HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
How was Blu-ray already available when the players and movies came out after HD DVD?

Unlike HD DVD which is *only* movies at the moment, Sony had Blu-ray set top box recorders available in Japan in early 2003 to record HD broadcasts. The DVD Forum made their decision in late 2003. Look it up yourself, the first Blu-ray product was the Sony BDZ-S77.

But you haven't answered my question - why do you believe the group that stands to lose the most from declining dvd sales, be considered the official proper channel for a competing product? Yes it's a loaded question, but the point should be clear, there is nothing that says the DVD Forum is the proper channel, and the BDA is some unauthorized channel.

agreed. The DVD Forum only has had 1 format so far, how has it proven it should be the definitive and only group to decide on future formats? It never existed prior to DVDs, and VHS seemed to do fine without the DVD Forum. The DVD Forum is an unnecessary middle-man.

you know...I never thought about that!

F^ck the DVD Forum!

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
How was Blu-ray already available when the players and movies came out after HD DVD?

Unlike HD DVD which is *only* movies at the moment, Sony had Blu-ray set top box recorders available in Japan in early 2003 to record HD broadcasts. The DVD Forum made their decision in late 2003. Look it up yourself, the first Blu-ray product was the Sony BDZ-S77.

But you haven't answered my question - why do you believe the group that stands to lose the most from declining dvd sales, be considered the official proper channel for a competing product? Yes it's a loaded question, but the point should be clear, there is nothing that says the DVD Forum is the proper channel, and the BDA is some unauthorized channel.

Do the smart thing and buy into both. Then you can have whichever movies you want without praying that it comes to your format of choice.

If and when the dual format players are readily available and affordable ($150-$200) then I have absolutely no problem of doing just that. The dilemma right now is that one has great hardware prices but lackluster software selection while the other has expensive hardware but great software selection and prices.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: destrekor
agreed. The DVD Forum only has had 1 format so far, how has it proven it should be the definitive and only group to decide on future formats? It never existed prior to DVDs, and VHS seemed to do fine without the DVD Forum. The DVD Forum is an unnecessary middle-man.

you know...I never thought about that!

F^ck the DVD Forum!

I wouldn't go so far as to say the DVD Forum is unnecessary, because there does need to be standards and cooperation amongst the different technology & manufacturing companies.

 

[cubby1223]

Another buy a movie, get a free HD-A2 deal:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/ne...ek-Season-1-Promo/8408

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Another buy a movie, get a free HD-A2 deal:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/ne...ek-Season-1-Promo/8408

That's sure to be a mad house. No thanks.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Allen Iverson

Originally posted by: Shawn
How was Blu-ray already available when the players and movies came out after HD DVD?

Maybe mean that blu-ray specs were designed/finalised/patented/etc before HD DVD??

Blu-Ray was released with unfinalized specs. See how Blu-Ray just obsoleted a whole slew of players with Profile 1.1.

How are they obsolete if they can still play movies

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
How was Blu-ray already available when the players and movies came out after HD DVD?

Unlike HD DVD which is *only* movies at the moment, Sony had Blu-ray set top box recorders available in Japan in early 2003 to record HD broadcasts. The DVD Forum made their decision in late 2003. Look it up yourself, the first Blu-ray product was the Sony BDZ-S77.

But you haven't answered my question - why do you believe the group that stands to lose the most from declining dvd sales, be considered the official proper channel for a competing product? Yes it's a loaded question, but the point should be clear, there is nothing that says the DVD Forum is the proper channel, and the BDA is some unauthorized channel.

Do the smart thing and buy into both. Then you can have whichever movies you want without praying that it comes to your format of choice.

If and when the dual format players are readily available and affordable ($150-$200) then I have absolutely no problem of doing just that. The dilemma right now is that one has great hardware prices but lackluster software selection while the other has expensive hardware but great software selection and prices.

HTPC makes it cheap if you already have the hardware to output HD resolutions to a TV or projector, just add the necessary drive. Sure you don't get DTS-HD: MA and don't get the full resolution of other lossless audio formats, but can you really hear the difference between 16bit 48Khz and 24bit? Not many can. I agree stand alone players for Blu-Ray are expensive. I also don't think the HD DVD selection is bad really. There's certain exclusives that aren't on Blu-Ray.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
How was Blu-ray already available when the players and movies came out after HD DVD?

Unlike HD DVD which is *only* movies at the moment, Sony had Blu-ray set top box recorders available in Japan in early 2003 to record HD broadcasts. The DVD Forum made their decision in late 2003. Look it up yourself, the first Blu-ray product was the Sony BDZ-S77.

But you haven't answered my question - why do you believe the group that stands to lose the most from declining dvd sales, be considered the official proper channel for a competing product? Yes it's a loaded question, but the point should be clear, there is nothing that says the DVD Forum is the proper channel, and the BDA is some unauthorized channel.

Do the smart thing and buy into both. Then you can have whichever movies you want without praying that it comes to your format of choice.

If and when the dual format players are readily available and affordable ($150-$200) then I have absolutely no problem of doing just that. The dilemma right now is that one has great hardware prices but lackluster software selection while the other has expensive hardware but great software selection and prices.

HTPC makes it cheap if you already have the hardware to output HD resolutions to a TV or projector, just add the necessary drive. Sure you don't get DTS-HD: MA and don't get the full resolution of other lossless audio formats, but can you really hear the difference between 16bit 48Khz and 24bit? Not many can. I agree stand alone players for Blu-Ray are expensive. I also don't think the HD DVD selection is bad really. There's certain exclusives that aren't on Blu-Ray.

Obviously what people like will cater to different preferences. I find the HDDVD selection to be just fine considering the amount of time they have had to release.

Both formats have their hits. Blu-Ray has been having more as of late thanks mainly to Disney.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
How was Blu-ray already available when the players and movies came out after HD DVD?

Unlike HD DVD which is *only* movies at the moment, Sony had Blu-ray set top box recorders available in Japan in early 2003 to record HD broadcasts. The DVD Forum made their decision in late 2003. Look it up yourself, the first Blu-ray product was the Sony BDZ-S77.

But you haven't answered my question - why do you believe the group that stands to lose the most from declining dvd sales, be considered the official proper channel for a competing product? Yes it's a loaded question, but the point should be clear, there is nothing that says the DVD Forum is the proper channel, and the BDA is some unauthorized channel.

Do the smart thing and buy into both. Then you can have whichever movies you want without praying that it comes to your format of choice.

If and when the dual format players are readily available and affordable ($150-$200) then I have absolutely no problem of doing just that. The dilemma right now is that one has great hardware prices but lackluster software selection while the other has expensive hardware but great software selection and prices.

HTPC makes it cheap if you already have the hardware to output HD resolutions to a TV or projector, just add the necessary drive. Sure you don't get DTS-HD: MA and don't get the full resolution of other lossless audio formats, but can you really hear the difference between 16bit 48Khz and 24bit? Not many can. I agree stand alone players for Blu-Ray are expensive. I also don't think the HD DVD selection is bad really. There's certain exclusives that aren't on Blu-Ray.

Obviously what people like will cater to different preferences. I find the HDDVD selection to be just fine considering the amount of time they have had to release.

Both formats have their hits. Blu-Ray has been having more as of late thanks mainly to Disney.

The only Disney movies I will ever buy on Blu-Ray at this time are the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. There's a handful of titles on both formats that won't see the light of day on the competing format.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: ricochet

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
How was Blu-ray already available when the players and movies came out after HD DVD?

Unlike HD DVD which is *only* movies at the moment, Sony had Blu-ray set top box recorders available in Japan in early 2003 to record HD broadcasts. The DVD Forum made their decision in late 2003. Look it up yourself, the first Blu-ray product was the Sony BDZ-S77.

But you haven't answered my question - why do you believe the group that stands to lose the most from declining dvd sales, be considered the official proper channel for a competing product? Yes it's a loaded question, but the point should be clear, there is nothing that says the DVD Forum is the proper channel, and the BDA is some unauthorized channel.

Do the smart thing and buy into both. Then you can have whichever movies you want without praying that it comes to your format of choice.

If and when the dual format players are readily available and affordable ($150-$200) then I have absolutely no problem of doing just that. The dilemma right now is that one has great hardware prices but lackluster software selection while the other has expensive hardware but great software selection and prices.

HTPC makes it cheap if you already have the hardware to output HD resolutions to a TV or projector, just add the necessary drive. Sure you don't get DTS-HD: MA and don't get the full resolution of other lossless audio formats, but can you really hear the difference between 16bit 48Khz and 24bit? Not many can. I agree stand alone players for Blu-Ray are expensive. I also don't think the HD DVD selection is bad really. There's certain exclusives that aren't on Blu-Ray.

Obviously what people like will cater to different preferences. I find the HDDVD selection to be just fine considering the amount of time they have had to release.

Both formats have their hits. Blu-Ray has been having more as of late thanks mainly to Disney.

The only Disney movies I will ever buy on Blu-Ray at this time are the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. There's a handful of titles on both formats that won't see the light of day on the competing format.

I wish I could pick up Ratatouille on HDDVD. That was actually my favorite film of the year. I do also enjoy Pirates...but that will just have to wait as well.

In the meantime, I got my Bourne, Planet Earth and Ocean's series....so I am happy

 

[cubby1223]

We've got another format war match-up coming this December! The next Girls Gone Wild vids will be on both Blu-ray and HD DVD.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/gone111107.htm

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
We've got another format war match-up coming this December! The next Girls Gone Wild vids will be on both Blu-ray and HD DVD.

http://www.tvpredictions.com/gone111107.htm

I am gonna give this one to BR.....lonely games vs. HT enthusiasts....

Not that BR doesn't have HT enthusiasts...but theres a lotta lonely gamers out there with PS3's.

 

[Genx87]

Who honestly buys those Girls Gone Wild Video's?
The internet will get you more for much less.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: destrekor
agreed. The DVD Forum only has had 1 format so far, how has it proven it should be the definitive and only group to decide on future formats? It never existed prior to DVDs, and VHS seemed to do fine without the DVD Forum. The DVD Forum is an unnecessary middle-man.

you know...I never thought about that!

F^ck the DVD Forum!

I wouldn't go so far as to say the DVD Forum is unnecessary, because there does need to be standards and cooperation amongst the different technology & manufacturing companies.

each new format can have their own consortium. What I was referring to, is that it is unnecessary to have an established and long-running consortium that you must obey for every new format. Let the creators of a new format create their own consortium and let that consortium establish the rules and specifications for the format and the devices associated with that format.

BDA
BDA's Promotional Site

 

[PurdueRy]

http://promotions.amazon.com/g.../amazon-customers-vote

Interesting that the HDDVD player had 45% of the vote....take from it what you will.....

 

[jpeyton]

As predicted, the PS3 price drop has more than doubled sales.

From <40k/week to 100k/week

The latest worldwide sales are up to ~200k/week so far. And the holiday shopping season has barely begun.

I wonder how many more $99 door-buster players Toshiba has in Wal-Mart's warehouses?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
http://promotions.amazon.com/g.../amazon-customers-vote

Interesting that the HDDVD player had 45% of the vote....take from it what you will.....

That link got posted on HD DVD forums before Blu-ray forums?

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
As predicted, the PS3 price drop has more than doubled sales.

From <40k/week to 100k/week

The latest worldwide sales are up to ~200k/week so far. And the holiday shopping season has barely begun.

I wonder how many more $99 door-buster players Toshiba has in Wal-Mart's warehouses?

We'll see if those numbers have staying power. The previous price cuts have dwindled off in sales in the weeks after the price cut.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
http://promotions.amazon.com/g.../amazon-customers-vote

Interesting that the HDDVD player had 45% of the vote....take from it what you will.....

That link got posted on HD DVD forums before Blu-ray forums?

So far its the same....maybe they only update once in a while...we shall see what happens. I was surprised to see this.

 

[JC86]

Has any updated sales figures been posted for the Bourne series for HD-DVD and Ratatouille for BD? I would imagine it'd be a push for both sides but perhaps sales for a family movie like Ratatouille would boost BD sales? I for one am waiting for Live Free or Die Hard's release on BD

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: JC86
Has any updated sales figures been posted for the Bourne series for HD-DVD and Ratatouille for BD? I would imagine it'd be a push for both sides but perhaps sales for a family movie like Ratatouille would boost BD sales? I for one am waiting for Live Free or Die Hard's release on BD

I think a better comparison would be the Ocean's series...both formats...released the same day.

 

[JC86]

on another note, does anyone know what format Focus Features will release their movies in?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: JC86
Has any updated sales figures been posted for the Bourne series for HD-DVD and Ratatouille for BD? I would imagine it'd be a push for both sides but perhaps sales for a family movie like Ratatouille would boost BD sales? I for one am waiting for Live Free or Die Hard's release on BD

I think a better comparison would be the Ocean's series...both formats...released the same day.

Okay comparison, but Warner is screwing everyone over with dvd quality 640k Dolby Digital audio on both formats! :thumbsdown:

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: JC86
on another note, does anyone know what format Focus Features will release their movies in?

Google says they are owned by NBC Universal, so HD DVD if they decide to release titles.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: PurdueRy

Originally posted by: JC86
Has any updated sales figures been posted for the Bourne series for HD-DVD and Ratatouille for BD? I would imagine it'd be a push for both sides but perhaps sales for a family movie like Ratatouille would boost BD sales? I for one am waiting for Live Free or Die Hard's release on BD

I think a better comparison would be the Ocean's series...both formats...released the same day.

Okay comparison, but Warner is screwing everyone over with dvd quality 640k Dolby Digital audio on both formats! :thumbsdown:

Oh well its not a movie that really stands out needing anything better than that IMO. It's mostly dialogue driven.