Hawken, holy gpu physx!

[NIGELG]

The market has decided that GPU PhysX should be in a few crap games per year.



The enemy of good is EVIL.

Idealism is something to strive for.

Looking forward to some great Physics effects in games I actually care about....Bioshock Infinite FOR EXAMPLE.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

Doesn't BS Inf use PhysX cpu only?

 

[Xarick]

I think it is time Nvidia allows AMD to use this.
It seems they would make more money licensing the tech and allowing everyone to run it easily then their current method of only allowing it on their GPU and CPUs.
It runs so bad on my 5850 it isn't even funny.

 

[NIGELG]

Doesn't BS Inf use PhysX cpu only?

No problems with that.

 

[omeds]

And that's the definition of ignorance, strong work.

No it's not. It wouldn't matter if without it was half as good, a quarter as good, or how it is atm where its basically stripped down to nothing. It's totally irrelevant if you can use the full effects.

The only time it would be ignorance is if the effects were better without PhysX and one continued to use it, but thats never happened in a title afaik...

 

[Final8ty]

Imho,

How one defines idealism is subjective.

My idealism was having the ability to enjoy 6-12 advanced physic games a year.

My idealism is to see PhysX ported to OpenCL or DirectCompute some day!

My idealism is to see advanced physics redefine game-play itself.

Others may differ, but the key is I don't allow idealism to be the enemy of good. PhysX in its current form may not be ideal for all but there is a lot of good!

Which mean you cant say that some are letting idealism get in the way seeing as the definition is subjective in itself.

And saying something is better than nothing is purely making excuse for the lack of progress and is sending out the wrong message, " hey we are happy with anything you want to offer as long as uses it X,Y,Z, progress as slow as you like we are happy for just having X,Y,Z in the first place.
PhysX has moved monumentality slow and could be considered backwards since Cellfactor.

 

[omeds]

It is better than nothing imo. Hopefully there will be a better, and open to all, alternative soon.

 

[Final8ty]

It is better than nothing imo. Hopefully there will be a better, and open to all, alternative soon.

Yes, but there is usually some time applied to it and not what seems to be indefinite for PhysX, it would be like me being very late to work everyday and say its better than nothing, it wont wash indefinitely.

The first LCDs were better than nothing, no good for gaming but still good progress had been made.

 

[omeds]

It will wash indefinitely if there is no one else to do the job.. And when the first LCD's were here you had an alternative, CRT.

Fact is, you can play without PhysX, no one is forcing you to use it. Atm, I think it is better than the alternative which is nothing.

I really hope an open standard takes full flight soon as this is bs, PhysX effects are great but am getting sick of fanboy bs talking it down and Nv's money grabbing ways causing limited use in games.

 

[Final8ty]

It will wash indefinitely if there is no one else to do the job..

Which is no excuse for being late, one should want to improve them self and what they offer and not what they can always get away with, that's slows down progress.

If people are not happy with something they have a right to be heard to try make progress happen it does not matter if its the only thing on the block at the time.

And when the first LCD's were here you had an alternative, CRT.

I would never had thought.

 

[omeds]

Its not an excuse and I think everyone wants to see GPGPU physics improve. Doesn't change it's better than the current alternative, which is nothing.

The reality is Nv has been pushing GPGPU for years, you could say its AMD that slowed progress, I mean where are they in this other than hair for 1 character? It's understandable Nv dont want to spend R&D money and do all the leg work just to allow AMD to freeload it. They are protecting their investment. AMD could licence it if they wish, or provide a better alternative, instead they provide nothing.. I mean hair.

 

[Final8ty]

Its not an excuse and I think everyone wants to see GPGPU physics improve. Doesn't change it's better than the current alternative, which is nothing.

You ain't going to get many people saying that they don't want to see improvements "Obvious"

Better than the the current alternative, which is nothing "Obvious" again.

So that means that's they are point which is being made because they are both "Obvious"

And yes its making excuse, not everyone relies on competition before they progress.

 

[Final8ty]

The reality is Nv has been pushing GPGPU for years, you could say its AMD that slowed progress, I mean where are they in this other than hair for 1 character? It's understandable Nv dont want to spend R&D money and do all the leg work just to allow AMD to freeload it. They are protecting their investment. AMD could licence it if they wish, or provide a better alternative, instead they provide nothing.. I mean hair.

And all im seeing is the usual its AMDs fault for what NV does.
Bye.

 

[omeds]

Cry me a river.

Bye :awe:

 

[Nintendesert]

Have you tried to see first hand the turbulence in Planetside 2 or the effects?

I haven't fired up Planetside 2 for a long long time. I'll patch it and go take a look at it. My 680 screams for something new!

 

[Final8ty]

Cry me a river.

Bye :awe:

The Irony " if amd did this, if amd that" physx! has nothing to do with AMD, i was talking about physx!.
SO yeah Bye

 

[omeds]

The Irony " if amd did this, if amd that" physx! has nothing to do with AMD, i was talking about physx!.
SO yeah Bye

You still here?

Thats not what I said at all, you just took offense to any mention of AMD because.. well we both know why dont we. :hmm:

Competition would create more progress. AMD licencing PhysX, or providing an alternative would create more progress. Nv opening up PhysX would create more progress.
You cant blame them for keeping it proprietary though when they bare the costs and do all the leg work, as much as I hate it being prorietary. They have investments to protect. Companies are not in the business of doing work for free for their competition.

With the new consoles using open standards, hopefully this will create progress as more games will be coded with GPGPU from the start, instead of proprietary features being tacked on. I feel we may see a real jump in progress in the coming months/years after the next consoles release.

 

[Final8ty]

You still here?

1)Thats not what I said at all, you just took offense to any mention of AMD because.. well we both know why dont we. :hmm:

2)Competition would create more progress. AMD providing an alternative would create more progress. Nv opening up PhysX would create more progress.
You cant blame them for keeping it proprietary though when they bare the costs and do all the leg work, as much as I hate it being prorietary. They have investments to protect. Companies are not in the business of doing work for free for their competition.

2)With the new consoles using open standards, hopefully this will create progress as more games will be coded with GPGPU from the start, instead of proprietary features being tacked on. I feel we may see a real jump in progress in the coming months/years after the next consoles release.

1) No you obviously don't know why as its the same reason why i have been editing out some of your comments, your not sticking to the point im making "you can turn it off ect... at any criticism," and the AMD part of your post has been done to death.


2) I agree with upto the free for the competition no one is asking for NV to give PhysX free to AMD but yet you and other keep saying that. Letting the NV card in a system run PhysX while having an AMD card in the system is not giving the competition anything.

Again done to death and again not the point.

Competition helps people and Companies that need it to progress, some of us progress regardless of the state of the Competition.

 

[omeds]

1) No you obviously don't know why as its the same reason why i have been editing out some of your comments, your not sticking to the point im making "you can turn it off ect... at any criticism," and the AMD part of your post has been done to death.


2) I agree with upto the free for the competition no one is asking for NV to give PhysX free to AMD but yet you and other keep saying that. Letting the NV card in a system run PhysX while having an AMD card in the system is not giving the competition anything.

Again done to death.

1/ I do know why I see your posts on many forums. I don't have to stick to the point you're making, because there's more to the story than the point you're making. There's no reason to edit my posts, I stand by what I said.

2/ I didn't say AMD or anyone else is asking Nv to give them "free PhysX", go ahead and quote me saying that if you can.
I was explaining the reason why Physx is proprietary, which is causing its stagnation in progress.
IF AMD licenced it, more games would use it, and there would be more progress.
OR if there was competition there would be incentive for more progress.
OR if it was open, more games would use it, and there would be more progress (but as we both now know Nv will not do that for the reasons I outlined above).

Knowing that Nv will not "open it for free", the only options to promote strong progress are strong competition, or licening. Without those, PhysX will continue at its current pace, being an after thought tacked on to games, primarily because games cannot be built from the ground up around PhysX due to the inability of a large user base to use the effects.

Competition helps people and Companies that need it to progress, some of us progress regardless of the state of the Competition.

Maybe they do, and thats nice. You know what else? some dont do anything at all, stagnating progress.

 

[Final8ty]

1/ I do know why I see your posts on many forums. I don't have to stick to the point you're making, because there's more to the story than the point you're making. There's no reason to edit my posts, I stand by what I said.

You you don't understand the point of specifics thus don't address that specific point and reply with different obvious point that no one was questioning in the first place making your point pointless.

 

[omeds]

:whiste:

No I addressed the points in question, you are just unable, or choose not to, understand them it seems.

 

[SirPauly]

Which mean you cant say that some are letting idealism get in the way seeing as the definition is subjective in itself.

And saying something is better than nothing is purely making excuse for the lack of progress and is sending out the wrong message, " hey we are happy with anything you want to offer as long as uses it X,Y,Z, progress as slow as you like we are happy for just having X,Y,Z in the first place.
PhysX has moved monumentality slow and could be considered backwards since Cellfactor.

imho,

The beef really isn't PhysX but Cuda and considering the resources invested by nvidia for their GPU's to excel with Cuda; it's understandable. You don't have to agree with it and the market may decide where it goes.

 

[Final8ty]

:whiste:

No I addressed the points in question, you are just unable, or choose not to, understand them it seems.

I do as i said i agree with some of your point but they are all so obvious that they did not need to be said.

How has anything you have said got to do with someone liking a specific effect and another person not, because that was my original point today, but between you and SirPauly, its now about its better than nothing, you can turn it off and if AMD did this and that if people criticise the effect, which none of that would change preference for specific effects or its implementation, you like it or you don't it does not matter which company is doing it.

 

[Final8ty]

imho,

The beef really isn't PhysX but Cuda and considering the resources invested by nvidia for their GPU's to excel with Cuda; it's understandable. You don't have to agree with it and the market may decide where it goes.

NV decide where it goes not the market.

 

[BallaTheFeared]

NV decide where it goes not the market.

Pretty sure Huang browses our forum to decide his next move.