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Have you read the Health Care bill ? What I found

Modelworks

Modelworks

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Curious how many have look at the health care bill . I was thinking it would be hard to follow after the media made it sound like it was written in greek, but it actually isn't too bad.
http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf

And the best thing of all is that being a pdf file you can search by keyword 🙂

Page 116 discusses abortion and what is / is not covered.:
Abortions are not covered by federal money
Insurance companies cannot discriminate against someone because they approve of abortion or refuse to pay clinics that provide them.
School clinics may not provide abortion services.

Roughly $15 million going to Indian Affairs for things like clinics and health care locations, Indians also get special exemptions under the plan. $75 million per year dedicated to Indian affairs.Income from Indian health care benefit is exempt from gross income calculations. Exemption from certain taxes. This is one time it might be a good thing to be Indian with the government.

States may form compacts so that they share the cost between multiple states.
Some coverage will still require multiple plans so you may need one for dental, one for general medicine , etc.
Married couples must file a joint return - not sure if I like that one.
Illegal immigrant coverage is on page 274 and what is required to prove if you are covered.
Drug manufacturers must pay yearly to the Treasury


Secretary may negotiate prices for vaccines on a national level.
Elimination of limit on number of officers in service corps.
Physicians are required to report any funds or items of value received from medically related companies including gifts, food, charitable contributions.

Background checks for all medical employees
Secretary may seize orginazations deemed to be a danger to public safety including lack of ability to provide services ( insurance companies better not fail)
Secretary may release personal information to other government agencies related to any audit, examination , or inquiry.
Secretary control of medical device prices


Grants:
Studies into post partum depression.
Personal Responsibilty Education
Abstinence Education
Healthcare power of attorney education
Research into how to best provide information sharing
Emergency medicine research
Trauma services
Study on accuracy of prescription labeling
$50 million to school based health care facilities
Research into oral health diseases
Community tranformation grants for healthier communities - want a new park, this is your ticket 🙂
Research on optimizing the delivery of public health services
Research of pain and treatment options
Federal Student Loans for doctors that are considered paid if a doctor practices for 10 years
Federal Student Loans for nurses
Pediatric specialty loans for doctors willing to enter that field.
Healthcare worker loans repaid at a rate of $35,000 per year of work in related field.
Nurse Managed Health clinics
Colleges and university grants to improve education
5 - year campaign with CDC to create oral healthcare prevention

New agencies and such:
Office of Womens Health
National Prevention, Health Promotion and Public Health Council
Preventitive Services Task Force
Community preventitive services task force
Education and outreach campaign
Interagency Pain Research Coordinating Committee
National Health Care Workforce Commission
Ready Reserve Service Corps
United States Public Health Services Track
Agency for Health Care Research and Quality
Patient Centered Outcome Research Institute
Advisory board on Edler care and Abuse
Class program - Community living Assistance Services and Supports


Restaurtants must provide nutritional labeling information
vending machines must post information on contents of items in machine so that it can be viewed before purchasing.
Employer must provide reasonable break time for nursing mothers as well as a place to do so but is not required to pay the employee for the time

Taxes:
EXcess benefit tax - 40% of the excess benefit amount
$50,000 tax for organizations failing to meet charitable organization provider
.5 percent tax on wages in any year after 2012 for anyone making more than $250K jointly or $200K in other cases
5% tax on amount paid for comsemtic surgrery


If someone could read page 364 and help me understand it I would appreciate it. I can't understand if it is saying they support asssisted suicide or they are against it.
 
Darwin333 said:
Even I think thats messed up and its my state getting the money. Besides, I bet Mary could have gotten triple that if her dumb ass woulda held out a little longer.
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You're probably right. Gotta laugh at all the arm twisting that is being done to get this piece of crap passed.
 
heh. they seem to have forgotten to stick in the part about healthcare reform.

there is some decent stuff in your list, and not a whole lot i can see reasonable people getting too up in arms about. but from what i've been reading, it doesn't seem as much of a healthcare reform bill as just a group of small healthcare-related provisions- i fail to see how any of this will really impact the insurance barons.

edit- not to sound entirely negative. sure, a search for 'public option' of course yields zero results, but at least it's better than nothing...
 
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Modelworks said:
If someone could read page 364 and help me understand it I would appreciate it. I can't understand if it is saying they support asssisted suicide or they are against it.
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It’s a protection for health care institutions that do not wish to offer assisted suicide services in areas where it is legal to do so.
 
brblx said:
there is some decent stuff in your list, and not a whole lot i can see reasonable people getting too up in arms about. but from what i've been reading, it doesn't seem as much of a healthcare reform bill as just a group of small healthcare-related provisions- i fail to see how any of this will really impact the insurance barons.
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I really didn't see much at all in regards to overall reform. There is a ton of stuff though about changes for medicare and medicaid, it probably makes up over half the bill.
 
Modelworks said:
I really didn't see much at all in regards to overall reform. There is a ton of stuff though about changes for medicare and medicaid, it probably makes up over half the bill.
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all i see in regards to coverage of the poor is some stuff about those too poor to buy insurance but uneligible for medicaid. that could be good or bad.

i feel like it's probably going to end up just like education money- many are too poor to afford it themselves but too wealthy for government help. if anything, it seems like lower-middle class families usually have it harder in this country than those who are truly poverty-stricken.
 
dmcowen674 said:
The more crappier the better

The more it pisses off you Republicans the better 😀
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Shouldn't you be saying, "The more it helps Americans the better?" Or are you just interested in hurting Republicans at any cost? Why do you vote Republican if you hate them so much?
 
Fear No Evil said:
Shouldn't you be saying, "The more it helps Americans the better?" Or are you just interested in hurting Republicans at any cost? Why do you vote Republican if you hate them so much?
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That about the sum of it, they hate America, and republicans so much they'll flush the whole country down the toilet just to be able to say "HA!". It's amusing reading all the hateful comments from the left, pretending they are supporting this crap because it helps people, but their banter gives them away.
 
so you think all the dem politicians just want to pass a bill in order to rub it in the faces of the repubs, and do not care one bit for the people?

then why can't they pass a bill with the majority they have? what is the fighting about? do you honestly think they've been in session for months simply discussing the best ways to screw the republicans?

what you're describing is actually, in fact, exactly what the repubs are doing- unamimously voting down every piece of new legislation in an attempt to make the dems look useless. maybe turn your brain on before your next post.
 
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so you think all the dem politicians just want to pass a bill in order to rub it in the faces of the repubs, and do not care one bit for the people?

then why can't they pass a bill with the majority they have? what is the fighting about? do you honestly think they're been in session for months simply discussing the best ways to screw the republicans?

what you're describing is actually, in fact, exactly what the repubs are doing- unamimously voting down every piece of new legislation in an attempt to make the dems look useless. maybe turn your brain on before your next post.
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This.
 
once they crank up the hiring for the new departments bo will have his 3mm jobs... and ya wanna bet what union they'll belong to?

welcome to the new order...
 
brblx said:
so you think all the dem politicians just want to pass a bill in order to rub it in the faces of the repubs, and do not care one bit for the people?

then why can't they pass a bill with the majority they have? what is the fighting about? do you honestly think they've been in session for months simply discussing the best ways to screw the republicans?

what you're describing is actually, in fact, exactly what the repubs are doing- unamimously voting down every piece of new legislation in an attempt to make the dems look useless. maybe turn your brain on before your next post.
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The Republicans can't stop anything. The Democrats can't agree because its a shitty bill.
 
Fear No Evil said:
Shouldn't you be saying, "The more it helps Americans the better?" Or are you just interested in hurting Republicans at any cost? Why do you vote Republican if you hate them so much?
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No that's the Republican's job by opposing everything and offering NOTHING. Good luck in 2012 lol
 
brblx said:
so you think all the dem politicians just want to pass a bill in order to rub it in the faces of the repubs, and do not care one bit for the people?
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Follow the trail of bread crumbs, I was talking about some of the posters here. Lots of desperate hate, some are so deluded that even in the face of absolute proof still go on, and on.
 
Ausm said:
No that's the Republican's job by opposing everything and offering NOTHING. Good luck in 2012 lol
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Some republicans have offered more than a couple bills, and ideas. You guys really need to make up your mind, are the republicans ineffectual nobodies, or do they still have enough power to keep a dem super-majority from being able to do anything, it can't be both.

The people have given the dems a shot, all posts, and they are failing miserably...good luck in 2012.
 
xj0hnx said:
Some republicans have offered more than a couple bills, and ideas. You guys really need to make up your mind, are the republicans ineffectual nobodies, or do they still have enough power to keep a dem super-majority from being able to do anything, it can't be both.

The people have given the dems a shot, all posts, and they are failing miserably...good luck in 2012.
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Your going to be buried in 2012 why do you think your side is opposing everything because they know this to be true. They have nothing of value to give to this debate because they could give a fuck less about the over health of America. All they care about is the corporate bottom line.
 
Ausm said:
Your going to be buried in 2012 why do you think your side is opposing everything because they know this to be true. They have nothing of value to give to this debate because they could give a fuck less about the over health of America. All they care about is the corporate bottom line.
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My side? my side is America, so yea, once this piece of shit masquerading as legislature goes through my side is toast. Also thanks for being a shining example of what I was talking about earlier, you can always count on the loony left for some things.
 
xj0hnx said:
My side? my side is America, so yea, once this piece of shit masquerading as legislature goes through my side is toast. Also thanks for being a shining example of what I was talking about earlier, you can always count on the loony left for some things.
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Just as we can count on the loony right for some things...

Liberals hate America? That is so 4 elections ago...
 
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