HEEEERE Comes a new CoD game!

[purbeast0]

im just curious as to those of you that this does bother, having a sequel come out every year or two that isn't drastically different...

what is an example of an IP where they create sequels that actually satisfy you, where the changes are extremely drastic that it would actually warrant a purchase for you?

like, i'm seriously interested in what games fit this category for the ones in this camp, because i can't think of an IP off the top of my head that fits this category.

 

[Dankk]

So, typical elitist nonsense then. I already figured that, I just wanted to see you say it.

And those are just the easy comparisons. Do you want a list of the hundreds, maybe thousands of games I've played, starting with my Atari 2600?

You appear very eager to accuse people of being snobby or elitist. I didn't intend to sound elitist in my retort; you just happened to pick some very easy targets to support your lousy "all sequels are the same" argument.

And yes, go ahead and list the thousands of games you've played since the Atari. Because those other examples were terrible.

If we're going to cherry-pick games then: When I play sequels like The Witcher 2 and Red Orchestra 2, the difference is jarring. More things changed than remained the same. To a lesser extent, even Mass Effect 2 and Two Worlds 2 were considerably different from their predecessors (although not necessarily for the better).

But of course, it varies from game to game to game, so I won't argue something silly like "You're wrong. All sequels are different," because both you and I know that's wrong. Looking at my game library, there's a fair share of sequels that are, indeed, quite similar to their predecessors (CoD being the most notable, obvious example). But then there are also sequels like RO2 and TW2 that are mindblowing in how different they are.

It just bugs me when people make inaccurate, sweeping generalizations. When you said "there's as much difference between the CoD games as any other sequel", it made me cringe. Very few games have come close to the stagnation and recycled sludge of the CoD series.

 

[BD2003]

Perhaps difference is the wrong word to use to describe what I mean. Clearly the functional part of the game is very similar between them, undergoing evolution between games, not revolution. But it needs very little tweaking, just like Starcraft didn't need a total overhaul after a decade because the fundamentals are so strong.

All I really mean to say is that the whole madden or expansion pack comparison is just absolutely ridiculous. There is just no way I can take anyone serious that actually says that. Each one is every bit a full new game. By today's standards at least.

Im playing the ME3 demo as we speak...I'm finding precious little difference between it and 2. Guess its just another expansion pack.

 

[Sulaco]

im just curious as to those of you that this does bother, having a sequel come out every year or two that isn't drastically different...

what is an example of an IP where they create sequels that actually satisfy you, where the changes are extremely drastic that it would actually warrant a purchase for you?

like, i'm seriously interested in what games fit this category for the ones in this camp, because i can't think of an IP off the top of my head that fits this category.

See, that's not a fair comparison, at all, because most "IPs" don't have 4 full sequels in 5 years. It's not hard.

That means if Game X has a sequel or two, with a few years in between, having "more of the same" is far more forgivable, and usually expected, since we aren't being inundated with the same rehashed game (at full price, no less) every year.
I guess you could say, some people might expect to see "Call of Duty 23: Black Edition" on the shelves, and expect it to be markedly different or improved from Call of Duty 16: Gold", much more so than seeing "Bioshock 3" on the shelf, 6 years after the release of the original.

 

[Veliko]

If some people are happy to buy each incarnation of CoD then I really don't see what the problem is.

The games industry as a whole has been able to release more than one game per year for a few decades now.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I don't see why so many people are whining about CoD being released so often at a regular price. You are obviously in the great minority with your opinion, the game releases aren't that expensive, there is no monthly fee to play the game. The majority of gamers are fine with the releases and cost of the games/maps or they wouldn't be spending the money. How about you haters just accept that most of the gamers disagree with you and that CoD is a very successful series that a ton of people enjoy.

And whoever mentioned ME1 and ME2 aren't similar like MW1, MW2, and MW3, you are wrong. I am currently playing through ME1 and ME2 to get ready for ME3, it is as different as MW1,2,3. As in, not different at all except some minor mechanics and changes.

 

[purbeast0]

See, that's not a fair comparison, at all, because most "IPs" don't have 4 full sequels in 5 years. It's not hard.

That means if Game X has a sequel or two, with a few years in between, having "more of the same" is far more forgivable, and usually expected, since we aren't being inundated with the same rehashed game (at full price, no less) every year.
I guess you could say, some people might expect to see "Call of Duty 23: Black Edition" on the shelves, and expect it to be markedly different or improved from Call of Duty 16: Gold", much more so than seeing "Bioshock 3" on the shelf, 6 years after the release of the original.

well to be fair, the "sequels" are actually every 2 years, as far as the same company making the same game.

but regardless, no one is forcing you to buy any of these sequels, even if they come out 4-5 years after the one prior. if you think it's a rehash, not worth $60, there is a very simple solution - don't buy it and wait 3-4 years to buy the next iteration.

as far as comparing bioshock to cod, they are drastically different games. cod is focused on the multiplayer experience, while bioshock is solely focused on a single player campaign mode. most people don't buy cod for single player, they buy it for endless hours of multiplayer, and they realize this before they even purchase it.

when comparing a single player experience to a multiplayer experience, a single player campaign mode has A LOT more work involved than the multiplayer mode. it is just common sense that a game focused on single player mode would take longer to develop.

i personally haven't played the most recent cod game, but the campaign mode in those games has always sucked and had a stupid story to me, if i can even understand wtf is going on. but i dont even care, because i purchased it for the multiplayer, not the 5 hours of single player.

it is almost like someone bitching about the "story" mode in street fighter iv, then bitching about how the single player mode in super street fighter iv isn't drastically different.

 

[Anubis]

If some people are happy to buy each incarnation of CoD then I really don't see what the problem is.

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its really no different then the Madden games, people love those

 

[chalmers]

im just curious as to those of you that this does bother, having a sequel come out every year or two that isn't drastically different...

what is an example of an IP where they create sequels that actually satisfy you, where the changes are extremely drastic that it would actually warrant a purchase for you?

like, i'm seriously interested in what games fit this category for the ones in this camp, because i can't think of an IP off the top of my head that fits this category.

Went ahead and took you off so we could discuss this.

You seem to enjoy belittling people and use the word elitist to anyone who has anything bad to say about a console game or especially Call of Duty....yet in OT you made fun of a poster for eating at Macaroni Grill, I'm assuming because you think it's bland and overrated casual dining...with many better alternative choices. If I'm putting words in your mouth let me know...I'm just going with the classic foob snob's comeback in any restaurant thread that pops up.

So because I called COD the America Online of gaming (which I 100% believe), I'm an elitist snob, but you're not a snob yourself for the OT post? How is there a difference? Macaroni Grill (and most other chain restaurants) probably do very well income wise....yet obviously they're not without tons of ridicule...why should COD be any different?

 

[DrunkenSano]

If you're using some restaurant as an analogy for video games, then compare them accurately. Macaroni Grill isn't one of the best selling chain restaurants in the country. CoD is.

 

[purbeast0]

Went ahead and took you off so we could discuss this.

You seem to enjoy belittling people and use the word elitist to anyone who has anything bad to say about a console game or especially Call of Duty....yet in OT you made fun of a poster for eating at Macaroni Grill, I'm assuming because you think it's bland and overrated casual dining...with many better alternative choices. If I'm putting words in your mouth let me know...I'm just going with the classic foob snob's comeback in any restaurant thread that pops up.

So because I called COD the America Online of gaming (which I 100% believe), I'm an elitist snob, but you're not a snob yourself for the OT post? How is there a difference? Macaroni Grill (and most other chain restaurants) probably do very well income wise....yet obviously they're not without tons of ridicule...why should COD be any different?

i am a food snob when it comes to sit down restaurants, especially on a special occassion. show me where i said elsewhere.

and i also said it in a jokingly way with the at the end, i wasn't belittling him i was teasing him, as were like 1/2 the people in the thread, and then he went on to explain why he went there.

and btw, i havent played cod campaign or online since mw2. i've been bored with the series for a LLOONNGGG time.

NNNEEEXXXTTT???

 

[chalmers]

If you're using some restaurant as an analogy for video games, then compare them accurately. Macaroni Grill isn't one of the best selling chain restaurants in the country. CoD is.

All I mean by that is why is it OK to be a snob and make fun of someone for their restaurant choice but then if someone makes fun of COD or a console shooter they're immediately labeled the same way.

Sure ok, how about McDonalds? I'm sure that's up there in terms of highest sales of restaurants in the world...I duno maybe #1? Anyone here going to call me an elitst snob for saying their food is crap too?

It just puzzles me that anyone would make fun of someone for their choices and opinions on a product when they do the exact same thing with other industries and products. I'm pretty sure everyone does it too...it's human nature to have preferences.

 

[chalmers]

i am a food snob when it comes to sit down restaurants, especially on a special occassion. show me where i said elsewhere.

and i also said it in a jokingly way with the at the end, i wasn't belittling him i was teasing him, as were like 1/2 the people in the thread, and then he went on to explain why he went there.

and btw, i havent played cod campaign or online since mw2. i've been bored with the series for a LLOONNGGG time.

NNNEEEXXXTTT???

Fair enough then.

I was never banging my fists over this even though I didn't put an emote in my post...it's just my opinion. It's an incredibly popular game that they should continue making until it stops being super profitable, just as any business should. However, I feel it to be uninspired, boring, and not my style. I poke fun at the people who religiously buy every iteration and map pack, but I think juggernaughts of any industry are full of critics such as myself that try and see through the sameness of each iteration and demand more from companies. It's just my personality I guess.

Anyway, cheers.

 

[BD2003]

I poke fun at the people who religiously buy every iteration and map pack, but I think juggernaughts of any industry are full of critics such as myself that try and see through the sameness of each iteration and demand more from companies. It's just my personality I guess.

From Wikipedia:

A snob is someone who believes that some people are inherently inferior to him or her for any one of a variety of reasons, including real or supposed intellect, wealth, education, ancestry, taste, beauty, nationality, etcetera.

Just embrace it dude. Double down on it. Stop trying to convince people you're not a snob about games. You're textbook.

 

[chalmers]

From Wikipedia:

A snob is someone who believes that some people are inherently inferior to him or her for any one of a variety of reasons, including real or supposed intellect, wealth, education, ancestry, taste, beauty, nationality, etcetera.

Just embrace it dude. Double down on it. Stop trying to convince people you're not a snob about games. You're textbook.

I'm not trying to convince anyone of that. I'm showing that if you're even a semi snob about anything in life, you shouldn't be putting others down for being a snob about something just because you don't agree with them.

I can't think of one person I know in my life that isn't a snob about something. Why do you get so up in arms about video game snobs? Because it's an industry you care about? I do too, that's why I demand lots for my money so I feel like I got good value.

So you're not even remotely snobby about anything? If not, you're in the minority. I'm sorry that people that are anti Call of Duty rile you up so much, but my and others opinions are just as valuable as yours.

 

[Sixguns]

I dont mind that CoD brings a new game out each year. I cant play the same game for months and months and not get bored. I know going into it that much wont be changed but its a new look and that is enough for me. New story, new guns, perks, kill streaks. Its all good for me.

 

[BD2003]

I'm not trying to convince anyone of that. I'm showing that if you're even a semi snob about anything in life, you shouldn't be putting others down for being a snob about something just because you don't agree with them.

I can't think of one person I know in my life that isn't a snob about something. Why do you get so up in arms about video game snobs? Because it's an industry you care about? I do too, that's why I demand lots for my money so I feel like I got good value.

So you're not even remotely snobby about anything? If not, you're in the minority. I'm sorry that people that are anti Call of Duty rile you up so much, but my and others opinions are just as valuable as yours.

Because when you act your opinions are coming from superior taste, it's not a fun discussion. It's agree with you or you're a peasant, and it just immediately degenerates. You're not just putting forth your opinion, you're also completely dismissing everyone else's as inferior in the same sentence.

 

[Stuxnet]

Can someone explain to me what is so outrageous about yearly installments? I don't see people freaking out when a TV show comes back every season.

Nominated for Weakest Analogy of the Year.

Seconded, but he's CoD's #1 Fanboy, so...

 

[Q]

Hopefully Treyarch is making it.

 

[BD2003]

Seconded, but he's CoD's #1 Fanboy, so...

I won't deny it. Best MP series ever made, still keeps me coming back for more. The people I usually play with log way more hours than me though. Some people play cod like it's a religion...I still feel the need to play everything else that's good.

 

[purbeast0]

Hopefully Treyarch is making it.

well DDDDUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[RavenSEAL]

French game site Gameblog.fr reported earlier today that Amazon's French digital storefront leaked details about the next installment in Activision's blockbuster FPS series.

The site claims that a product page for the sequel to the 2010 Call of Duty title went live on Amazon.fr and that, after they reported this, Activision France requested that the story be killed. When they refused, Gameblog.fr claims that the publisher blacklisted them, disinviting them from a Transformers: Fall of Cybertron preview event and pulling planned advertising from the media outlet.

Gameblog.fr also claims that other sites that covered the story were coerced into pulling their coverage off the internet after similar threats by Activision.

It seems odd that Activision would come down so hard on media outlets for reporting a product listing when the gaffe was on Amazon's part. All of the above should be taken with grains of salt. We've reached out to Amazon France and Activision and will update the story if we hear back

lol

 

[BD2003]

It's blops 2 for sure. I asked a treyarch dev what theyre working on now, nowing he couldn't really tell me, then I mentioned I was a big fan of blops. He gave me was a "I think you'll like what we're working on then". He was also really, really curious about how much I liked zombies, so I think that'll be a big part of it.

There's nothing that says blops needs to be cold war though. It could just as easily be modern day or near future. Blops 1 didn't have any loose ends.

All I know is that if they don't have a mission where you storm a complex in Pakistan to take out a high value target, they're fucking up.

 

[mcmilljb]

All I know is that if they don't have a mission where you storm a complex in Pakistan to take out a high value target, they're fucking up.

That will be available in the Prestige Edition

 

[digiram]

It's blops 2 for sure. I asked a treyarch dev what theyre working on now, nowing he couldn't really tell me, then I mentioned I was a big fan of blops. He gave me was a "I think you'll like what we're working on then". He was also really, really curious about how much I liked zombies, so I think that'll be a big part of it.

There's nothing that says blops needs to be cold war though. It could just as easily be modern day or near future. Blops 1 didn't have any loose ends.

All I know is that if they don't have a mission where you storm a complex in Pakistan to take out a high value target, they're fucking up.

I hope you told him that you really really love the zombie mode cuz I really really love zombies. The attention to detail and all the easter egg hunting in blops zombie maps were a crazy amount of fun. Soo much better than the survival crap in MW3.