with you. Anyone in the GOP who hasn't fully renounced Trump already (after years of his stupidity and the January 6th riot) is utterly, utterly hopeless and will not have their mind change by a debate. The same for independents. Anyone who insists they're still undecided on Trump is either an embarrassed Trumper who will vote for him every time, or an absolute moron who probably forgets to breathe.

It would be great if there was something historically proven to swing elections, but debates aren't.

Absolutely perfect result. This would be a top scenario IMO.

It would make for an excellent headline for fifteen minutes until it's quickly forgotten. Just like him skipping one of the primary debates and his antics in the first presidential debate.

 

[fskimospy]

It would make for an excellent headline for fifteen minutes until it's quickly forgotten. Just like him skipping one of the primary debates and his antics in the first presidential debate.

I actually think if any debate hurt him it was the first one because it highlighted how abnormal he really is. He clearly learned from that mistake though and never repeated it. He would not repeat it here either, and the actual contents of a policy or legal debate about election fraud won't matter to anyone.

 

[MrSquished]

This is the same school of thought that a lot of news shows use where they think if they have huge liars on to spout falsehoods that they can then disprove that this will be a way to counter misinformation. All it ends up doing is publicizing the beliefs of huge liars though - far more effective to just not have them on.

If Trump runs again voters will be constantly reminded of how Trump is crazy and the base will be highly motivated regardless. There's no need to publicly broadcast lies to do it.

Two big problems here. I'm looking at the 2022 midterms like any Democratic political strategist should be doing, not 2024. 2022 is what we need to focus on now. This should happen next year before the 2022 midterms so Dems could use it against the GQP'ers they are running against.

Second your interpretation of what this would do is completely wrong. You are acting like I am saying agree to put Trump on national television to just make a speech. The fact is the majority of the Republican party these days are huge liars, are you saying we should not debate any of them? Absolutely political suicide. Also, Trumps lies are already out there everyday, this is just a way to show the Dems are strong enough to counter the emperor.

The fact is the reason Dems lose as much as they do is because they don't engage back forcefully enough against all the GQP liars, take Virginia this past month. We need the right opponent to debate Trump, to speak back in simple and forceful ways against him. Actually call him a liar. Don't be crass like Trump, but be simple and forceful and stand up to the bully with simple prose and simple facts and just hold your ground, something Democrats pussyfoot around too much. Independents, moderates, they want to see a candidate that talks simply and not in political flower speak and is a fighter. Trump is hungering for the spotlight, he is aching for that camera and pulpit ever since he lost Twitter - he will be as crazy as ever. Exactly what we need.

What would a debate do that everything else hasn't?

Look, I'll be honest with you. Anyone in the GOP who hasn't fully renounced Trump already (after years of his stupidity and the January 6th riot) is utterly, utterly hopeless and will not have their mind change by a debate. The same for independents. Anyone who insists they're still undecided on Trump is either an embarrassed Trumper who will vote for him every time, or an absolute moron who probably forgets to breathe.

It would be great if there was something historically proven to swing elections, but debates aren't.


It would make for an excellent headline for fifteen minutes until it's quickly forgotten. Just like him skipping one of the primary debates and his antics in the first presidential debate.

I'll repeat myself. This is not to appeal to the majority of the GQP base that are Trumpie deplorables. How many times do I have to say this to hit home?

As far as making a headline for 15 minutes and going away. Totally wrong. This would be a video and audio moment gold for all 2022 midterm election races. Not just the video of Trump huffing out like a child, but the audio of the moments leading up to it. Haven't you learned anything from all the political races in history? That's the stuff campaigns can really utilize. It's anything but a 15 minute of fame moment. It will live on in infamy in countless campaigns hammering the GQP'ers being run against for supporting that kind of crazy. Again, getting out the Dem base and appealing to independents.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

I'll repeat myself. This is not to appeal to the majority of the GQP base that are Trumpie deplorables. How many times do I have to say this to hit home?

You keep insisting this is about reaching non-trump Republicans and independents:

The Dems need to see that we are not scared to take him on, dems are hungry to see Trump finally put in his place on a national stage after trying to overthrow Democracy, voters need to be energized, independents need to be reminded what a loon he is and that it would be insane to vote for any Republican as long as their party does not renounce him.

It's for the 25% of the Republican party that has some of their souls left, all of the independents, and to get the Democratic base fired up.

I'm saying those two groups do not exist.

• The Republican party has been fully taken over by Trump. Anyone who doesn't kiss his ring gets forced out and groups like the Lincoln Project have ceased to be relevant. There is not 25% of the party you can reach, those people either fled long ago or were brainwashed into the cult.
• Any independent who is still undecided on Trump is either a closeted Trumper too embarrassed to admit they like the orange don or a complete and utter idiot.

That leaves energizing the Dems, which as I said, won't work. Dems aren't energized by the 15 minutes of hate like the Repugs are. Dems fall in love, Repugs fall in line. You need policies and a candidate that get the Dems fired up. Yet another embarrassment by Trump is just a drop in a bucket.

As far as making a headline for 15 minutes and going away. Totally wrong. This would be a video and audio moment gold for all 2022 midterm election races. Not just the video of Trump huffing out like a child, but the audio of the moments leading up to it. Haven't you learned anything from all the political races in history? That's the stuff campaigns can really utilize. It's anything but a 15 minute of fame moment. It will live on in infamy in countless campaigns hammering the GQP'ers being run against for supporting that kind of crazy. Again, getting out the Dem base and appealing to independents.

Yes, I have. They've shown debates don't change anything anymore and that Trump survived hundreds of embarrassments before. Burden of proof is on you to explain why the hell this time will be any different.

 

[MrSquished]

You keep insisting this is about reaching non-trump Republicans and independents:



I'm saying those two groups do not exist.

• The Republican party has been fully taken over by Trump. Anyone who doesn't kiss his ring gets forced out and groups like the Lincoln Project have ceased to be relevant. There is not 25% of the party you can reach, those people either fled long ago or were brainwashed into the cult.
• Any independent who is still undecided on Trump is either a closeted Trumper too embarrassed to admit they like the orange don or a complete and utter idiot.

That leaves energizing the Dems, which as I said, won't work. Dems aren't energized by the 15 minutes of hate like the Repugs are. Dems fall in love, Repugs fall in line. You need policies and a candidate that get the Dems fired up. Yet another embarrassment by Trump is just a drop in a bucket.


Yes, I have. They've shown debates don't change anything anymore and that Trump survived hundreds of embarrassments before. Burden of proof is on you to explain why the hell this time will be any different.

You think independents don't exist? Thanks for exposing you know little about politics. There are actually people who sit on various sides of issues that straddle R and D positions. As far as Republicans all loving Trump, polls prove you wrong on that too, and prove my 25% figure to be in the right ballpark give or take

Two-thirds of Republicans want Trump to retain major political role; 44% want him to run again in 2024

About a third of Republicans (32%) say they would not like Donald Trump to remain a national political figure for many years to come.

www.pewresearch.org

"About one-in-five Republicans (22%) say that while they would like Trump to continue to be a major political figure in the United States, they would prefer he use his stature to support another presidential candidate who shares his views in the 2024 election rather than run for office himself. About a third of Republicans (32%) say they would not like Trump to remain a national political figure for many years to come."

As far as crucial sound bytes and video not affecting political elections you are again clueless. It doesn't have to be just from a debate, but really any interview or comment, but in this case we are talking about a debate. Do you think political campaigns spend hundreds of millions of dollars on ads that feature sound bytes and clips of opponents because they don't work at all? I mean that is just ridiculous. These campaigns aren't stupid. These things work. And here we are specifically talking about a situation where Trump would get so flustered he would walk off the stage. That is like priceless gold to the Dems. Literal unobtainium. The fact you can dismiss that specific thing is insane. Please tell me you are not involved in the campaigns for any Democratic political official in any capacity.

I can't tell you how many times I heard the Phil Murphy quote 'If you are about taxes, New Jersey is not the state for you' comment in the ads of his opponent. It was a very effective ad. Murphy won, but by far far less than he should have. Effective ads like that using Murphy's own words were a noticeable part of that.

 

[fskimospy]

Two big problems here. I'm looking at the 2022 midterms like any Democratic political strategist should be doing, not 2024. 2022 is what we need to focus on now. This should happen next year before the 2022 midterms so Dems could use it against the GQP'ers they are running against.

Second your interpretation of what this would do is completely wrong. You are acting like I am saying agree to put Trump on national television to just make a speech. The fact is the majority of the Republican party these days are huge liars, are you saying we should not debate any of them? Absolutely political suicide. Also, Trumps lies are already out there everyday, this is just a way to show the Dems are strong enough to counter the emperor.

Can you show me any evidence whatsoever that the public is looking for Democrats to confront Trump more forcefully? Everything I’ve seen would indicate the opposite - they want to move on.

The fact is the reason Dems lose as much as they do is because they don't engage back forcefully enough against all the GQP liars, take Virginia this past month. We need the right opponent to debate Trump, to speak back in simple and forceful ways against him. Actually call him a liar. Don't be crass like Trump, but be simple and forceful and stand up to the bully with simple prose and simple facts and just hold your ground, something Democrats pussyfoot around too much. Independents, moderates, they want to see a candidate that talks simply and not in political flower speak and is a fighter. Trump is hungering for the spotlight, he is aching for that camera and pulpit ever since he lost Twitter - he will be as crazy as ever. Exactly what we need.

I think you’re confusing what you want with what the public wants/would be convinced by.

Partisans tend to think that politics is won by crushing the other party when that’s rarely the case. Trump lost because that’s what he ran on, for example. Look at the most successful democrats of the last 50 years, Clinton and Obama. Neither were known as super partisan fighters.

I'll repeat myself. This is not to appeal to the majority of the GQP base that are Trumpie deplorables. How many times do I have to say this to hit home?

As far as making a headline for 15 minutes and going away. Totally wrong. This would be a video and audio moment gold for all 2022 midterm election races. Not just the video of Trump huffing out like a child, but the audio of the moments leading up to it. Haven't you learned anything from all the political races in history? That's the stuff campaigns can really utilize. It's anything but a 15 minute of fame moment. It will live on in infamy in countless campaigns hammering the GQP'ers being run against for supporting that kind of crazy. Again, getting out the Dem base and appealing to independents.

This goes back to my original point, that this debate would not turn out the way you imagine. What would really happen is the mainstreaming of election lies, which is of course why Trump wants this debate so badly. You’re playing right into his hands.

 

[fskimospy]

The real reason ‘energizing the base’ strategies don’t tend to work is that things you do to energize your base usually energize the other side’s base as well. This is what Trump didn’t understand - he was baffled by how he got so many more votes than last time but still lost. It’s because his strategy was helping Biden’s turnout as much as his.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

You think independents don't exist? Thanks for exposing you know little about politics. There are actually people who sit on various sides of issues that straddle R and D positions.

I'm not saying independents don't exist, I'm saying any that don't already know Trump is a massive piece of human shit are hopeless human beings and this little debate won't change their minds.

As far as Republicans all loving Trump, polls prove you wrong on that too, and prove my 25% figure to be in the right ballpark give or take

Yeah, just like the polls were so great in 2020 as well! Oh, wait. Look, not only are polls about deplorables inaccurate, the questions should Trump run and will you vote for Trump are two different things. In 2020, Trump got 10 million more votes over 2016. Repugs LOVE his slop and eat it up.

Do you honestly believe 25% of Repugs are going to vote Dem over the orange don? No one who hasn't been in a coma for the last six years should be that naïve to believe there's any reasonable people in the modern GQP.

As far as crucial sound bytes and video not affecting political elections you are again clueless. It doesn't have to be just from a debate, but really any interview or comment, but in this case we are talking about a debate. Do you think political campaigns spend hundreds of millions of dollars on ads that feature sound bytes and clips of opponents because they don't work at all? I mean that is just ridiculous. These campaigns aren't stupid. These things work. And here we are specifically talking about a situation where Trump would get so flustered he would walk off the stage. That is like priceless gold to the Dems. Literal unobtainium. The fact you can dismiss that specific thing is insane. Please tell me you are not involved in the campaigns for any Democratic political official in any capacity.

Yeah because your magical debate will be so much better than literally every soundbyte Trump has provided over the last six years. He's dissed gold star families, mocked prisoners of war, compared dodging STDs to serving in vietnam, talked about dating his own daughter, banged a pornstar while his wife was pregnant, but him walking offstage is what's gonna get the Dems to win?

 

[MrSquished]

Can you show me any evidence whatsoever that the public is looking for Democrats to confront Trump more forcefully? Everything I’ve seen would indicate the opposite - they want to move on.

While Dems may want to move on from Trump, it would be being in a state of denial to say we are in an era where the GQP is not now the party of Trumpism. Making Trump look stupid is also making Trumpism look stupid. We can't move on from that, we have to BEAT that.

I think you’re confusing what you want with what the public wants/would be convinced by.

Partisans tend to think that politics is won by crushing the other party when that’s rarely the case. Trump lost because that’s what he ran on, for example. Look at the most successful democrats of the last 50 years, Clinton and Obama. Neither were known as super partisan fighters.

While I agree with your political positions, the era of Clinton and Obama is extinct. This is exactly while Democrats will lose, being stuck in the past. Those days are long gone. 2022 and 2024 will be even completely different than 2016 and 2020. Thinking of the American political arena in the context of either Bill Clinton or Obama will guarantee a loss. Biden pulled it off but just barely in a few key states. That is way way too close for my comfort. That will not happen again. If the election was a popular vote, that would be one thing. But it isn't. And being meek in the face of Trumpism in the midterms is going to fail miserably as well.

This goes back to my original point, that this debate would not turn out the way you imagine. What would really happen is the mainstreaming of election lies, which is of course why Trump wants this debate so badly. You’re playing right into his hands.

If the Democrats can't come up with a few viable options to take on Trump in a super simple format where each person gets a turn to speak, mics turned off and on and clocks clearly showing they each get the same time, and make him look foolish, then they deserve to lose. Trump is off his rocker and is only getting worse, you can make him look stupid and nuts in a debate with the right demeanour and approach. You need someone strong, that won't take bullshit, will call out bullshit directly. Again, straight talk with constant direct rebuttals to the opponent, something the Dems suck at. They are too intellectual and pussyfoot around being confrontational in the slightest. That may work with people with master's degrees and PhD's, but it's not enough to win elections going forward. People want a leader that can also look tough, not just smart. At least the Dems I've spoken too, including some quiet types like my Mom who are like wtf are the Dems holding back for.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm not saying independents don't exist, I'm saying any that don't already know Trump is a massive piece of human shit are hopeless human beings and this little debate won't change their minds.

I was just quoting what you said but anyway, I don't need independents to be amazing people, I need them to be motivated enough to vote for his opponent.

Yeah, just like the polls were so great in 2020 as well! Oh, wait. Look, not only are polls about deplorables inaccurate, the questions should Trump run and will you vote for Trump are two different things. In 2020, Trump got 10 million more votes over 2016. Repugs LOVE his slop and eat it up.

Do you honestly believe 25% of Repugs are going to vote Dem over the orange don? No one who hasn't been in a coma for the last six years should be that naïve to believe there's any reasonable people in the modern GQP.

I don't think that in the slightest. I think barely any would, though a few might. What I want is for some to stay home in disgust, I can't support Trump nor other candidates that stand by him. Every Republican that stays home is what I want.

Yeah because your magical debate will be so much better than literally every soundbyte Trump has provided over the last six years. He's dissed gold star families, mocked prisoners of war, compared dodging STDs to serving in vietnam, talked about dating his own daughter, banged a pornstar while his wife was pregnant, but him walking offstage is what's gonna get the Dems to win?

Those soundbytes were him talking on his own, not with a skilled orator talking straight talk right back at him and making him look stupid and nuts to his face. It's not a good comparison at all.

I mean literally Trump getting so flustered and owned that he walks off the stage on a national stage would be a huge win for Dems on the national ticket and downballot, since the majority of GQP candidates are all big Trumpies.

 

[fskimospy]

While Dems may want to move on from Trump, it would be being in a state of denial to say we are in an era where the GQP is not now the party of Trumpism. Making Trump look stupid is also making Trumpism look stupid. We can't move on from that, we have to BEAT that.

Like I said, partisans tend to view things this way but the rest of the electorate does not

While I agree with your political positions, the era of Clinton and Obama is extinct. This is exactly while Democrats will lose, being stuck in the past. Those days are long gone. 2022 and 2024 will be even completely different than 2016 and 2020. Thinking of the American political arena in the context of either Bill Clinton or Obama will guarantee a loss. Biden pulled it off but just barely in a few key states. That is way way too close for my comfort. That will not happen again. If the election was a popular vote, that would be one thing. But it isn't. And being meek in the face of Trumpism in the midterms is going to fail miserably as well.

Biden just literally won by doing the opposite of what you want, and he won by one of the largest margins over an incumbent in modern history.

If the Democrats can't come up with a few viable options to take on Trump in a super simple format where each person gets a turn to speak, mics turned off and on and clocks clearly showing they each get the same time, and make him look foolish, then they deserve to lose. Trump is off his rocker and is only getting worse, you can make him look stupid and nuts in a debate with the right demeanour and approach. You need someone strong, that won't take bullshit, will call out bullshit directly. Again, straight talk with constant direct rebuttals to the opponent, something the Dems suck at. They are too intellectual and pussyfoot around being confrontational in the slightest. That may work with people with master's degrees and PhD's, but it's not enough to win elections going forward. People want a leader that can also look tough, not just smart. At least the Dems I've spoken too, including some quiet types like my Mom who are like wtf are the Dems holding back for.

Again, conflict appeals to partisans but as you saw with Trump it energizes the opposition just as much as your guys so it’s often self defeating.

The various rules based solutions will not stop Trump, and it’s pointless to try. Again, you’re playing into his hands - there’s a reason he wants a debate.

 

[MrSquished]

Like I said, partisans tend to view things this way but the rest of the electorate does not


Biden just literally won by doing the opposite of what you want, and he won by one of the largest margins over an incumbent in modern history.


Again, conflict appeals to partisans but as you saw with Trump it energizes the opposition just as much as your guys so it’s often self defeating.

The various rules based solutions will not stop Trump, and it’s pointless to try. Again, you’re playing into his hands - there’s a reason he wants a debate.

Largest margins, in a popular vote. Again, as I said, if a popular vote was all we had to worry about then no biggie. But we have to win swing states by bigger margins to overcome voter suppression and potential attempts to alter the results. Your statement that Biden won by historic numbers is very misleading, considering we were sitting on pins and needles for days waiting to see if Biden would squeak by in a few key states.

And I'm pretty sure if Trump was more forcibly shut down by a smart but ballsy opponent he would have lost by more.

You are mistaking having a backbone with plain straight talk to being a partisan dickhead. Everybody loves seeing the bully being taken down by a smart ballsy guy that's still polite, think back to the future

 

[fskimospy]

Largest margins, in a popular vote. Again, as I said, if a popular vote was all we had to worry about then no biggie. But we have to win swing states by bigger margins to overcome voter suppression and potential attempts to alter the results. Your statement that Biden won by historic numbers is very misleading, considering we were sitting on pins and needles for days waiting to see if Biden would squeak by in a few key states.

And I'm pretty sure if Trump was more forcibly shut down by a smart but ballsy opponent he would have lost by more.

You are mistaking having a backbone with plain straight talk to being a partisan dickhead. Everybody loves seeing the bully being taken down by a smart ballsy guy that's still polite, think back to the future

I’m not sure what to say other than I think you’re confusing your desires with what voters want.

Can you show me any polling that shows voters want more conflict and direct attacks on Trump?

 

[DisarmedDespot]

I don't think that in the slightest. I think barely any would, though a few might. What I want is for some to stay home in disgust, I can't support Trump nor other candidates that stand by him. Every Republican that stays home is what I want.

Uh-huh. And a bad debate performance would make these idiots, who are a-ok voting for the man who wants to bang his own daughter, suddenly realize Trump's a shithead and not vote, despite 10 million more deplorables showing up for him in 2020? This is fantasy. There's no line in the sand they won't let him cross. He can be as a crude and stupid as he wants and fail at literally everything his administration tried, but they'll still worship him like a god. A bad debate performance never hurt him before and it won't hurt him now, no matter how 'ballsy' the other guy is at pointing out the obvious.

Those soundbytes were him talking on his own, not with a skilled orator talking straight talk right back at him and making him look stupid and nuts to his face. It's not a good comparison at all.

So you're going to argue that someone 'talking straight talk right back at him' is gonna be more damning than the awful shit Trump actually said himself? He's been fact-checked and rebutted millions of times, he's misbehaved like a toddler in debates and completely failed at even understanding the questions. How does having a 'ballsy' opponent suddenly do what everything before has not?

I mean literally Trump getting so flustered and owned that he walks off the stage on a national stage would be a huge win for Dems on the national ticket and downballot, since the majority of GQP candidates are all big Trumpies.

No, Trump gets flustered all the damn time. He whines and bitches constantly and cries the moment something doesn't go completely his way. What makes this any different? '

 

[shortylickens]

He knows deep down inside he cant debate. Thats not his mission. His mission is to look cool for the brain dead voting block known as American conservatives. He scores points with people too ignorant to know they are all wrong about most of the issues.
The republican agenda is to "Win" not to run a successful nation.

 

[JEDIYoda]

All Trump wants to do is resurrect all the lies.....