here we go! Wisconsin recount is happening

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1prophet

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Jill Stein is having second thoughts after bashing Hillary?

Jill stein provides Hillary with plausible deniability, if the recount is in the Democrats favor Hillary benefits, if the recount goes the other way, Jill Stein is the patsy that takes the fall.

Ask yourself why is Jill Stein so interested in a recount when it should be Hillary who should be the one calling for it since the outcome affects her not Jill Stein.
 

buckshot24

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I specified the conditions under which they would or wouldn't. You have, have you not, already professed yourself to be a professed lover of gloating!

I find you lacking in moral fiber because, when confronted with the sins of the right, you always deflect to the sins of the left to deny the validity of your own reality. When you can tell me what a worthless piece of shit you are, how much you're just like me, we can have a real discussion. I find my joy in gloating to be morally disgusting but I don't find that making me immune to it. How about you, angel?
I came back to gloat but that doesn't mean I am still here to gloat, I haven't done much of that lately. I don't think the lefties here gloating if Trump was somehow dethroned would be any worse than when I rubbed him winning in their faces.
 

Commodus

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If by some miracle there are enough reversed vote counts to turn the election in Clinton's favor, I would try not to gloat... I would just be thankful that the US had a vaguely competent politician again, and that the White House would continue to respect basic concepts like science.
 
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buckshot24

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Jill stein provides Hillary with plausible deniability, if the recount is in the Democrats favor Hillary benefits, if the recount goes the other way, Jill Stein is the patsy that takes the fall.

Ask yourself why is Jill Stein so interested in a recount when it should be Hillary who should be the one calling for it since the outcome affects her not Jill Stein.
Only a lunatic would think a recount were going to amount to a change in one of the states, let alone 2 out of 3.
 

Commodus

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Jill stein provides Hillary with plausible deniability, if the recount is in the Democrats favor Hillary benefits, if the recount goes the other way, Jill Stein is the patsy that takes the fall.

Ask yourself why is Jill Stein so interested in a recount when it should be Hillary who should be the one calling for it since the outcome affects her not Jill Stein.

Actually, it makes a ton of sense for Stein to do this even though she knows it'd be Clinton who wins and not her.

This would be a long-term play. If Stein manages to avert a Trump presidency or at least narrow the gap, many people on the left will remember her. How much does that improve the Green Party's chances in 2020? It won't make Stein President, but it could increase votes and even get seats in Congress.
 

IGBT

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hillary won by the skin of her teeth in a handful states..those will have to be audited too.
 
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Jill stein provides Hillary with plausible deniability, if the recount is in the Democrats favor Hillary benefits, if the recount goes the other way, Jill Stein is the patsy that takes the fall.

Ask yourself why is Jill Stein so interested in a recount when it should be Hillary who should be the one calling for it since the outcome affects her not Jill Stein.
Because she's being paid big dollars to do it. Most likely an offer for a cabinet position or policy input if it pans out. It's not as if the Greens or the Democrats are weighed down by ethics after all. The end always justifies the means for them.
 

JSt0rm

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look if problems are actually found in this one state you better believe every state should be recounted and checked for accuracy. Every state.
 
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look if problems are actually found in this one state you better believe every state should be recounted and checked for accuracy. Every state.
well I think we can let a few slide, like
AL, MI, MA, IL, CA, OK, TX, ND, SD, LA, TN, KY, NY, UT, WY, etc.
you know, the ones that are glaringly obviously leaning towards one candidate over another.
 

dawp

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Because she's being paid big dollars to do it. Most likely an offer for a cabinet position or policy input if it pans out. It's not as if the Greens or the Democrats are weighed down by ethics after all. The end always justifies the means for them.

and the republicans don't?
 

JSt0rm

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if this comes back as voter machines or the transmission of votes was actually hacked by a foreign country then this will be a bigger story then 9/11.
 

Commodus

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Because she's being paid big dollars to do it. Most likely an offer for a cabinet position or policy input if it pans out. It's not as if the Greens or the Democrats are weighed down by ethics after all. The end always justifies the means for them.

Evidence?
 

Sunburn74

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if this comes back as voter machines or the transmission of votes was actually hacked by a foreign country then this will be a bigger story then 9/11.
It will be a shit storm of historic proportions. And don't forget the supreme court is only 8 members currently due to red team tomfoolery.
 

buckshot24

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Michigan doesn't have electronic voter machines. There is absolutely nothing to see here.

I mentioned this in another thread about fake news sites. If a few sites making a few k per month is indicative of general gullibility of conservatives what does Stein getting over 4 million in donations on a complete and utter waste of time tell you?
 
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Michigan doesn't have electronic voter machines. There is absolutely nothing to see here.

I mentioned this in another thread about fake news sites. If a few sites making a few k per month is indicative of general gullibility of conservatives what does Stein getting over 4 million in donations on a complete and utter waste of time tell you?
well it's over 5 million, and since you're so confident, they should be able to do the WI recount along with MI and PA and it won't be a blip on your panic radar, right?
 

boomerang

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Jill stein provides Hillary with plausible deniability, if the recount is in the Democrats favor Hillary benefits, if the recount goes the other way, Jill Stein is the patsy that takes the fall.

Ask yourself why is Jill Stein so interested in a recount when it should be Hillary who should be the one calling for it since the outcome affects her not Jill Stein.
Bernie got a house for his "sacrifice". Stein can get one too. The only thing green she's interested in is cold hard cash.
 

BonzaiDuck

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well I think we can let a few slide, like
AL, MI, MA, IL, CA, OK, TX, ND, SD, LA, TN, KY, NY, UT, WY, etc.
you know, the ones that are glaringly obviously leaning towards one candidate over another.

I had posted earlier that one could begin an "investigation" with statistical sampling, and then move toward recount of the total population in those states. But you are definitely correct there.

CA went 62% for Clinton, and the diffuse nature of voting under each county government pretty much assures no "conspiracy" -- unless voting machines were hacked.

But it doesn't matter so much whether Clinton won or lost. What matters is the criminal nature of a fraud, especially if perpetrated primarily by one side.

It's one thing for a couple people to attempt voting twice, or any other such nonsense determined to be so insignificant that it can't justify voter suppression laws. It's another thing if precincts were hacked in their entirety.

You could try to be objective in the question as to whether the GOP or the Dems are more deceitful. I've seen enough over the last decade and more. Even at the individual level, there is a lapse of ethical thinking. My cousin, for instance.

Since Goldwater, he's always taken the Right position, based on myths in his brain. He thinks the Repubs will "help his business." Nothing at a political and national level helped his business, and the only one who hurt it was himself.

He called me in the middle of the Dem primary debate -- hoping to disrupt my attention with his questions about Windows 10. (Praise the Lord for Media Center and DVR). He attempted to argue that "we need somebody like Trump who is deceitful, because it keeps the rest of the world guessing." My cousin? I was born on planet earth! What planet is he from?!

that attitude confirms a contempt for the electorate. They need to be led around like sheep. It's all just a formality. The voters don't need any sound basis for good decision-making.

So -- no -- it isn't something that occurs on both sides to the same degree. I once suggested half-seriously to members of a local Dem PAC that we needed to engage in counter-propaganda -- perhaps even with a deceitful tilt. They all howled me down, before I could explain that I was only "half-serious" -- that it was for levity. My cousin certainly wasn't among them.

In a nutshell, they all said "We don't do that sort of thing!"

And if I even had the thought of it, it was because I lost my virginity and innocence as explained in a long post in Sonniku's thread about conservatives being misled.
 

Sinsear

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well it's over 5 million, and since you're so confident, they should be able to do the WI recount along with MI and PA and it won't be a blip on your panic radar, right?


If fraud is suspected they should be recounting every state; and the federal government should be paying for it. These are rather serious allegations that this woman is making.