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Hate group count hits 20-year high amid rise in white supremacy, report says

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Report lines up with the FBI statistics an almost 20% rise in hate crimes since Trump took office.

The count of active groups that the civil rights organization labels as espousing hate climbed to 1,020, up from 784 four years ago, and was propelled by a rise in extremism, the center said. From 2017 to 2018 alone, the tally rose 7 percent.

The groups range from white supremacists to black nationalists, neo-Nazis to neo-Confederates.
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The most significant growth over the past two years has been in white nationalist organizations, up from 193 to 264, said Beirich, who wrote the report. It marks a resurgence in the aftermath of the massive rally in 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia, that focused attention on the movement
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/newsu...e-supremacy-report-says/ar-BBTRgBr?ocid=ientp
 
In times of economic distress, people make scapegoats. Their fear turns to hate, and no one is easier to hate than the "other".
 
realibrad said:
By no means is this a US or even a Trump problem. We are seeing a rise in Hate Crimes outside of the US as well. Europe is also seeing a rise and Trump is not the cause of that. Hate is breeding hate.
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But it is a US and Trump problem. Did you mean to say "not exclusively?"

But this is an FBI report regarding US numbers exclusively, so I'm not sure how relevant it is to distract the topic with "all countries!"
 
zinfamous said:
But it is a US and Trump problem. Did you mean to say "not exclusively?"

But this is an FBI report regarding US numbers exclusively, so I'm not sure how relevant it is to distract the topic with "all countries!"
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Trump no doubt adds to the problem, but, Trump winning is also a symptom of the problem. Trump could not have won if people were not angry.

So, my point is that we have a big problem in the west right now that is promoting people to places of power that we should not want in Power. Those people are going to take a bad situation and exacerbate it.

When you see the same outcome happening in multiple places, it seems rational to think that there might be a larger underlying issue no?
 
realibrad said:
By no means is this a US or even a Trump problem. We are seeing a rise in Hate Crimes outside of the US as well. Europe is also seeing a rise and Trump is not the cause of that. Hate is breeding hate.
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Please don't casually dismiss Trump's effect. He's not the sole instigator, but you know damn well that American hate groups have been emboldened by Trump and often cite him directly as an influence. Hell, that one synagogue shooter said he acted in part because he didn't think Trump was going far enough... which is effectively saying that he thought Trump was going in the right direction.
 
I bet the violence caused by every hate group combined in America in a year doesn't equal the assaults and body count of one rough weekend in Chicago.
 
realibrad said:
Trump no doubt adds to the problem, but, Trump winning is also a symptom of the problem. Trump could not have won if people were not angry.

So, my point is that we have a big problem in the west right now that is promoting people to places of power that we should not want in Power. Those people are going to take a bad situation and exacerbate it.

When you see the same outcome happening in multiple places, it seems rational to think that there might be a larger underlying issue no?
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No one in the world has put into practice an economic solution for Capitalism's evolution where labor is devalued. The stress this evolution is causing is huge. Humans still have not figured out how economy works, and how to sufficiently manage it in a way that does not leave us snipping at each other and fighting to the death over the crumbs.

We hate others more now, because now more than ever we hate our place in life. The economic fear and uncertainty breaks down civil society. We can literally unmake Western Civilization if we do nothing but sit idly by and watch it burn.
 
Commodus said:
Please don't casually dismiss Trump's effect. He's not the sole instigator, but you know damn well that American hate groups have been emboldened by Trump and often cite him directly as an influence. Hell, that one synagogue shooter said he acted in part because he didn't think Trump was going far enough... which is effectively saying that he thought Trump was going in the right direction.
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See my next post. Trump's effect is probably measurable, but, Hate Crimes were on the rise before Trump for a reason. Trump has no doubt been helping add to the problem, but, it was a problem before him as well as a problem in other countries.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I bet the violence caused by every hate group combined in America in a year doesn't equal the assaults and body count of one rough weekend in Chicago.
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Hell, and one rough weekend in Chicago is nothing compared to the number of people killed by eating processed foods!
 
Pipeline 1010 said:
This is true, but we aren't exactly in times of economic distress right now. Something else is going on...
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By what measure? I would dispute the claim that people feel economically calm and secure. With 40+ years of trickle down and wage suppression, labor has been devalued far too much for society to function normally. Couples begging a third party to help pay the bills is not normal. It is one of many symptoms of our great malady.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I bet the violence caused by every hate group combined in America in a year doesn't equal the assaults and body count of one rough weekend in Chicago.
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What if the rough weekend in Chicago is caused by hate groups? I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. My personal experience is that people in hate groups are also abnormally more likely to smoke, so they might be a leading cause of second hand smoke as well. I've also seen that most avid gun owners eat processed foods. I am now thinking they are all the same problem.
 
Jaskalas said:
No one in the world has put into practice an economic solution for Capitalism's evolution where labor is devalued. The stress this evolution is causing is huge. Humans still have not figured out how economy works, and how to sufficiently manage it in a way that does not leave us snipping at each other and fighting to the death over the crumbs.

We hate others more now, because now more than ever we hate our place in life. The economic fear and uncertainty breaks down civil society. We can literally unmake Western Civilization if we do nothing but sit idly by and watch it burn.
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The problem is that people value their status which requires that it be hierarchical. Human nature is driving many people to be unhappy. No economic system will ever remedy that issue.
 
Jaskalas said:
By what measure? I would dispute the claim that people feel economically calm and secure. With 40+ years of trickle down and wage suppression, labor has been devalued far too much for society to function normally. Couples begging a third party to help pay the bills is not normal. It is one of many symptoms of our great malady.
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By the measure of low unemployment and steady (although stagnant wrt inflation) wages. The gap between haves and have nots has grown, but the gap isn't the end-all measure of economic distress. I still think there are more powerful variables at play than hate due only to economic distress.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I bet the violence caused by every hate group combined in America in a year doesn't equal the assaults and body count of one rough weekend in Chicago.
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Not surprisingly, there are statistics proving you wrong.

In 2017, there were 4,090 hate crime incidents against people. Now, if we remove the non-violent or unspecified acts (intimidation, etc.), there were 2,256 known violent hate incidents in the US that year. These numbers go up if you count individual offenses and victims.

Chicago's own police reports show a total of 16,075 violent crimes (murder, aggravated assault, aggravated battery). That's still an unfortunate statistic, but that amounts to an average of 44 violent crimes per day. So no, a rough weekend in Chicago doesn't even come close to the number of violent hate crimes committed in the US each year.
 
SMOGZINN said:
What if the rough weekend in Chicago is caused by hate groups? I don't think these things are mutually exclusive. My personal experience is that people in hate groups are also abnormally more likely to smoke, so they might be a leading cause of second hand smoke as well. I've also seen that most avid gun owners eat processed foods. I am now thinking they are all the same problem.
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Do you think gangs that murder people are love groups or hate groups?
 
Commodus said:
Not surprisingly, there are statistics proving you wrong.

In 2017, there were 4,090 hate crime incidents against people. Now, if we remove the non-violent or unspecified acts (intimidation, etc.), there were 2,256 known violent hate incidents in the US that year. These numbers go up if you count individual offenses and victims.

Chicago's own police reports show a total of 16,075 violent crimes (murder, aggravated assault, aggravated battery). That's still an unfortunate statistic, but that amounts to an average of 44 violent crimes per day. So no, a rough weekend in Chicago doesn't even come close to the number of violent hate crimes committed in the US each year.
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In one weekend in Chicago last summer there were 72 people shot. At least a dozen of them died. What is the body count from your hate groups? Why aren't white supremacist attacks highlighted constantly if they happen all the time? I wouldn't at all be shocked if "hate crimes" are exaggerated on a similar level as school shootings are.
 
SlowSpyder said:
In one weekend in Chicago last summer there were 72 people shot. At least a dozen of them died. What is the body count from your hate groups? Why aren't white supremacist attacks highlighted constantly if they happen all the time? I wouldn't at all be shocked if "hate crimes" are exaggerated on a similar level as school shootings are.
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Don't try to weasel out of this by changing the criteria. You claimed there were more violent crimes in one Chicago weekend than all violent hate crimes in the US. You are wrong. Will you admit this fact?

At best, you made a claim you didn't bother to verify. At worst, you knowingly lied. In both cases, you're a disingenuous, cowardly piece of shit.
 
SlowSpyder said:
I bet the violence caused by every hate group combined in America in a year doesn't equal the assaults and body count of one rough weekend in Chicago.
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We do know a single terrorist in 30 minutes exceeded the body count in Chicago in a weekend.

Oh that's right we all know why this guy could not have possibly a terrorist. Now let's get back on topic.
 
This is from Southern Poverty Law Center - the same group that considers Pepe and a number of other internet memes to be "hate symbols" or something along those lines.

They are incompetent fools who have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.

I have zero respect for someone that can't even do enough research to understand internet memes. They are utterly clueless morons.
 
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