Heath Ledger found dead in his apartment

[JC86]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: JC86
Hollywood's got a serious problem with making young people millionaires overnight and surrounding them with temptations like sex, alcohol and drugs without the proper support structures to help them deal with it. Unfortunately, Heath will not be the last one to die an early and tragic death. RIP

whatever happened to personal responsibility?

You take the Britney's and Lindsay's of the world and make them millionaires when they can't even drive yet and you honestly expect them to understand personal responsibility?

It's still early and we don't know for sure what the cause of death was so I guess my post was premature but if preliminary reports are correct, Heath's death is just one of a long line of drug abuse overdose deaths in Hollywood.

 

[SKORPI0]

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[njswift10141980]

my friend txt'd me around 4 this afternoon and I had to ask him if he was serious at that point I hit up cnn.com and learned it was real, so sad.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: JC86

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: JC86
Hollywood's got a serious problem with making young people millionaires overnight and surrounding them with temptations like sex, alcohol and drugs without the proper support structures to help them deal with it. Unfortunately, Heath will not be the last one to die an early and tragic death. RIP

whatever happened to personal responsibility?

You take the Britney's and Lindsay's of the world and make them millionaires when they can't even drive yet and you honestly expect them to understand personal responsibility?

It's still early and we don't know for sure what the cause of death was so I guess my post was premature but if preliminary reports are correct, Heath's death is just one of a long line of drug abuse overdose deaths in Hollywood.

a 16y/o should have SOME idea of personal responsibility. sure they may not look as far ahead as say... a 30y/o investing for retirement, but it's not hard to realize "drugs are bad, mmmmkay?"

 

[Agentbolt]

Originally posted by: JC86

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: JC86
Hollywood's got a serious problem with making young people millionaires overnight and surrounding them with temptations like sex, alcohol and drugs without the proper support structures to help them deal with it. Unfortunately, Heath will not be the last one to die an early and tragic death. RIP

whatever happened to personal responsibility?

You take the Britney's and Lindsay's of the world and make them millionaires when they can't even drive yet and you honestly expect them to understand personal responsibility?

It's still early and we don't know for sure what the cause of death was so I guess my post was premature but if preliminary reports are correct, Heath's death is just one of a long line of drug abuse overdose deaths in Hollywood.

You're saying a 16 year old is honestly unaware that drugs are bad, drinking and driving is bad, etc...? When they go out and buy 3 houses that they'll never use, that's one thing. But don't tell me a girl or guy in his mid to late teens can't figure out the basic stuff.

 

[purbeast0]

Originally posted by: JC86
Hollywood's got a serious problem with making young people millionaires overnight and surrounding them with temptations like sex, alcohol and drugs without the proper support structures to help them deal with it. Unfortunately, Heath will not be the last one to die an early and tragic death. RIP

lol @ blaming hollywood.

 

[MrToilet]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt

Originally posted by: JC86

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: JC86
Hollywood's got a serious problem with making young people millionaires overnight and surrounding them with temptations like sex, alcohol and drugs without the proper support structures to help them deal with it. Unfortunately, Heath will not be the last one to die an early and tragic death. RIP

whatever happened to personal responsibility?

You take the Britney's and Lindsay's of the world and make them millionaires when they can't even drive yet and you honestly expect them to understand personal responsibility?

It's still early and we don't know for sure what the cause of death was so I guess my post was premature but if preliminary reports are correct, Heath's death is just one of a long line of drug abuse overdose deaths in Hollywood.

You're saying a 16 year old is honestly unaware that drugs are bad, drinking and driving is bad, etc...? When they go out and buy 3 houses that they'll never use, that's one thing. But don't tell me a girl or guy in his mid to late teens can't figure out the basic stuff.

That's the way Hollywood works, they coddle these pretty faces.... that's why it's kosher to have 3 personal assistants, security, hair stylist, etc, etc, so you can not worry about the day to day crap that the rest of us enjoy.

I can't imagine being in that position, photographers hounding your every move, shows like Entertainment Weekly, magazines like US Weekly, People, all that crap (Stars! They take craps just like the rest of us! They drink coffee just like us!)... I guess celebrities either get used to it or just crash and burn.

 

[MH2007]

Wow, so many people, so quick to condemn this man.

It's on the record that he has a history of health issues due to problems sleeping when he is working on a role.

Specifically regarding the Joker role:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11...iesspecial/04lyal.html

It is a physically and mentally draining role ? his Joker is a ?psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy? he said cheerfully ? and, as often happens when he throws himself into a part, he is not sleeping much.

?Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,? he said. ?I couldn?t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.? One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.


Until more details come out to the contrary, I will give this man the benefit of the doubt and believe the preliminary reports from the Police: that it was an accidental tragedy from sleeping pills.

 

[MrToilet]

Originally posted by: MH2007
Wow, so many people, so quick to condemn this man.

It's on the record that he has a history of health issues due to problems sleeping when he is working on a role.

Specifically regarding the Joker role:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11...iesspecial/04lyal.html

It is a physically and mentally draining role ? his Joker is a ?psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy? he said cheerfully ? and, as often happens when he throws himself into a part, he is not sleeping much.

?Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,? he said. ?I couldn?t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.? One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.


Until more details come out to the contrary, I will give this man the benefit of the doubt and believe the preliminary reports from the Police: that it was an accidental tragedy from sleeping pills.

The problem is this:

A. He was found naked, on the floor. Most people I know like to sleep at least in a bed. I really doubt that he was trying to sleep.

B. I really doubt that this was an accident. You either want to go to sleep (take one, maybe two, but not enough to kill you, obviously), or you want to die. There really isn't a middle ground on this one...

C. I'm not out to condemn Heath Ledger himself, more the ludicrous bubble that surrounds Hollywood and the demands that the "system" (meaning the public, and press) puts on the celebrities. It's a terrible combination.

 

[Atlantean]

RIP Heath Ledger, Hollywood loses another of its truly talented actors.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: MH2007
Wow, so many people, so quick to condemn this man.

It's on the record that he has a history of health issues due to problems sleeping when he is working on a role.

Specifically regarding the Joker role:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11...iesspecial/04lyal.html

It is a physically and mentally draining role ? his Joker is a ?psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy? he said cheerfully ? and, as often happens when he throws himself into a part, he is not sleeping much.

?Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,? he said. ?I couldn?t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.? One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.


Until more details come out to the contrary, I will give this man the benefit of the doubt and believe the preliminary reports from the Police: that it was an accidental tragedy from sleeping pills.

How is acting 'draining'? Give me a break, if you want draining try my job

 

[hdeck]

Originally posted by: MrToilet

Originally posted by: MH2007
Wow, so many people, so quick to condemn this man.

It's on the record that he has a history of health issues due to problems sleeping when he is working on a role.

Specifically regarding the Joker role:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11...iesspecial/04lyal.html

It is a physically and mentally draining role ? his Joker is a ?psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy? he said cheerfully ? and, as often happens when he throws himself into a part, he is not sleeping much.

?Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,? he said. ?I couldn?t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.? One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.


Until more details come out to the contrary, I will give this man the benefit of the doubt and believe the preliminary reports from the Police: that it was an accidental tragedy from sleeping pills.

The problem is this:

A. He was found naked, on the floor. Most people I know like to sleep at least in a bed. I really doubt that he was trying to sleep.

B. I really doubt that this was an accident. You either want to go to sleep (take one, maybe two, but not enough to kill you, obviously), or you want to die. There really isn't a middle ground on this one...

C. I'm not out to condemn Heath Ledger himself, more the ludicrous bubble that surrounds Hollywood and the demands that the "system" (meaning the public, and press) puts on the celebrities. It's a terrible combination.

actually he was found naked in bed. there are people that sleep naked in bed.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Phokus
How is acting 'draining'? Give me a break, if you want draining try my job

And your job is?

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Phokus
How is acting 'draining'?

You can't be serious? :roll:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0RhoEuCGKs8

Acting CAN be very draining. I think you give some actors little credit...

 

[theeedude]

Dr Drew was just on CNN talking about it. I didn't get to hear the whole thing before they cut to the pregnant dead marine story, but he said some nice things about that actor.

 

[moshquerade]

What terrible news.

Even worse he has a baby daughter, but likely foreshadowed his own death despite her.

Last year Ledger said he was ready to die because he could live on in his child.

"Having a child changes every aspect of your life - for the better, of course. The sacrifices are large, but what you get in return is even bigger than the sacrifices you make. I feel, in a sense, ready to die because you are living on in your child," Ledger told In Touch Weekly.

 

[DangerAardvark]

Somebody just won 100k in a celebrity death pool somewhere. Talk about out of left field.

 

[theeedude]

Honestly, I hope it's accidental, because if he killed himself and he has a daughter, that is so selfish. I don't care how much he thought his life sucked, he had an obligation to be there for his daughter and not betray her like that.

 

[Xstatic1]

someone told me about it (b4 i had heard about it from the news) and my immediate response was "did he OD or something?" anyhow.....

may he

RIP

pics!

 

[KingGheedora]

Originally posted by: Agentbolt
The Times article appears to point towards suicide.

They shook him, but he did not respond. They immediately called the authorities. The police said they did not suspect foul play. Officials said pills fear found near the body.

I know I'm an inhuman monster or whatever, but if this was suicide, I feel a lot less sorry for the guy. What the hell was so unbearable about his life?

Depression doesn't really have anything to do with being rich or famous.

 

[KingGheedora]

Originally posted by: loup garou
Damn, that sucks, especially for his kid.

huh...I'm a few blocks from his apartment.

I'm a few blocks from you.

 

[ProfJohn]

He was 28... one year earlier and he would have joined a long list of dead musicians.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Honestly, I hope it's accidental, because if he killed himself and he has a daughter, that is so selfish. I don't care how much he thought his life sucked, he had an obligation to be there for his daughter and not betray her like that.

Would you want him around your daughter?

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: senseamp
Honestly, I hope it's accidental, because if he killed himself and he has a daughter, that is so selfish. I don't care how much he thought his life sucked, he had an obligation to be there for his daughter and not betray her like that.

Would you want him around your daughter?

I don't have a daughter, but if I did, I'd want myself around her, and not take the easy way out because I thought my life sucked. Once you have a kid, it's not about you anymore. He just fvcked up his daughter's life big time for no good reason as far as I am concerned.

 

[imported_yovonbishop]

Alright, so I've been obsessing over this for no particular reason. Apparently the rumor that the apartment belonged to Mary Kate Olsen was false. He really didn't have any kind of history that would lead one to believe that he would take drugs or behave badly. From what I've read, he seemed to be a pretty down-to-earth guy. I would guess if it was a suicide, it would have something to do with the movie role and/or his split with Michelle.

Either way, it's extremely sad and difficult for me to write it off as just another young Hollywood actor OD'ing 'as usual'.