Has anyone heard TANNOY speakers?

[NanoStuff]

I'd imagine they'd sound pretty sweet, however as has been mentioned buying very expensive home speakers is a very poor return of interest. The markup on the 'prestige' factor is exorbitant.

If you want top-class sound at a price anyone keen enough on good audio can afford, you don't have to look much further than this:

Professional active speakers and the price is very right.

http://www.adam-audio.com/studio/midfield/s3a_data.htm

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
What sucker paid $50,000 for speakers ?

let me guess your the same fella whose going to say that your Logitech speakers sound as good as that $50,000 pair of Tannoys..heheeee

I use to work in High End Audio and know the huge price markups. Those $50,000 speakers are probably only worth $10,000 or less. The raw components aren't that expensive. The woodworking is usually what ends up costing the most and of course the shipping cost.

They laugh all the way to the bank.

You obviously did`nt work there very long! A good set of highend speakers are worth there weight in gold!
So what your saying is that your logitech speaker are as good as the Tannoys?
Its ok to admit your a neophyte when it comes to telling the difference between your Logitech and a pair of high end speakers. hehee

 

[CellarDoor]

The best speaker I've ever heard was the Magnepan 20.1. It was simply amazing. I've wanted a set of magnepans ever since.

 

[tweakmm]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
What sucker paid $50,000 for speakers ?

let me guess your the same fella whose going to say that your Logitech speakers sound as good as that $50,000 pair of Tannoys..heheeee

I use to work in High End Audio and know the huge price markups. Those $50,000 speakers are probably only worth $10,000 or less. The raw components aren't that expensive. The woodworking is usually what ends up costing the most and of course the shipping cost.

They laugh all the way to the bank.

You obviously did`nt work there very long! A good set of highend speakers are worth there weight in gold!
So what your saying is that your logitech speaker are as good as the Tannoys?
Its ok to admit your a neophyte when it comes to telling the difference between your Logitech and a pair of high end speakers. hehee

What he's saying is that there is a huge markup on high end speakers. Anyone with half a handy bone in their body can buy the parts seperately and build their own comparable speakers for a lot less.

And he is quite right.

 

[CalvinHobbes]

Originally posted by: mribnik1
The best speaker I've ever heard was the Magnepan 20.1. It was simply amazing. I've wanted a set of magnepans ever since.

A good set of Martin Logans are very nice as well.

 

[CellarDoor]

Originally posted by: CalvinHobbes

Originally posted by: mribnik1
The best speaker I've ever heard was the Magnepan 20.1. It was simply amazing. I've wanted a set of magnepans ever since.

A good set of Martin Logans are very nice as well.

I've heard a lot about those as well, but haven't had the opportunity to listen to them yet.

 

[Meuge]

Well, in audio, as in most other things, the law of diminishing returns comes into play after about $1000 (talking about speaker prices). So $1000 will probably get you 60% there... but every time you want to halve the distance to 100% from there, you'll pay 2X as much.

Granted, price does not always reflect quality. A friend of mine bought a pair of $20'000 boutique audiophile speakers that were truly horrendous. So much so, that they paled in comparison to mine, which are >20X cheaper.

However, I've heard a pair of $4000 Dali speakers about a month ago, and now I feel unsatisfied with my system. Oh well... it'll be years before I can afford those, so I'll just have to deal.

P.S. Audio system in sig for those who are curious.

 

[MasterOfKtulu109]

While I do love great music on great speakers, I would much rather have a Corvette.

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
What sucker paid $50,000 for speakers ?

let me guess your the same fella whose going to say that your Logitech speakers sound as good as that $50,000 pair of Tannoys..heheeee

I use to work in High End Audio and know the huge price markups. Those $50,000 speakers are probably only worth $10,000 or less. The raw components aren't that expensive. The woodworking is usually what ends up costing the most and of course the shipping cost.

They laugh all the way to the bank.

You obviously did`nt work there very long! A good set of highend speakers are worth there weight in gold!

No they aren't. There is no reason behind this statement and do not try to deny it.

So what your saying is that your logitech speaker are as good as the Tannoys?

He did not claim this. Nice try at a straw man argument, though.

 

[Extelleron]

I'm content with my McIntosh audio system with Thiel speakers for now. It cost, altogether, around $10k~ and I can't imagine much better. It's 20 years old (besides the speakers) , and still works like day 1.

Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

 

[Ichigo]

^^Nono, you do not care as much about audio quality as someone else might. Either because you can't hear the difference or whatever. 'Do not try to deny it'

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Well, in audio, as in most other things, the law of diminishing returns comes into play after about $1000 (talking about speaker prices). So $1000 will probably get you 60% there... but every time you want to halve the distance to 100% from there, you'll pay 2X as much.

Granted, price does not always reflect quality. A friend of mine bought a pair of $20'000 boutique audiophile speakers that were truly horrendous. So much so, that they paled in comparison to mine, which are >20X cheaper.

However, I've heard a pair of $4000 Dali speakers about a month ago, and now I feel unsatisfied with my system. Oh well... it'll be years before I can afford those, so I'll just have to deal.

P.S. Audio system in sig for those who are curious.

Anything in audio is a great deal when you look at how much Bose charges for their speaker systems. Low-quality, CRAP products, and high prices.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: tweakmm

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
What sucker paid $50,000 for speakers ?

let me guess your the same fella whose going to say that your Logitech speakers sound as good as that $50,000 pair of Tannoys..heheeee

I use to work in High End Audio and know the huge price markups. Those $50,000 speakers are probably only worth $10,000 or less. The raw components aren't that expensive. The woodworking is usually what ends up costing the most and of course the shipping cost.

They laugh all the way to the bank.

You obviously did`nt work there very long! A good set of highend speakers are worth there weight in gold!
So what your saying is that your logitech speaker are as good as the Tannoys?
Its ok to admit your a neophyte when it comes to telling the difference between your Logitech and a pair of high end speakers. hehee

What he's saying is that there is a huge markup on high end speakers. Anyone with half a handy bone in their body can buy the parts seperately and build their own comparable speakers for a lot less.

And he is quite right.

obviously if ANYONE could do it there wouldn't be such a markup for high end marked up speakers. you can hack some junk together and make a decent sounding speaker i'm sure, but some of these high end cabs are works of art. while i personally wouldn't pay 12k for a speaker, i can certainly see why someone else might.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
What sucker paid $50,000 for speakers ?

let me guess your the same fella whose going to say that your Logitech speakers sound as good as that $50,000 pair of Tannoys..heheeee

I use to work in High End Audio and know the huge price markups. Those $50,000 speakers are probably only worth $10,000 or less. The raw components aren't that expensive. The woodworking is usually what ends up costing the most and of course the shipping cost.

They laugh all the way to the bank.

You obviously did`nt work there very long! A good set of highend speakers are worth there weight in gold!

No they aren't. There is no reason behind this statement and do not try to deny it.

So what your saying is that your logitech speaker are as good as the Tannoys?

He did not claim this. Nice try at a straw man argument, though.

everytime i hear someone (read?) say "straw man arguement" i just want to stab them in the eye and scream "IS IT A STRAW MAN ARGUEMENT THAT THERE IS A SCREWDRIVER IN YOUR EYE?!?" i don't know why it sets me off like that, i probably need to talk to a doctor about it. well, other than the fact it sounds ridiculous and is the "elitist" trendy thing to say these days. all i hear is "i can't refute what you're saying, so i'll just throw out some trendy words and feel better about myself".

you are right, that he did not expressly say that logitech is better than tannoy, but in his defense that is generally what is said by people who claim to be high end audio specialists who claim that high end audio is a farce.

sorry to single you out, but i just couldn't hold that in anymore.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

Real as in a real waste of cash or did I miss your point?

I'm all for good audio, but there's a distinct difference between getting good equipment and a foolish expense.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

Real as in a real waste of cash or did I miss your point?

I'm all for good audio, but there's a distinct difference between getting good equipment and a foolish expense.

Don't kid yourself- if you had the money you'd buy it in a flash, just like I would. Listen to a system like that and then tell me it's "foolish."

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

Real as in a real waste of cash or did I miss your point?

I'm all for good audio, but there's a distinct difference between getting good equipment and a foolish expense.

Don't kid yourself- if you had the money you'd buy it in a flash, just like I would. Listen to a system like that and then tell me it's "foolish."

If I had the cash I'd buy myself a superior sounding yet far less expensive system and if nothing else, I'd spend the rest of the $161,000 on several of them and spread it around.

People who have $80,000 to spend on a pair of speakers aren't likely to have an ignorance level high enough to blow it on such an inferior system.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

Real as in a real waste of cash or did I miss your point?

I'm all for good audio, but there's a distinct difference between getting good equipment and a foolish expense.

Don't kid yourself- if you had the money you'd buy it in a flash, just like I would. Listen to a system like that and then tell me it's "foolish."

If I had the cash I'd buy myself a superior sounding yet far less expensive system and if nothing else, I'd spend the rest of the $161,000 on several of them and spread it around.

People who have $80,000 to spend on a pair of speakers aren't likely to have an ignorance level high enough to blow it on such an inferior system.

Good luck finding that "superior sounding and less expensive system." 😉

The fact that you call that system "such an inferior system" suggests to me that you aren't quite an audiophile.

 

[Meuge]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

Real as in a real waste of cash or did I miss your point?

I'm all for good audio, but there's a distinct difference between getting good equipment and a foolish expense.

Don't kid yourself- if you had the money you'd buy it in a flash, just like I would. Listen to a system like that and then tell me it's "foolish."

Actually the CD player is a total waste. Using a PC with SPDIF out into a decent DAC, like the Benchmark DAC-1, will give you the SAME performance as the most expensive CD player out there. The McIntosh 1s and 0s are no better than any other 1s and 0s.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Extelleron
The fact that you call that system "such an inferior system" suggests to me that you aren't quite an audiophile.

If you define yourself as an audiophile then I sure hope not.

I tend to look at a system more objectively. Judging it's technical limitations, and if possible it's specifications and then comparing that to it's asking price; unlike what you seem to be doing, that is finding the highest priced system and assuming it's able to reach expectations on that factor alone.

Multi-driver speakers such as those are ALWAYS compromised in fundamental characteristics which go from step response down to waterfall measurements and harmonic distortion. It's also very likely to be equalized through an analog network to give a good impression on a spectrum analyzer throguh a comprehensive analog network, and the sheer volume of drivers present indicate that the network will be very extensive and thus lossy. And that's before considering the immense budget branching on components of inevitably inferior specifications to a speaker with fewer components with a far higher alloted expenditure per component.

You obviously didn't take that into consideration, but that's what McIntosh is betting on; that you're going to be convinced by the price tag and looks alone, and not objectively evaluate the potential of the system.

Just for comparison's sake, between the Tannoy system of the OP and the McIntosh speakers you listed; price inconsiderate I'd take the Tannoys. Your choice of the other components is also far from realistic, but I think I've given you enough to ponder as is 🙂

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Meuge

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

Real as in a real waste of cash or did I miss your point?

I'm all for good audio, but there's a distinct difference between getting good equipment and a foolish expense.

Don't kid yourself- if you had the money you'd buy it in a flash, just like I would. Listen to a system like that and then tell me it's "foolish."

Actually the CD player is a total waste. Using a PC with SPDIF out into a decent DAC, like the Benchmark DAC-1, will give you the SAME performance as the most expensive CD player out there. The McIntosh 1s and 0s are no better than any other 1s and 0s.

lol, i hated the benchmark.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron
The fact that you call that system "such an inferior system" suggests to me that you aren't quite an audiophile.

If you define yourself as an audiophile then I sure hope not.

I tend to look at a system more objectively. Judging it's technical limitations, and if possible it's specifications and then comparing that to it's asking price; unlike what you seem to be doing, that is finding the highest priced system and assuming it's able to reach expectations on that factor alone.

Multi-driver speakers such as those are ALWAYS compromised in fundamental characteristics which go from step response down to waterfall measurements and harmonic distortion. It's also very likely to be equalized through an analog network to give a good impression on a spectrum analyzer throguh a comprehensive analog network, and the sheer volume of drivers present indicate that the network will be very extensive and thus lossy. And that's before considering the immense budget branching on components of inevitably inferior specifications to a speaker with fewer components with a far higher alloted expenditures per component.

You obviously didn't take that into consideration, but that's what McIntosh is betting on; that you're going to be convinced by the price tag and looks alone, and not objectively evaluate the potential of the system.

McIntosh isn't "betting" on anything. Before you would even CONSIDER buying a system like that, you'd want to audition it at a store first, along with other components of similar performance/price. If it doesn't perform, as you say it won't, then you don't buy it. And no, I haven't heard any of the components I talked about. I'd feel like a fool walking into a store and setting up an audition of $100,000+ components unless I was wearing a tux costing a few grand. 😀

McIntosh, Krell, anyone for that matter, isn't going to sell a system based on sheer "size" and the amount of drivers they can fit in. They're going to sell it because it sounds good and the people who have the money feel it's worth it.

Talk to someone who owns one before you go judging any speaker or audio system. Of course, which audio system sounds better to you will be different than the person down the road, and can also depend on which music you listen to.

 

[Apex]

Originally posted by: Meuge
Well, in audio, as in most other things, the law of diminishing returns comes into play after about $1000 (talking about speaker prices). So $1000 will probably get you 60% there... but every time you want to halve the distance to 100% from there, you'll pay 2X as much.

Granted, price does not always reflect quality. A friend of mine bought a pair of $20'000 boutique audiophile speakers that were truly horrendous. So much so, that they paled in comparison to mine, which are >20X cheaper.

However, I've heard a pair of $4000 Dali speakers about a month ago, and now I feel unsatisfied with my system. Oh well... it'll be years before I can afford those, so I'll just have to deal.

P.S. Audio system in sig for those who are curious.

When I read that, I thought you had a PS Audio System.

PS Audio

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: fisher

Originally posted by: Howard

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
What sucker paid $50,000 for speakers ?

let me guess your the same fella whose going to say that your Logitech speakers sound as good as that $50,000 pair of Tannoys..heheeee

I use to work in High End Audio and know the huge price markups. Those $50,000 speakers are probably only worth $10,000 or less. The raw components aren't that expensive. The woodworking is usually what ends up costing the most and of course the shipping cost.

They laugh all the way to the bank.

You obviously did`nt work there very long! A good set of highend speakers are worth there weight in gold!

No they aren't. There is no reason behind this statement and do not try to deny it.

So what your saying is that your logitech speaker are as good as the Tannoys?

He did not claim this. Nice try at a straw man argument, though.

everytime i hear someone (read?) say "straw man arguement" i just want to stab them in the eye and scream "IS IT A STRAW MAN ARGUEMENT THAT THERE IS A SCREWDRIVER IN YOUR EYE?!?" i don't know why it sets me off like that, i probably need to talk to a doctor about it. well, other than the fact it sounds ridiculous and is the "elitist" trendy thing to say these days. all i hear is "i can't refute what you're saying, so i'll just throw out some trendy words and feel better about myself".

you are right, that he did not expressly say that logitech is better than tannoy, but in his defense that is generally what is said by people who claim to be high end audio specialists who claim that high end audio is a farce.

sorry to single you out, but i just couldn't hold that in anymore.

Don't hold back. I wouldn't want you to die an early death. 😉

 

[Howard]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: NanoStuff

Originally posted by: Extelleron
Though, if you want a REAL audio setup:

McIntosh MC2KW Mono Block Amps $30,000EA x2 = $60,000
McIntosh C1000 Pre-amplifier = $18,000~
Pair of McIntosh XRT2K loudspeakers. $40,000EA x2 = $80,000/pr
McIntosh MCD201 CD player = $3,0000

TOTAL = $161,000 😉

http://www.mcintoshlabs.com/mcprod/shop...aker+Systems&prodid=1114&product=XRT2K

Real as in a real waste of cash or did I miss your point?

I'm all for good audio, but there's a distinct difference between getting good equipment and a foolish expense.

Don't kid yourself- if you had the money you'd buy it in a flash, just like I would. Listen to a system like that and then tell me it's "foolish."

If I had the cash I'd buy myself a superior sounding yet far less expensive system and if nothing else, I'd spend the rest of the $161,000 on several of them and spread it around.

People who have $80,000 to spend on a pair of speakers aren't likely to have an ignorance level high enough to blow it on such an inferior system.

Good luck finding that "superior sounding and less expensive system." 😉

The fact that you call that system "such an inferior system" suggests to me that you aren't quite an audiophile.

What, so something has to be expensive in order to be superior?

If I had enough time and money (and space), I could build a set of speakers that sounded better than the XRT2K while using "plainer" amps and source. Looking at them, they're just glorified line arrays. Great for the "wow" factor but hardly accurate if you're looking for live sound reproduction.