Hey dumbass, did small pox instantly go away when the smallpox vaccine was administered? No.. it took time, cycles if you while, for the the virus to disappear because of vaccines. Every cycle smallpox diminished until there was non existent. IF everyone gets vaccinated, the same thing would happen with COVID. But because 1/3 of the country refuses to vaccinate, it's not happening. Yes, the rest of the world also have to vaccinate, and that is another hurdle, but we can't focus on the rest of the world until we get shit done in our own country.
What part of that people that got booster continue catching it do you not understand? The vaccine is not that effective against Covid to keep even boosted from catching it.
Less likely to not only get it, but to also pass it on. No one ever said the vaccine stops transmission 100%, but it lowers it significantly as well as reducing symptoms. The biggest piece of evidence is the 9:1 ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated who get hospitalized. The ratio is even worse for non vaccinated on deaths. How is this so hard to understand? Just look at ICU numbers. Omicron is spiking atm, and while it appears it is less deadly than Delta the huge spike in infections will translate to a spike in deaths (less proportional to Delta), but still significant. Lets go Darwin!
Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)
CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.
Fenixgoon
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ah yes, if something doesn't work 100% we shouldn't do it at all. a very sound methodology, especially when it comes to things like public health and/or risk mitigation
ch33zw1z
Lifer
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Its been months and months of explaining to him why it's a dumb stance. He simply doesn't care
This.
After his recent "I don't want to get booster because I'm giving the government the finger" routine he's not even worth reading much less responding.
He lacks the skillset to understand.
Meghan54
Lifer
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Well, that's been the conservative MO for a long time. If your proposed solution to a problem doesn't immediately fix 100% of said problem, why bother doing anything at all? Have heard that drivel over and over and over......
So that is why CDC says
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If You Test Positive for COVID-19 (Isolate)
Everyone, regardless of vaccination status.
- Stay home for 5 days.
- If you have no symptoms or your symptoms are resolving after 5 days, you can leave your house.
- Continue to wear a mask around others for 5 additional days.
link
SteveGrabowski
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My area won't even post their's now. They're supposed to every Tuesday afternoon and here we are Thursday night and they still only have numbers for the week ending 12/17.
COVID-19 Community Levels
Explore data including: New cases rate, new COVID-19 hospital admissions rate, and % Staffed Inpatient Beds in Use by Patients with Confirmed COVID-19 7-day cumulative case rate.
covid19.sanantonio.gov
SteveGrabowski
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My parents went on a cruise a few weeks weeks ago with some friends who had not had a booster while they got their's in September. All four of their friends that they ate every meal with and hung out together for a week with on that ship came back COVID positive while my parents didn't.
For all we know they wouldn't have gotten it regardless. Each person immune system is different.
SteveGrabowski
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H T C
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That's "not much": with Portugal's over 28.5K Thursday, and when accounting for population difference VS USA (about 32 times the population), that's about 912K new daily cases ...
Against hospitalizations, though not 100% effective.
These vaccines were A LOT more effective against transmission of the ORIGINAL VARIANT, but not AS EFFECTIVE against transmission of the various subsequent variants, unfortunately.
No. Try again. The vaccine is extremely effective, just not against symptomatic infection.
Vaccination cuts your odds of dying from COVID by around 90%+, which sounds very, very effective to me. I’m sure you agree.
Meghan54
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He does not understand what an effective vaccine can and/or should do.....he's got a very narrow set of assumptions about vaccines in that they, the vaccines, should immunize the vaccinated population, which is a belief that's just ignorance....willful or not.
And since these vaccines do not immunize, why, they must be worthless!!!!
ch33zw1z
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Yep, not every illness or ailment will work like that. There's examples like smallpox or polio that humans have been very successful at almost eliminating completely afaik, but something like influenza or coronavirus isn't the same monster.
Once again, with some swift keystrokes on your keyboard, you prove your stupidity and lack of understanding how vaccines and boosters work. No vaccine in history has been 100% in preventing catching a virus, but they sure do help your immune system fight off the virus, making you less acceptable to catching it, and/or having long term serious effects from it. Which is why it takes "cycles" for a virus that the population has been vaccinated for, to die off and disappear, and why it just doesn't instantly disappear.
It took 104 years for smallpox to fully disappear after the first vaccination , which was only possible because of the vaccine and boosters. (Yes, smallpox has boosters which should be administered every 3 years to stay protected).
Now run along and put some effort in educating yourself on how the vaccine and the booster work, and stop wasting our time with your stupidity.
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I am not sure exactly how I got it but it PROBABLY stems from hanging out on December 23rd with my family. But who really knows. All of our kids have been in school masking up and stuff. And we all take the normal precautions. We live in one of the most vaccinated counties in the country too.
I started with a scratchy throat on Xmas night and then on Sunday I felt like I had a bad cold with sore throat. I took an at home test and it was negative.
The next day my sister calls me and tells me she tested positive. I was with her on Thursday at a family gathering.
So I tested myself again with an at home test and again, negative.
The afternoon of that day my 16 month old developed a fever that ended up getting up to 101.8 in the evening, then by Tuesday evening he had no fever.
Tuesday I tried to get a real test for myself and my fam and it was nearly impossible. We drove around trying to get tests for us yesterday too and no luck but I ended up doing one myself and got the AG result back around 8pm and it was positive.
This morning we got tests for the rest of the fam. My wife and 6 year old were negative on the AG test so they took a PCR test. My 16 month old was positive on the AG test so he has it. I'm guessing he's on the upswing since he's been fine for a few days now but it's still in his system.
At the gathering last Thursday it was 9 adults and 6 kids. All 9 adults were full vaxxed with booster. 5 of the kids were fully vaccinated, and the only one that wasn't was my 16 month old, for obvious reasons.
I'm glad that we are all boostered up though because I'm guessing that is a major reason why symptoms were pretty mild. I still feel like I got a cold but it's been getting better every day.
Today I woke up and don't have much cold symptoms of a cold, very slight symptoms of a cold. I do have a headache though but I am sleeping in another room right now and it could be the pillow. I took my temp and I may have a VERY slight fever. It was 99.0 and 98.8 but typically with this thermometer I have lower than that but who knows. My headache does feel like a "fever" headache though. I took advil so we'll see.
I was hoping to have to isolate in my basement and have an excuse to just play my pin all day after I'm done working, but now that my 16 month old has it too, then I can help out there.
Also, had my sister never told me she tested positive, I would have never known I had covid because I took that test and it was negative so I would have had no reason to think about testing again. I would have just chalked it up to being a cold, and this time of year, it's super common for me to have one.
Zorba
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Or people actually think if everyone gets vaccinated we'll stop over filling hospitals and Rona will stop being the leading cause of Death in the US. People can live with a mild cold for a few days.
But really, who would take it if the only thing it did is save your life? Lol.
Nobody claims it will "go away.". Has influenza gone away?
And yet I've never seen you address or even offer a solution for what to do about surges that essentially cripple the healthcare system in this country, or healthcare provider burnout. Honestly those are probably the two biggest issues at this point.
His answer was that he doesn’t want to get vaccinated because he likes to thumb his nose at the government.
That’s right, he’s willing to risk serious illness and death because he thinks It makes some people he’s never met that are part of some nebulous body mad. His reasoning really is that stupid.
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