dainthomas
Lifer
- Dec 7, 2004
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Fingolfin269
Lifer
- Feb 28, 2003
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Maybe everyone else will pay their city fire tax now or at least look into taxing their neighbors and form a rural FD. Not a difficult concept here.
ultimatebob
Lifer
- Jul 1, 2001
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Don't college students have after school JOBS in the UK, or are they all they all racking up student loan debt like you?
DesiPower
Lifer
- Nov 22, 2008
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I sympathize with the fire victims, loosing our home and your belongings is no fun, I hope noone ever has to go through it....
That being said, I don't see the fire dept doing anything wrong. Its outside city limits, you stay there to save money. if you want service you pay for it, if you stay inside city limits you have to pay in form of taxes. You live there to save money and when shit hits the fan you better be prepared for it.
People living on entitlement often forget their basic responsibility to the society... they obviously did not deserve it but neither was the fire department obligated to do something.
That being said, I don't see the fire dept doing anything wrong. Its outside city limits, you stay there to save money. if you want service you pay for it, if you stay inside city limits you have to pay in form of taxes. You live there to save money and when shit hits the fan you better be prepared for it.
People living on entitlement often forget their basic responsibility to the society... they obviously did not deserve it but neither was the fire department obligated to do something.
HAL9000
Lifer
- Oct 17, 2010
- 22,021
- 3
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We do, and I do. But my student loan I pay pack at the rate of inflation it is automatically taken at a very very small amount when / if I earn over £18k a year, if I don't it gets written off, it's barely debt. It won't cost me anything for a long time, If you are a uni student in the Uk and you don't have a student loan you are an idiot. It's the best loan you will ever get
sygyzy
Lifer
- Oct 21, 2000
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I don't disagree but having this be an optional service is pretty dumb public policy. Think of it this way 90% of people are going to take the service anyway, and anyone in the other 10% who has their house burn down is going to end up on welfare and food stamps anyway.
DesiPower
Lifer
- Nov 22, 2008
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Do you guys have the concept of State Universities and Private Universities? or its all nanny schools?
Didn't read but the first few posts, but if a free market fire department did this they'd go out of business. Also, part of the reason this happened was because this was a public fire dept. They're a monopoly, the market can't put them out of business. They can charge whatever they want to.
I really don't think that the people who run this fire department belong in civil society. They have nothing but contempt for the people who pay their salary.
I really don't think that the people who run this fire department belong in civil society. They have nothing but contempt for the people who pay their salary.
Capt Caveman
Lifer
- Jan 30, 2005
- 34,543
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You're not intelligent to understand the situation. Free market? Free market worked exactly the way you wanted it. These home owners have elected officials that agree with them to not charge them taxes to fund a Fire Dept.
They don't want to pay for Fire or Home Owner's Insurance yet expect a free hand-out.
Your stupid Free Market at work. The people that pay get the service and the one's that don't, don't.
But doesn't their county give the fire department a monopoly?
Don't get me wrong, devolution is good (it's actually currently being debated in the VA legislature and I hope that it happens, but powerful interests in NoVA don't want to pay for their own roads; it's a usual case of the elites not being able to handle decentralism) but taxes are high where I live because of all of the waste and because they won't repudiate the debt (the city has brought in a surplus at least for the past 2 years, but they're servicing the debt).
BoberFett
Lifer
- Oct 9, 1999
- 37,562
- 9
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It is dumb, but that's the way the citizes of that county voted. Is this a democracy or is it not? People that want to force people to have something even if the majority against it are amusing. Such cute little internet fascists.
The county has no fire department. It is a city fire department providing optional service to people outside the city.
- Oct 30, 2000
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- 5
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his taxable income level is below the minimum.
Similar to here in the US.
Until you actually earn $8K or such); your Federal and state income tax levels o not apply.
Student loans are not considered income and you can also lower your taxable income by counting your tuition.
Pay attention to the tax thread coming soon:biggrin:
- Feb 26, 2006
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You don't get it, do you?
The county has no fire department. The city fire department has offered to provide coverage to those who live outside the city limits for a small fee.
They have no legal obligation to do so, they have no authority to tax the residents who live outside the city limits...yet rather than leave these people totally unprotected, they have offered to help...IF the residents pay a small fee to help defray the costs of the service.
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
- Aug 20, 2000
- 20,577
- 432
- 126
I wonder if this is another sign that we'll start seeing a trend towards greater population density. It's not unreasonable for a fire department to have limits to which it will travel; as costs of everything go up, we really should be trying for greater efficiency, even if it means packing more people into less space.
BoberFett
Lifer
- Oct 9, 1999
- 37,562
- 9
- 81
NO
What the hell is wrong with some of you? If the US decided tomorrow that it wasn't going to have any military at all, can we demand that Canada replace all our troops in Afghanistan?
Patranus
Diamond Member
- Apr 15, 2007
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- Oct 30, 2000
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They support the people that pay their salary.
The leeches have contempt for them (FD)
The FD offered a solution to the leeches and it was ignored. The FD has no authority to force the solution down a persons throat.
They also open themselves up to liability by going after a fire outside their authorized jurisdiction.
If they are fighting a fire for "free" and a "paid" fire can not be handled as a result; who is at fault?
The FD was not trying to gouge anyone and people have the choice of setting up their own FD. they chose not to. Free Market.
Read the article and understand before jumping to your asinine conclusions.
As Boomer stated; what you are asking for is exactly what was provided.
You just made a bigger fool of yourself than before.
At least in P&N you start those types of threads so they can easily be evaluated in the beginning
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HardcoreRobot
Lifer
- Nov 7, 2000
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Baked
Lifer
- Dec 28, 2004
- 36,052
- 17
- 81
So they pretty much screwed themselves because they opt'd not to pay for the Fire Fighter fund.
It's one thing to be a good Samaritan and help out fellow men in need of help, but it's another when you have freeloaders who expect the same kind of service as other who've paid their due.
It's one thing to be a good Samaritan and help out fellow men in need of help, but it's another when you have freeloaders who expect the same kind of service as other who've paid their due.
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