Hate group count hits 20-year high amid rise in white supremacy, report says

[Meghan54]

Hell, and one rough weekend in Chicago is nothing compared to the number of people killed by eating processed foods!

Let's not forget second hand smoke....that' the real killer. You betcha!

 

[Commodus]

This is from Southern Poverty Law Center - the same group that considers Pepe and a number of other internet memes to be "hate symbols" or something along those lines.

They are incompetent fools who have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.

I have zero respect for someone that can't even do enough research to understand internet memes. They are utterly clueless morons.

Er, I'm sorry, but Pepe has been routinely used by hate groups. Richard Spencer used it frequently (he's been sued by Pepe's creator for abusing copyright). I've seen it used in multiple instances of anti-Semitic attacks on social networks, such as one that had Pepe in an SS uniform near an oven.

I have zero respect for someone like you, who's ignorant of how this imagery has been routinely, purposefully used for hate speech while simultaneously having the gall to label the SPLC as "incompetent fools."

 

[realibrad]

Er, I'm sorry, but Pepe has been routinely used by hate groups. Richard Spencer used it frequently (he's been sued by Pepe's creator for abusing copyright). I've seen it used in multiple instances of anti-Semitic attacks on social networks, such as one that had Pepe in an SS uniform near an oven.

I have zero respect for someone like you, who's ignorant of how this imagery has been routinely, purposefully used for hate speech while simultaneously having the gall to label the SPLC as "incompetent fools."

They used it as a way to troll people because the media believed 4chan.

 

[woolfe9998]

See my next post. Trump's effect is probably measurable, but, Hate Crimes were on the rise before Trump for a reason. Trump has no doubt been helping add to the problem, but, it was a problem before him as well as a problem in other countries.

AFAIK the first notable spike in hate crimes was in 2015. And the noted upsurge was mainly an increase in attacks against Muslims. Trump announced his candidacy in June that year and wasted no time pouring his bile all over Muslims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/fbi-hate-crimes-muslims.html

I don't know the degree of Trump's impact either. Causation can be difficult to determine. But if we're looking for correlations, we can't measure it from January 2017 when he took office. It has to be looked at from when he started his candidacy because that is when the rhetoric started and was heard on the national stage.

 

[realibrad]

AFAIK the first notable spike in hate crimes was in 2015. And the noted upsurge was mainly an increase in attacks against Muslims. Trump announced his candidacy in June that year and wasted no time pouring his bile all over Muslims.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/us/politics/fbi-hate-crimes-muslims.html

I don't know the degree of Trump's impact either. Causation can be difficult to determine. But if we're looking for correlations, we can't measure it from January 2017 when he took office. It has to be looked at from when he started his candidacy because that is when the rhetoric started and was heard on the national stage.

Trump saw where the hate was, and sought it out. That creates a feedback and it builds. But, we saw a rise that started in 2015 and has continued. The trend we see in the US is also roughly seen in the UK for the same time period. The same trend can be seen in France where 2014 was a low, and then grows in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018.

We are seeing the trend go up after 2014 in western countries. I see it more that Trump tapped into the hate which helped it grow. I do not think he is the cause of the trend that started before him and is happening in other countries.

 

[brandonbull]

See my next post. Trump's effect is probably measurable, but, Hate Crimes were on the rise before Trump for a reason. Trump has no doubt been helping add to the problem, but, it was a problem before him as well as a problem in other countries.

That was one of Obama's legacies in fomenting civil and racial unrest.

 

[HomerJS]

That was one of Obama's legacies in fomenting civil and racial unrest.

Measurable results vs stuff you pull out of your ass.

You need to try harder.

 

[realibrad]

That was one of Obama's legacies in fomenting civil and racial unrest.

Well, considering that under him we went to a record low, then thanks Obama?

 

[woolfe9998]

Trump saw where the hate was, and sought it out. That creates a feedback and it builds. But, we saw a rise that started in 2015 and has continued. The trend we see in the US is also roughly seen in the UK for the same time period. The same trend can be seen in France where 2014 was a low, and then grows in 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018.

We are seeing the trend go up after 2014 in western countries. I see it more that Trump tapped into the hate which helped it grow. I do not think he is the cause of the trend that started before him and is happening in other countries.

You seem to have missed my point. Trump's hateful rhetoric started in the year 2015, the same year we see a rise. Your argument that the increase in the US started before Trump is not true. It started the same year.

The right far in the US is connected to the far right in Europe. These groups communicate and coordinate. Also, the American POTUS has special significance in foreign countries in ways that their heads of state do not have here. The theory of connecting Trump to a rise in hate crimes and hate group activity is that Trump's rhetoric and bigotry has emboldened them. I don't see why the same can't be true for the far right in Europe, when they see that the "leader of the free world" is a fellow traveler.

It's also possible that there was a pre-existing rise in the far right which Trump took advantage of as you say. But if so, what was the cause? We suddenly see an increase throughout the west starting in 2015. What we're discussing here is an effect. Every effect has a cause. So if you don't think it's Trump, then what is it?

 

[realibrad]

You seem to have missed my point. Trump's hateful rhetoric started in the year 2015, the same year we see a rise.

The right far in the US is connected to the far right in Europe. These groups communicate and coordinate. Also, the American POTUS has special significance in foreign countries in ways that their heads of state do not have here. The theory of connecting Trump to a rise in hate crimes and hate group activity is that Trump's rhetoric an bigotry has emboldened them. I don't see why the same can't be true for the far right in Europe, when they see that the new "leader of the free world" is a fellow traveler.

It's also possible that there was a pre-existing rise in the far right which Trump took advantage of as you say. But if so, what was the cause? We suddenly see an increase throughout the west starting in 2015. What we're discussing here is an effect. Every effect has a cause. So if you don't think it's Trump, then what is it?

What makes you think it was the US that influenced Europe? Europe was going through a massive increase in immigration and there was a backlash because of it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/i...-arab-immigration-europe-170608135924754.html

Immigration started before 2015, but, it peeked in 2015. There appeared to be a willingness to take them in, but, it surged very quickly stoking underlying issues. It then spread to US news outlets stoking underlying issues here in the US. At the end of the Obama administration, there were talks about bringing over immigrants to the US. There was news report after news report about issues Europe was having taking in millions of immigrants.

That to me seems far more likely of a trigger than Trump.

 

[thilanliyan]

That was one of Obama's legacies in fomenting civil and racial unrest.

You mean certain people were angry that a guy like him ( ) was able to become president? Destroying their vanilla Utopia?

 

[hal2kilo]

What problem?

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/coa...-compiled-hit-list-investigators-say-1.569494

 

[Jhhnn]

This is from Southern Poverty Law Center - the same group that considers Pepe and a number of other internet memes to be "hate symbols" or something along those lines.

They are incompetent fools who have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.

I have zero respect for someone that can't even do enough research to understand internet memes. They are utterly clueless morons.

You're a bit behind the times, I'm afraid-

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2016/09/28/pepe-joins-echoes-new-hate-symbols

The swastika was once a symbol of good luck rather than Nazism, as well.

 

[woolfe9998]

What makes you think it was the US that influenced Europe? Europe was going through a massive increase in immigration and there was a backlash because of it.

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/i...-arab-immigration-europe-170608135924754.html

Immigration started before 2015, but, it peeked in 2015. There appeared to be a willingness to take them in, but, it surged very quickly stoking underlying issues. It then spread to US news outlets stoking underlying issues here in the US. At the end of the Obama administration, there were talks about bringing over immigrants to the US. There was news report after news report about issues Europe was having taking in millions of immigrants.

That to me seems far more likely of a trigger than Trump.

That last part about it spreading to the US is an opinion, not a fact. It's been theorized that the release of census data that year which showed that white people would no longer be a majority sooner than expected caused a surge. If we're looking for something besides Trump, that would be a better explanation of US extremism than European immigration.

I accept the fact that Trump is likely both an effect and a cause. Many variables can enter into these equations. It's nigh impossible that his contribution is anywhere near zero. The argument that gee, our racist president is only responsible for some of the increase in hate crimes is probably correct but then again, so what?

 

[zinfamous]

Er, I'm sorry, but Pepe has been routinely used by hate groups. Richard Spencer used it frequently (he's been sued by Pepe's creator for abusing copyright). I've seen it used in multiple instances of anti-Semitic attacks on social networks, such as one that had Pepe in an SS uniform near an oven.

I have zero respect for someone like you, who's ignorant of how this imagery has been routinely, purposefully used for hate speech while simultaneously having the gall to label the SPLC as "incompetent fools."

Even the dude that created Pepe recognizes it as a symbol of hate due to its virulent adoption by extreme rightwing hate groups all over the derposphere. I mean....if someonesmind has such little shame in calling out SPLC for "doing no research," he could have spent a maximum of 3 minutes on the google to inform himself about what Pepe has become.

the creator even "officially" killed-off Pepe, hoping that would be the end of it. Of course, it's not like Pepe is really owned by anyone at this point.

 

[realibrad]

That last part about it spreading to the US is an opinion, not a fact. It's been theorized that the release of census data that year which showed that white people would no longer be a majority sooner than expected caused a surge. If we're looking for something besides Trump, that would be a better explanation of US extremism than European immigration.

I accept the fact that Trump is likely both an effect and a cause. Many variables can enter into these equations. It's nigh impossible that his contribution is anywhere near zero.

Well, yes its opinion. I did not present it as fact.

If you are suggesting that its possible that we had rises in both the US and Europe but for distinct reasons, then its possible. What I think is more likely is that they are symbiotic.

 

[zinfamous]

That was one of Obama's legacies in fomenting civil and racial unrest.

I know right? How dare that damn Obama be all black and stuff! It's his fault for being black that racists hate black people and for some completely unexplainable reason, get much louder and much angrier when a black man is in charge!

 

[HomerJS]

That was one of Obama's legacies in fomenting civil and racial unrest.

It's like my thread of black people being harassed for just exiting. Obama fomented hate by just being black.

 

[woolfe9998]

Well, yes its opinion. I did not present it as fact.

If you are suggesting that its possible that we had rises in both the US and Europe but for distinct reasons, then its possible. What I think is more likely is that they are symbiotic.

I think it's multi-causal, that there are separate reasons and they are also symbiotic. The symbiotic part can go both ways, but I think we tend to influence them more than the other way around because they follow our politics there more than we follow there's here. If a far right candidate in Europe is making racist remarks, most Americans probably don't even know about it. If an American presidential candidate is doing that, most people in Europe probably do know about it.

 

[realibrad]

I think it's multi-causal, that there are separate reasons and they are also symbiotic. The symbiotic part can go both ways, but I think we tend to influence them more than the other way around because they follow our politics there more than we follow there's here. If a far right candidate in Europe is making racist remarks, most Americans probably don't even know about it. If an American presidential candidate is doing that, most people in Europe probably do know about it.

I think you are too focused on a leader being the influence, and I think that is a mistake. I think its quite possible that the feelings are partly and in my opinion mainly a grassroots thing.

The US media was picking up the influx of immigrants into Europe. Further, the negative incidents that happened were shown quite a bit. I imagine those stories were far more prevalent in Europe as well. Seeing that Europeans started to swing left and we get things like Brexit. The US seeing it also reacts. Then, we start seeing large groups coming to the southern border in the media and we have much of the same reaction.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think you are too focused on a leader being the influence, and I think that is a mistake. I think its quite possible that the feelings are partly and in my opinion mainly a grassroots thing.

The US media was picking up the influx of immigrants into Europe. Further, the negative incidents that happened were shown quite a bit. I imagine those stories were far more prevalent in Europe as well. Seeing that Europeans started to swing left and we get things like Brexit. The US seeing it also reacts. Then, we start seeing large groups coming to the southern border in the media and we have much of the same reaction.

Like I said, I accept that Trump is both cause and effect. We can debate the relative contributions of the two. Then again, the conclusion that you are urging is that we have a lot of racists here who decided to elect a racist POTUS. This doesn't soften what is wrong on the right. Frankly, it would be better for them if it was mainly down to Trump.

 

[realibrad]

Like I said, I accept that Trump is both cause and effect. We can debate the relative contributions of the two. Then again, the conclusion that you are urging is that we have a lot of racists here who decided to elect a racist POTUS. This doesn't soften what is wrong on the right. Frankly, it would be better for them if it was mainly down to Trump.

I have tried to get this across to people for a while now. People think that I am defending the Right when I disagree with them. I am not protecting the Right. I am attempting to explain what I see and why I think its happening.

That is what makes it so hard to have a discussion. People try and cram me in the box of the Right because I disagree with their opinion on what is happening. It is not that I disagree with the idea that the Right has issues, its that I disagree with the person about their opinion. Its as if people think that their opinion is perfect, so that a challenge to it must mean they are on the opposing side.

 

[darkswordsman17]

This is from Southern Poverty Law Center - the same group that considers Pepe and a number of other internet memes to be "hate symbols" or something along those lines.

They are incompetent fools who have no clue what the fuck they are talking about.

I have zero respect for someone that can't even do enough research to understand internet memes. They are utterly clueless morons.

Said without any intentional irony but brimming with so much actual irony. I like how you think that memes can only be funny nonsense and context apparently never matters (the most hilarious part is you genuinely think you're being objective about context when you clearly don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about). I also get a kick out of how you think just because 4Chan "trolling" by using those memes the same way white supremacists groups do somehow means that's all it ever was, while ignoring that 4Chan has a lot of blatantly racist/sexist idiots on it (that aren't just trolling). That your best defense of something is "4Chan was just trolling"...hahahaha, just holy shit, makes it impossible to take you seriously on anything related to this stuff.

You'd be so easy to recruit for cults that you'd be sucking their leader's dick by the first night. "Guys, I'm sure they super aren't a cult, they just like hanging out and having a good time, ok so the leader likes having a bunch of underage girls as wives and they preach fucking kids and think the end of the world is coming, but that's just like a meme, man - look at all the 4Channers talking about the same! - they don't really believe that, and like look people were wrong about Jonestown, they didn't even use Kool-Aid, it was Flavor Aid, so see the SPLC have no clue what the fuck they're talking about!"

 

[brycejones]

Measurable results vs stuff you pull out of your ass.

You need to try harder.

Dude that's the absolute best game brandonbullshit has. He just isn't educated enough or intelligent enough to do better.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Said without any intentional irony but brimming with so much actual irony. I like how you think that memes can only be funny nonsense and context apparently never matters (the most hilarious part is you genuinely think you're being objective about context when you clearly don't actually know what the fuck you're talking about). I also get a kick out of how you think just because 4Chan "trolling" by using those memes the same way white supremacists groups do somehow means that's all it ever was, while ignoring that 4Chan has a lot of blatantly racist/sexist idiots on it (that aren't just trolling). That your best defense of something is "4Chan was just trolling"...hahahaha, just holy shit, makes it impossible to take you seriously on anything related to this stuff.

You'd be so easy to recruit for cults that you'd be sucking their leader's dick by the first night. "Guys, I'm sure they super aren't a cult, they just like hanging out and having a good time, ok so the leader likes having a bunch of underage girls as wives and they preach fucking kids and think the end of the world is coming, but that's just like a meme, man - look at all the 4Channers talking about the same! - they don't really believe that, and like look people were wrong about Jonestown, they didn't even use Kool-Aid, it was Flavor Aid, so see the SPLC have no clue what the fuck they're talking about!"

/snooze, same old dribble - no arguments, just boring self-justification for your own stupidity.

Is this trolling? Or is now racist to do the O-Kay sign?

Or a better question: On a scale of 10 to 10, how fucking stupid are you?

Someone using something doesn't make it a racist object you insignificant dumb twat.

GUESS WHAT I HEARD? Racist KKK Members use toilet paper! That means we can't use it anymore otherwise... YOU'RE A RACIST! You wouldn't want to be racist, would you?