Heath Ledger found dead in his apartment

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JC86

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Originally posted by: Agentbolt
Originally posted by: JC86
Originally posted by: Fenixgoon
Originally posted by: JC86
Hollywood's got a serious problem with making young people millionaires overnight and surrounding them with temptations like sex, alcohol and drugs without the proper support structures to help them deal with it. Unfortunately, Heath will not be the last one to die an early and tragic death. RIP

whatever happened to personal responsibility?

You take the Britney's and Lindsay's of the world and make them millionaires when they can't even drive yet and you honestly expect them to understand personal responsibility?

It's still early and we don't know for sure what the cause of death was so I guess my post was premature but if preliminary reports are correct, Heath's death is just one of a long line of drug abuse overdose deaths in Hollywood.

You're saying a 16 year old is honestly unaware that drugs are bad, drinking and driving is bad, etc...? When they go out and buy 3 houses that they'll never use, that's one thing. But don't tell me a girl or guy in his mid to late teens can't figure out the basic stuff.

Sure you know it is bad and wrong but who is there to punish you when you do something wrong? You honestly think a few hundred dollars worth of fines or insurance premium increases is going to stop them from drinking and driving? For us, the average american, an extra thousand dollars in traffic fines or insurance premiums is a pretty big deal, to them, its pocket change. I remember when Paris was thrown in Jail, CNN had this panel discussing why these multi-millionaires, who could afford a driver or take a cab still choose to drink and drive and the consensus amongst the panel was that there celebrities feel a sense of entitlement and that the rules and laws do not apply to them.

You honestly want to tell me that an average kid growing up in middle class america, working for 7.50 an hour at McDs feel the same way? I liked Heath Ledger a lot as an actor and this is a tragedy in every sense of the word. My original post was not meant to point fingers or assign blame to anyone but more of an observation on the fickle and dangerous nature of Hollywood.

I have not and probably will never star in a hollywood movie so I cannot know what sort of mental/physical strain these actors/actresses go through on a daily basis but I'd imagine having to work 12+hours, going in and out of character is a draining endeavor for any person, much more so for a teenage kid, is it any surprise that they turn to drugs/alcohol, both of which are readily available to them, as an escape?
 

MH2007

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Originally posted by: MrToilet
Originally posted by: MH2007
Wow, so many people, so quick to condemn this man.

It's on the record that he has a history of health issues due to problems sleeping when he is working on a role.

Specifically regarding the Joker role:


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11...iesspecial/04lyal.html

It is a physically and mentally draining role ? his Joker is a ?psychopathic, mass-murdering, schizophrenic clown with zero empathy? he said cheerfully ? and, as often happens when he throws himself into a part, he is not sleeping much.

?Last week I probably slept an average of two hours a night,? he said. ?I couldn?t stop thinking. My body was exhausted, and my mind was still going.? One night he took an Ambien, which failed to work. He took a second one and fell into a stupor, only to wake up an hour later, his mind still racing.



Until more details come out to the contrary, I will give this man the benefit of the doubt and believe the preliminary reports from the Police: that it was an accidental tragedy from sleeping pills.

The problem is this:

A. He was found naked, on the floor. Most people I know like to sleep at least in a bed. I really doubt that he was trying to sleep.

It's not unreasonable to think that he may have crawled out of bed as he was experiencing respiratory distress. The simple fact of the matter is that neither you nor I know for sure yet.

As for why he was naked, who knows, some people just like to sleep naked.


Originally posted by: MrToilet
B. I really doubt that this was an accident. You either want to go to sleep (take one, maybe two, but not enough to kill you, obviously), or you want to die. There really isn't a middle ground on this one...

Now this simply isn't true. An interaction between different sleeping aids can lead to an overdose. Take into consideration that he has had some frustration with the ineffectiveness with at least one prescription in the past. He may have sought out multiple prescriptions from different doctors due to this.

I'm actually watching Dr. Drew Pinsky on CNN right now and he basically said this is a possibility (though we don't know enough yet to be sure) and he gave the obligatory warning to be careful with drug interactions.


Originally posted by: MrToilet
C. I'm not out to condemn Heath Ledger himself, more the ludicrous bubble that surrounds Hollywood and the demands that the "system" (meaning the public, and press) puts on the celebrities. It's a terrible combination.

Wasn't referring to anything you may or may not have said. Although there certainly isn't a shortage of people here that are assuming the worst of him and running with it.

Anderson Cooper on CNN also referred to the NYT article I linked to above and highlighted the exact section I quoted.

The simple fact of the matter is that an accident is a very real possibility here, especially when you consider his medical history.
 

brownzilla786

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It's a real shame that he died

I bet the movie is going to be an even bigger blockbuster than originally planned now that he is dead.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: brownzilla786
It's a real shame that he died

I bet the movie is going to be an even bigger blockbuster than originally planned now that he is dead.
"See Heath Ledger in the role of a lifetime!"
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: Duddy
The Dark Knight is LATE post-production. They were finished filming last Fall.

The will release the Dark Knight on schedule and it will be dedicated to Heath.




I also think playing the Joker aided in his death.

yup, fx and cutting require a lot of time esp on fantasy films. generally you only do filming on a carefully planned schedule to save money, its generally all done at once cuz paying support crew to sit around and wait is $$$. only reshoots are a problem. but this late it wouldn't be a reshoot for technical issue,but to rework and ending or such.
cg face replacement is probably pretty decent now. i remember it was used during the crow after brandon lee died.
 

CPA

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Originally posted by: UNCjigga
Was he found naked in Mary Kate Olsen's apartment? Somebody told me that. The rumors are flying!!! This is so exciting, makes me forget all about the world's economy crumbling around us!

edit: same source is claiming its a suicide...I'll wait and see on that one.

Which is sad. While I liked Heath's acting, this story is getting more play than things that truly effect us. It's pathetic, actually.
 
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
You guys complaining about the joker need to get a grip.

It's just an f'n movie, this is life.

Have some respect for the guy and his family, worry about the movie later.

Hard to have respect for a guy that kills himself and takes the pussy way out of dealing with issues. If he infact did OD and killed himself, I'll have no sympathy for him. I will for his child that he left behind, as the childs father was a coward and took the easy way out of a problem.
 
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Though here's a thought. The Joker is one sick fucko. Did the movie execs drum this up as a way to play a joke on the real world? Meanwhile Heath is living large on some Tahitian Island???
 

meltdown75

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Wow. RIP
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sdifox

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Though here's a thought. The Joker is one sick fucko. Did the movie execs drum this up as a way to play a joke on the real world? Meanwhile Heath is living large on some Tahitian Island???

don't forget to reinforce that aluminum hat of yours. Who would be stupid enough to pull that kind of stunt. They'll get eaten alive when it comes to light, and it always does.
 

moshquerade

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Results of his autopsy are inconclusive, and require further testing. Does that mean he didn't die from an overdose?

updated 23 minutes ago

Autopsy fails to find how actor Heath Ledger died

NEW YORK (CNN) -- An autopsy Wednesday morning on actor Heath Ledger was inconclusive, and a cause-of-death determination will take 10 to 14 days, a medical examiner's spokeswoman said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBI...ledger.dead/index.html
 

meltdown75

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Results of his autopsy are inconclusive, and require further testing. Does that mean he didn't die from an overdose?

updated 23 minutes ago

Autopsy fails to find how actor Heath Ledger died

NEW YORK (CNN) -- An autopsy Wednesday morning on actor Heath Ledger was inconclusive, and a cause-of-death determination will take 10 to 14 days, a medical examiner's spokeswoman said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBI...ledger.dead/index.html
i think it means that the results were inconclusive. :p
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Results of his autopsy are inconclusive, and require further testing. Does that mean he didn't die from an overdose?

updated 23 minutes ago

Autopsy fails to find how actor Heath Ledger died

NEW YORK (CNN) -- An autopsy Wednesday morning on actor Heath Ledger was inconclusive, and a cause-of-death determination will take 10 to 14 days, a medical examiner's spokeswoman said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBI...ledger.dead/index.html
i think it means that the results were inconclusive. :p

shaddup you. :p

Originally posted by: FoBoT
it means they are waiting on toxicology test results before making any official determinations

So they only did the basics... like he didn't die from natural causes then. I see.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: moshquerade
Originally posted by: meltdown75
Originally posted by: moshquerade
Results of his autopsy are inconclusive, and require further testing. Does that mean he didn't die from an overdose?

updated 23 minutes ago

Autopsy fails to find how actor Heath Ledger died

NEW YORK (CNN) -- An autopsy Wednesday morning on actor Heath Ledger was inconclusive, and a cause-of-death determination will take 10 to 14 days, a medical examiner's spokeswoman said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBI...ledger.dead/index.html
i think it means that the results were inconclusive. :p

shaddup you. :p

Originally posted by: FoBoT
it means they are waiting on toxicology test results before making any official determinations

So they only did the basics... like he didn't die from natural causes then. I see.

Well that's all a normal autopsy can reveal. Considering a bottle of pills was found next to his body, one would have to consider he didn't die from natural causes. :p
 

conehead433

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I can't believe that I never saw a single one of the movies he was in. Still a shame to lose someone so young and with so much ahead of them.
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: conehead433
I can't believe that I never saw a single one of the movies he was in. Still a shame to lose someone so young and with so much ahead of them.

and they keep saying he was found naked. that's just cruel for them to mention. i wouldn't mind imagining him naked at all, but dead and naked, that's :(