Well I don't "Autotip" with the exception of going to pubs... I tip the barkeep $1.00 / drink automatically. I find when I do this I get immediate attention when there is a lineup plus I get a lot of "buy backs" (of course the $1 a drink helped pay for them but it is nice!!) that and next time I visit the club again I get instant service and go past the "line"
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<< Still find it so absurd? >>
I just find it sad that you've put this much thought into it...
When you walk around, do you look at the ground hoping to find loose change? >>
Mwahuahahahahahaha....
One time we were out to eat and it took the waiter about 15 minutes from the time we got seated until he greeted us and got our drink order. It then took another 25 minutes to get our food which is usually the kitchen's fault, but in our case every other waiter had their table's food out in about 10 minutes. Then while we were eating he came over to us not to check and see if we needed anything, but to tell us that he was going on break! Needless to say we did not leave him a tip.
That is the only time I have not left a tip. Other times I leave it based on the sweet tea scale. I count the number of teas I get and leave a dollar for each. I usually drink about 4-5 glasses and the bill is usually about $25 so it seems pretty fair. Of course if the bill is alot more then I add to this until it seems good.
That is the only time I have not left a tip. Other times I leave it based on the sweet tea scale. I count the number of teas I get and leave a dollar for each. I usually drink about 4-5 glasses and the bill is usually about $25 so it seems pretty fair. Of course if the bill is alot more then I add to this until it seems good.
Actually try waiting tables and you will see what we are talking bout. Also I like to have good service and you get what you pay for.
I've worked at McD's for the past 3yrs (gone now ). I've taken a lot of heat from the customers too, especially working in drive-thru, where in one-to-one contacts customers tend to reveal more of their true selves. God how many times have I seen the less tolerant female employees just run to the back of drive-thru, break down and cry.
I and many do our job and do it well, tips or no tips. That's our job. Between front-end counter cashier, the cooks, and the drive-thru people, drive-thru works the hardest and takes in the most. The cooks (depending on how the kitchen is designed) tend to be more of the slackers. Front end people have their fair share of work and slack off time.
I often get offers of tips from the friendly and well-known customers. I don't accept, yet its enough to give me that fuzzy feeling inside to put in that extra effort. I don't get tips, yet I still do my job and do it well? Now why is that? While some people get 5-10% less in tips than the norm, but yet they're still pissed? Its a different environment I guess? Different expectations?
AmusedOne - I somewhat disagree with you in your statement about non-tipping service workers. Do you believe that to be more of the norm or the exception? We all have encountered different people at different times under different circumstances.
Behind the counter, I'm an server person. In front of the counter, I'm a customer like everyone else. I know how it feels to be a customer, that's why I work with customers in mind. I do the extra mile, not hoping for any gratuities much more than a "thanks" . It all comes down to attitude and behaviour, and how well the person was brought up.
Understaffing is also a cause for less than desired service. And that is the fault of management for being so cheap, making their employees suffer from exhaustive and stressful workloads, while they make their month end budget (cost) look good for upper management. I've been there, trust me. At times it does gets to me and brings out the worst in me, as nice a fellow as I am. Having an hour rush in drive-thru by myself (typically need 2 workers in drive thru for good flow and low wait times) with the drive-thru line jammed packed full all the way out to the street with 10+ vehicles. In such extreme times, team work is VERY crucial. When you depend on the fellas up front to do their job and they're slacking, that really ticks me off. Also, when time is crucial, your customers take forever to take an order (or gives you multiple separate orders on separate bills causing a major backup!!), then change an order, take forever to pay (with loads of change), then drive-thru wait times really stack up. Out of 10 vehicles, one or two customers like the one above is a combo for MAJOR disaster. Imagine how many unhappy customers there would be in such cases? Now is that my fault? My co-workers fault? Managements faut? Or the customers fault? You tell me. At McD's, sometimes its the customers that is being a pain and comes down the chain, and affects every other customers' level of service too (in many cases, wait time is used as a measurement for QoS).
3 Vehicles pulls into drive thru all expecting to get in and out no more than 3 minutes. 2nd vehicle pulls in 1 minute after 1st vehicle. 3rd vehicle pulls in another 1 minute after 2nd vehicle. 1st vehicle takes 4 minutes to order, another minute to pay, and another minute to receive product. Total time for 1st customer is 6 minutes. 2nd customer's already waited 5 minutes in line to be serviced, only held back by the 1st car. 3rd customer, same thing, waited 4 minutes in line before receiving service. Its a chain effect. Yet when it comes down to it, we take the heat for what was the customer's inconsiderations for others behind him.
I've been in many of the above circumstances many many times. I do get very frustrated, and have broken down in some cases. But I have learned to make such cases more manageable and efficient.
So yes, I've taken a lot of heat too. How hard do I work as compared to waiters/waitresses at mid/high class restaurants? I would say equally as hard and providing equivalent service. So do you think it is fair that some people in the service industry is deserving of a tip, while others are not?
I guess my point is one should not use the probable receipt of tips as basis for his/her providing quality service. I don't receive tips, yet I work my arse off. Go figure....
). I've taken a lot of heat from the customers too, especially working in drive-thru, where in one-to-one contacts customers tend to reveal more of their true selves. God how many times have I seen the less tolerant female employees just run to the back of drive-thru, break down and cry. I and many do our job and do it well, tips or no tips. That's our job. Between front-end counter cashier, the cooks, and the drive-thru people, drive-thru works the hardest and takes in the most. The cooks (depending on how the kitchen is designed) tend to be more of the slackers. Front end people have their fair share of work and slack off time.
I often get offers of tips from the friendly and well-known customers. I don't accept, yet its enough to give me that fuzzy feeling inside to put in that extra effort. I don't get tips, yet I still do my job and do it well? Now why is that? While some people get 5-10% less in tips than the norm, but yet they're still pissed? Its a different environment I guess? Different expectations?
AmusedOne - I somewhat disagree with you in your statement about non-tipping service workers. Do you believe that to be more of the norm or the exception? We all have encountered different people at different times under different circumstances.
Behind the counter, I'm an server person. In front of the counter, I'm a customer like everyone else. I know how it feels to be a customer, that's why I work with customers in mind. I do the extra mile, not hoping for any gratuities much more than a "thanks" . It all comes down to attitude and behaviour, and how well the person was brought up.
Understaffing is also a cause for less than desired service. And that is the fault of management for being so cheap, making their employees suffer from exhaustive and stressful workloads, while they make their month end budget (cost) look good for upper management. I've been there, trust me. At times it does gets to me and brings out the worst in me, as nice a fellow as I am. Having an hour rush in drive-thru by myself (typically need 2 workers in drive thru for good flow and low wait times) with the drive-thru line jammed packed full all the way out to the street with 10+ vehicles. In such extreme times, team work is VERY crucial. When you depend on the fellas up front to do their job and they're slacking, that really ticks me off. Also, when time is crucial, your customers take forever to take an order (or gives you multiple separate orders on separate bills causing a major backup!!), then change an order, take forever to pay (with loads of change), then drive-thru wait times really stack up. Out of 10 vehicles, one or two customers like the one above is a combo for MAJOR disaster. Imagine how many unhappy customers there would be in such cases? Now is that my fault? My co-workers fault? Managements faut? Or the customers fault? You tell me. At McD's, sometimes its the customers that is being a pain and comes down the chain, and affects every other customers' level of service too (in many cases, wait time is used as a measurement for QoS).
3 Vehicles pulls into drive thru all expecting to get in and out no more than 3 minutes. 2nd vehicle pulls in 1 minute after 1st vehicle. 3rd vehicle pulls in another 1 minute after 2nd vehicle. 1st vehicle takes 4 minutes to order, another minute to pay, and another minute to receive product. Total time for 1st customer is 6 minutes. 2nd customer's already waited 5 minutes in line to be serviced, only held back by the 1st car. 3rd customer, same thing, waited 4 minutes in line before receiving service. Its a chain effect. Yet when it comes down to it, we take the heat for what was the customer's inconsiderations for others behind him.
I've been in many of the above circumstances many many times. I do get very frustrated, and have broken down in some cases. But I have learned to make such cases more manageable and efficient.
So yes, I've taken a lot of heat too. How hard do I work as compared to waiters/waitresses at mid/high class restaurants? I would say equally as hard and providing equivalent service. So do you think it is fair that some people in the service industry is deserving of a tip, while others are not?
I guess my point is one should not use the probable receipt of tips as basis for his/her providing quality service. I don't receive tips, yet I work my arse off. Go figure....
I expect a reverse-tip where the waiter tips me for allowing him to bring me food. If its a chick, I'll leave a tip porportional to her looks and how flirty she was.
As a guy who worked in an italian restraunt for three years, I have to support Epsil0n00. Even though the waitresses/waitors where payed less than I was, it still was unfair. I Made about $6.50/hr at the place and the waitresses made about $3.30/hr in the place, now who works harder?
I could be working my ass off with takeout orders which the waitresses never touch, and they'll still make at least half of what I do if they served nobody for that same hour, and what's worse is for that whole hour, if they got just one table, they would probably get tipped at least that $3.00 and bring them above what I'm making, on top of that, I would have still made the food that the customer was eating.
Not to say it was the best paying job I ever had, but let's just say that I was getting paid $10.00/hr and the waitress was still getting $3.30 an hour if you average 3 dollars tip, per table, that's 3 tables in one hour that it would take to put them over $10.00/hr, in fact that would put them at $12.90 an hour. Now I consider that to be a severe understatement because most people tip more than 3 dollars, not everyone uses the 3 point system like Epsil0n00, most people go by a percent of the meal which usually ends up being more than $3.00 per table. So screw anyone who thinks that waitresses and waitors have it unfair.
If you wanted fair then you'd tip everyone who did you a service when you got your meal, (i.e. - Hostesses, Cooks, Waitresses would all be tipped in one tip.), either that or the waitresses and waitors would work for free and they'd legitametly have to be nice to you to be deserving of their tip, because if they didn't, they wouldn't get paid at all.
I could be working my ass off with takeout orders which the waitresses never touch, and they'll still make at least half of what I do if they served nobody for that same hour, and what's worse is for that whole hour, if they got just one table, they would probably get tipped at least that $3.00 and bring them above what I'm making, on top of that, I would have still made the food that the customer was eating.
Not to say it was the best paying job I ever had, but let's just say that I was getting paid $10.00/hr and the waitress was still getting $3.30 an hour if you average 3 dollars tip, per table, that's 3 tables in one hour that it would take to put them over $10.00/hr, in fact that would put them at $12.90 an hour. Now I consider that to be a severe understatement because most people tip more than 3 dollars, not everyone uses the 3 point system like Epsil0n00, most people go by a percent of the meal which usually ends up being more than $3.00 per table. So screw anyone who thinks that waitresses and waitors have it unfair.
If you wanted fair then you'd tip everyone who did you a service when you got your meal, (i.e. - Hostesses, Cooks, Waitresses would all be tipped in one tip.), either that or the waitresses and waitors would work for free and they'd legitametly have to be nice to you to be deserving of their tip, because if they didn't, they wouldn't get paid at all.
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<< Well, that has to do with why i leave tips in the first place. Not because i'm "expected" to, but to help those who are poorer than i am. If the person is richer than i am, they no longer require my help. Therefore, i leave no tip. Clear enough for ya? >>
If you go to a restaraunt that has waiters/waitreses you should know that currently the going rate for average service is 15% tip. More or less depending on quality. If you cannot afford this or don't like it DON'T EAT THERE!
It has absolutely nothing to do with what you make, that's for sure.
I caught a movie or TV show once that a guy put the tip on the table at the beginning of the meal and would take away money as service got poor. He told the waiter something like this:
"I plan on spending $100 here tonight. 20% of a $100 is $20. Here is the $20. (slaps the dollar bills onto the table) You will now see what affect you have on your tip."
Funny as hell. I did that to a friend at a bar just to be an A$$Hole. Well, as soon as he saw me put the money down he grabbed it and pointed to a sign behind him that said "Assholes who put their money on the bar forego the right to keep said money."...... Lesson learned.
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"I plan on spending $100 here tonight. 20% of a $100 is $20. Here is the $20. (slaps the dollar bills onto the table) You will now see what affect you have on your tip."
Funny as hell. I did that to a friend at a bar just to be an A$$Hole. Well, as soon as he saw me put the money down he grabbed it and pointed to a sign behind him that said "Assholes who put their money on the bar forego the right to keep said money."...... Lesson learned.
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My take:
Eps, you are very good at making excuses to keep your money in your pocket. That is all your original post is all about. You don't want to have to open your wallet any farther than you have to. We all know it, so you might as well admit it.
When I first met my wife, she was a waitress in a small family restaurant. She made $2.35 per hour. Her weekly paycheck, AFTER taxes were taken out, totaled approx. $18.00. Epsilon, do you expect her to live on $18 a week? Hmmm.. Let's think about it. JACKASS.
She would usually get $60-$90 a day in tips, which made up for the low pay. She is a very friendly and beautiful girl, so I'm sure she made more than most of the other girls. There is a reason 15% gratuity is expected in America. IT IS SO THE WAITRESS CAN HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. Moron.
If you want to get away with not tipping, then move to Europe, you will find plenty of supporters for your stupid petition. If you choose to live in America, and continue to eat out, then be a man and pay for your service.
You say you go and pick up your food at the carryout window so you don't have to tip. YOU ASSHAT, with the money you spend on gas, the time you wasted driving, the lost time you could have spent finding a cure for cancer, you could have just given the driver a tip, and spent the same!!! USE YOUR HEAD.
Eps, you are very good at making excuses to keep your money in your pocket. That is all your original post is all about. You don't want to have to open your wallet any farther than you have to. We all know it, so you might as well admit it.
When I first met my wife, she was a waitress in a small family restaurant. She made $2.35 per hour. Her weekly paycheck, AFTER taxes were taken out, totaled approx. $18.00. Epsilon, do you expect her to live on $18 a week? Hmmm.. Let's think about it. JACKASS.
She would usually get $60-$90 a day in tips, which made up for the low pay. She is a very friendly and beautiful girl, so I'm sure she made more than most of the other girls. There is a reason 15% gratuity is expected in America. IT IS SO THE WAITRESS CAN HAVE A PLACE TO LIVE. Moron.
If you want to get away with not tipping, then move to Europe, you will find plenty of supporters for your stupid petition. If you choose to live in America, and continue to eat out, then be a man and pay for your service.
You say you go and pick up your food at the carryout window so you don't have to tip. YOU ASSHAT, with the money you spend on gas, the time you wasted driving, the lost time you could have spent finding a cure for cancer, you could have just given the driver a tip, and spent the same!!! USE YOUR HEAD.
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When i tip it's usually to round the figure off, so the level varies quite a bit.
The only exception is the pizza delivery: If they're faster than the expected time I tip them al lot, if they're slower the tip will be almost excistant. Delivery time has gone down significantly since i introduced this system
The only exception is the pizza delivery: If they're faster than the expected time I tip them al lot, if they're slower the tip will be almost excistant. Delivery time has gone down significantly since i introduced this system
Eug
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I worked in the food industry, and it made me hate bad waiters/waitresses even more. I was a bus boy, janitor, and cook, and some of the waiters would hoard or hide the money that we deserved a cut of too.
Also: My ex-GF is deathly allergic to one type of nuts. She went to this restaurant and considered ordering a dessert. She asked the waiter if there was any pine nuts used in its preparation. He said no because it wasn't listed on the menu. WTF? So she said to ask the cook. So he mumbled something and came back later with the food and said there are none of those nuts in the dessert. So she ordered it and ended up in the hospital. Asking the cook later it was clear that the waiter didn't even ask him. And to top it all off, he demanded a 15% tip at the end and felt justified because the usual policy is to include 15% on the bill for groups of 6 or more.
I usually tip around 15%. If I get sub-par service I will tip 10%. If I get truly bad service I will tip 0-5 % (rare). I even left once without paying for the food because it arrived 2 hours after I ordered. (I didn't eat it - I just got up and left.) If I get very good service I will tip 15-25%, although I won't tip 25% in a posh restaurant since I don't think a waiter deserves a $25+ tip per person, ever, for pouring wine and bringing my food. Even if the money gets spread around, if I'm spending a hundred bucks on myself for a meal (admittedly rare), IMO even a 20% tip is ludicrous.
Also: My ex-GF is deathly allergic to one type of nuts. She went to this restaurant and considered ordering a dessert. She asked the waiter if there was any pine nuts used in its preparation. He said no because it wasn't listed on the menu. WTF? So she said to ask the cook. So he mumbled something and came back later with the food and said there are none of those nuts in the dessert. So she ordered it and ended up in the hospital. Asking the cook later it was clear that the waiter didn't even ask him. And to top it all off, he demanded a 15% tip at the end and felt justified because the usual policy is to include 15% on the bill for groups of 6 or more.
I usually tip around 15%. If I get sub-par service I will tip 10%. If I get truly bad service I will tip 0-5 % (rare). I even left once without paying for the food because it arrived 2 hours after I ordered. (I didn't eat it - I just got up and left.) If I get very good service I will tip 15-25%, although I won't tip 25% in a posh restaurant since I don't think a waiter deserves a $25+ tip per person, ever, for pouring wine and bringing my food. Even if the money gets spread around, if I'm spending a hundred bucks on myself for a meal (admittedly rare), IMO even a 20% tip is ludicrous.
Cranking up wages has many implications.
For the employer -
1) Increases amount of FICA they are liable for. 7.65% of your adjusted gross is FICA.
2) Increases unemployment taxes.
3) Increases "payroll" tax for states that have it.
4) Increases of reportable revenue because items are being charged more. Thus, increased taxes.
Larger chains offer employee benefits as well. Since the employees would be grossing more out of the coffers of the corporation, they could -
5) Enroll in 401(k). Company would then be liable for matching increased wage. For example, 50% of up to 6% of what an employee contributes.
6) I'd go out on a limb and suspect someone making $10 an hour would be more willing to enroll in health insurance than someone making $2.15. Insurance costs are a killer for a company.
These of course would get tossed into meal cost as "overhead".
Of course it could be argued that there would be an influx of tax revenue. EIC would still exist, although not as bad since the cut off is around $30K. Of course how EIC is calculated for payroll advance is the goofiest tax calculation I've ever seen.
As for federal taxes, they are calculated at levels. For a biweekly pay scale, the first 10% level ends at 329 for single. 15% ends at 1140. Nothing a few exemptions/deductions can't be taken care of for a person come tax time.
For the employer -
1) Increases amount of FICA they are liable for. 7.65% of your adjusted gross is FICA.
2) Increases unemployment taxes.
3) Increases "payroll" tax for states that have it.
4) Increases of reportable revenue because items are being charged more. Thus, increased taxes.
Larger chains offer employee benefits as well. Since the employees would be grossing more out of the coffers of the corporation, they could -
5) Enroll in 401(k). Company would then be liable for matching increased wage. For example, 50% of up to 6% of what an employee contributes.
6) I'd go out on a limb and suspect someone making $10 an hour would be more willing to enroll in health insurance than someone making $2.15. Insurance costs are a killer for a company.
These of course would get tossed into meal cost as "overhead".
Of course it could be argued that there would be an influx of tax revenue. EIC would still exist, although not as bad since the cut off is around $30K. Of course how EIC is calculated for payroll advance is the goofiest tax calculation I've ever seen.
As for federal taxes, they are calculated at levels. For a biweekly pay scale, the first 10% level ends at 329 for single. 15% ends at 1140. Nothing a few exemptions/deductions can't be taken care of for a person come tax time.
No matter how you spin it, or who your wife is, or how little she gets paid, it is not the responsibility of the customer to complete the pay of that waiter/ess--that is the job of the EMPLOYER. Tips are not pay.
<< with the money you spend on gas, the time you wasted driving, the lost time you could have spent finding a cure for cancer, you could have just given the driver a tip, and spent the same!!! USE YOUR HEAD. >>
I live one block in either direction from 2 pizza places. Are you really telling me that I ought to drive a block? Probably not. Did you know that I live so close to 2 pizza shops, probably not. Are you assuming things you don't know and being rude, YES!
I feel no sympathy for people that whine about their jobs. It is not my fault that your employer is allowed by the government to pay you less and "pass these savings onto the customer." I have absolutely no problem at all with tipping, when it is deserved. This is not about stingyness or greed, but more about common sense and thinking about why we do the things we do. Furthermore, this is not about me, so you can stop with personal attacks.
<< with the money you spend on gas, the time you wasted driving, the lost time you could have spent finding a cure for cancer, you could have just given the driver a tip, and spent the same!!! USE YOUR HEAD. >>
I live one block in either direction from 2 pizza places. Are you really telling me that I ought to drive a block? Probably not. Did you know that I live so close to 2 pizza shops, probably not. Are you assuming things you don't know and being rude, YES!
I feel no sympathy for people that whine about their jobs. It is not my fault that your employer is allowed by the government to pay you less and "pass these savings onto the customer." I have absolutely no problem at all with tipping, when it is deserved. This is not about stingyness or greed, but more about common sense and thinking about why we do the things we do. Furthermore, this is not about me, so you can stop with personal attacks.
<< Furthermore, this is not about me, so you can stop with personal attacks. >>
Yes, it is about you...you are cheap, that is all. There are no excuses to be made.
<< Its obvious that you have never waited tables in your life. The standard wage for waiters in any half decent resturant is 2.15 an hour. So if more people were as cheap you I would have busted a** for 8 hours for 16 bucks. Since tipping is a standard, get over it and pay up. I suggest you get a job waiting tables to see what it is really like, then tell me you don't want to tip. I am a poor college student and even though I no longer wait tables, I still tip well if the service warrents it. If you can't aford to tipping properly you shouldn't be eating out. >>
Epsil0n00, do you really believe that "normal service deserves no tip! They have to give normal service to keep their job. Only reward EXTRAordinary service with a gift of cash." and that the job only deserves $2.15 an hour (less than half minimum wage)? You say that you're trying to cause a paradigm shift by not tipping, but as long as you frequent restaraunts with waitstaff then you're not changing anything. The owner/employer still makes his money, you're just stiffing the waiter. If you really wanted to do something about industry, then you would stop eating anywhere with a waitstaff. If you could convince enough other people to do the same thing -then- you might cause a change.
So, you say you enjoy eating out at restaraunts and will continue to do so? Why? What makes it different than eating at home? Oh, the convenience & service??? Having someone wait on you? Refilling your drinks, bringing you whatever you ask? Do you think you should have to pay for that service, or that it should just be free?
I've worked for tips before and as anyone else here would tell you, if you tried it you would stop being such a jerk. If I receive good service I tip very well. If I receive excellent service I tip very, very well. And if I receive bad service I'm just as quick to point out the problem & if it doesn't get resolved I tip accordingly.
But for you to say that they're getting paid for what they do doesn't come close to recognizing what's it's worth for someone to deal with a customer like yourself.
Did anyone see my insight? and I don't care if you work at a McDonalds drive through window? how is that any different than being a cashier to those who use the "dining room"? Big deal, one person is in their car... most McDonalds that i've been into they have thier own drink dispencers... the cashier just gives you your food and a cup. Screw that... you want a tip because you got me a drink plus my meal?
While we're on the topic, here's one of my personal pet peeves:
When you're paying with cash; say the bill is $28.75. You give the waiter/waitress two $20 bills and then he/she comes back with your receipt and a $10 bill (keeping the remaining $1.25 without saying anything to you about it). In this case I'll either assume that they've taken out the appropriate amount (less than 5% of the tab) and leave it at that, or if I'm really pissed about it I'll ask for the remaining change and stiff them altogether.
When you're paying with cash; say the bill is $28.75. You give the waiter/waitress two $20 bills and then he/she comes back with your receipt and a $10 bill (keeping the remaining $1.25 without saying anything to you about it). In this case I'll either assume that they've taken out the appropriate amount (less than 5% of the tab) and leave it at that, or if I'm really pissed about it I'll ask for the remaining change and stiff them altogether.
<< Also: My ex-GF is deathly allergic to one type of nuts. She went to this restaurant and considered ordering a dessert. She asked the waiter if there was any pine nuts used in its preparation. He said no because it wasn't listed on the menu. WTF? So she said to ask the cook. So he mumbled something and came back later with the food and said there are none of those nuts in the dessert. So she ordered it and ended up in the hospital. Asking the cook later it was clear that the waiter didn't even ask him. And to top it all off, he demanded a 15% tip at the end and felt justified because the usual policy is to include 15% on the bill for groups of 6 or more. >>
Did she tell him that she was deathly allergic to them? If so, she should have sued. It could even be considered a criminal action.
You are nothing more than a bitter cheapskate. Just because it is not required to tip someone doesn't mean it's right not to. Just because they are making minimum wage does not mean that they are not doing the work of someone making a lot more, therefore maybe they deserve a little extra. Hey, if you don't want to tip, don't, but don't expect the pizza delivery guy to rush to get to your house first, and don't expect the milkman to put your milk and eggs just the way you like it in the box with a rock on top, so the neighborhood cat cannot get into the box.
I'd love to see you in the service industry and not get tipped. I'm certain you would be one of the people posting here saying "wtf, why don't people tip me, don't they know i'm only making five bucks an hour trying to pay my way through college?".
If I like the way someone is doing their job and I want them to continue doing a good job for me, and not just what they have to do to get by, i'm tipping them. They deserve it, and i'd feel I did too if I were them. I know because I drove a cab, and if I didn't get tipped, I felt no need to pick people up when they called if I chose not to, unless I knew they were poor and really couldn't afford to tip me. I either told them we were to busy, or gave them some other excuse. It pays to be nice to the people in the service industries who do a good job for you, and it makes them want to do even better.
The reason most of these buisnesses pay minimum wage is because they count on their employees being tipped. They also advertise it that way when they hire new people. They say "great job, great pay, between 12 and 14 dollars for hard workers.", so people think they are getting a good job, and when they apply they are told that most of their pay is made up of tips.
So you people who say that they are being payed already and you don't think they deserve to be tipped, would you like it if you worked your ass off for minimum wage and made most of your salary by tips and you are hoping for tips, and then people didn't tip you?
They would not find many people to fill these positions were it not for tipping, so they would have to raise the pay rates, along with their prices, which either way you will feel in the pocket in the end.
So continue not tipping and thinking you are in the right, just because it is your right. You will continue getting service inferior to the service I get, just for the sake of a buck or two.
I'd love to see you in the service industry and not get tipped. I'm certain you would be one of the people posting here saying "wtf, why don't people tip me, don't they know i'm only making five bucks an hour trying to pay my way through college?".
If I like the way someone is doing their job and I want them to continue doing a good job for me, and not just what they have to do to get by, i'm tipping them. They deserve it, and i'd feel I did too if I were them. I know because I drove a cab, and if I didn't get tipped, I felt no need to pick people up when they called if I chose not to, unless I knew they were poor and really couldn't afford to tip me. I either told them we were to busy, or gave them some other excuse. It pays to be nice to the people in the service industries who do a good job for you, and it makes them want to do even better.
The reason most of these buisnesses pay minimum wage is because they count on their employees being tipped. They also advertise it that way when they hire new people. They say "great job, great pay, between 12 and 14 dollars for hard workers.", so people think they are getting a good job, and when they apply they are told that most of their pay is made up of tips.
So you people who say that they are being payed already and you don't think they deserve to be tipped, would you like it if you worked your ass off for minimum wage and made most of your salary by tips and you are hoping for tips, and then people didn't tip you?
They would not find many people to fill these positions were it not for tipping, so they would have to raise the pay rates, along with their prices, which either way you will feel in the pocket in the end.
So continue not tipping and thinking you are in the right, just because it is your right. You will continue getting service inferior to the service I get, just for the sake of a buck or two.
despite my experiences in the restraunt buisness... I still tip, and usually I don't leave a percentage and I don't start with a certain amount and work my way down, I usually see what tab was and then like leave anywheres from a dollar to 5 dollars, and usually what I leave really doesn't depend on the service, if someone just gives me my food, that's one thing, but if they give me my food and decide to make a little conversation while doing it, that's another thing.
But when I was working at the restruant, I could stand that at the end of the night I walked out tired, run down, covered in flour and the waitresses where sitting in the dining room, counting their money that they would take home that night. I had no sympathy for them when they'd whine that they didn't get a tip from one table...
But when I was working at the restruant, I could stand that at the end of the night I walked out tired, run down, covered in flour and the waitresses where sitting in the dining room, counting their money that they would take home that night. I had no sympathy for them when they'd whine that they didn't get a tip from one table...
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