Has anyone gone from a Windows 7 machine to an Apple and thought OMG...

[HAL9000]

They aren't in different categories though and the car analogies still don't work so stop using them. They work if you're talking about lets say the MBP vs Dell/Lenovo/HP/etc, but not the OS they are using. The better analogy would be the fuel they run on, diesel or gasoline.

Windows is an operating system designed to run on anything, for anyone, cheap easy utilitarian software for the masses

OSX is an operating system designed to run on specific hardware, mainly workstations for people who want to pay extra for a superior experience.

 

[bfdd]

Windows is an operating system designed to run on anything, for anyone, cheap easy utilitarian software for the masses

OSX is an operating system designed to run on specific hardware, mainly workstations for people who want to pay extra for a superior experience.

lol ok there is no point in continuing this conversation

 

[HAL9000]

lol ok there is no point in continuing this conversation

I agree, you seem to think that unless a product benefits humanity it's a shiney bauble and therefore not a smart purchase, and are not able to explain...

Your argument ≠ logic.

 

[erikistired]

Office isn't Windows. Office is a piece of software that runs inside an OS. OBVIOUSLY the world would eventually move on, but shit would be fucked immediately and for awhile. I have no idea how you can even try to down play that. Put the kool-aid down son.

yes thank you, office isn't windows. like windows, it's a standard in the business world. like windows, if it was to disappear, something else would quickly take it's place. as often as windows machines crash, according to your logic all business would stop daily.

 

[xanis]

Work got me a 12 core Mac Pro and i7 MBP about a 2 months ago and I've been very pleased with them. I use Final Cut Studio and Adobe Creative Suite Master Collection and both machines are real workhorses.

The trackpad on the MBP is awesome. It's MUCH better than any trackpad I've used on a PC or Laptop.

All of that said, OS X is SOOOOOO not ready for the corporate environment. The way it handles (or doesn't in a lot of cases) simple task is downright frustrating. Netowrked drives, no address bar in finder (making it a pain in the ass to grab a simple file path), no version of ctrl+alt+delete or simple way to lock/log back in to a machine. I could go on, but for being such a "simple" to use OS, they are missing so many user friendly features that make your workflow simple and quick.

So while I really like the OS and love the build of the machines, they are far from perfect like a lot of people make them out to be. I still use windows at home and on a Dell laptop at work and miss things when I'm using the macs.

Uhh... what? Command + Esc is similar to Ctrl + Alt + Del. Lock/login is as simple as checking a box in System Preferences. I also don't see how you have issues with accessing files on a network under OS X. They're all there and easy to find under the nice "Shared" list. In fact, I often take my Macbook Pro into work and use it on the all-Windows network there without any problems. File paths can be found if you click "get info" on a folder.

 

[SSSnail]

Justin Beiber is a superior musician because he sells a lot of records.

Your argument, not mine.

A lot, compares to what? Your argument, not mine.

 

[JSt0rm]

this thread is amazing.

 

[zerocool84]

How did this thread get to 22 pages??? Was it just two people arguing???

 

[HAL9000]

How did this thread get to 22 pages??? Was it just two people arguing???

Not just two, other people got involved, I've just been defending the Mac bashing for as long as I can be arsed.

 

[WelshBloke]

Windows is an operating system designed to run on anything, for anyone, cheap easy utilitarian software for the masses

OSX is an operating system designed to run on specific hardware, mainly workstations for people who want to pay extra for a superior experience.

OSX is cheaper than Windows7.

 

[BladeVenom]

OSX is cheaper than Windows7.

+1.

I know the MS fanboys will say that Apple gets to spread the cost to the hardware, but MS has 20 times as many customers so they get to spread the development costs even more. So in all fairness Windows should be cheaper than OSX.

MS is really screwing over those who want to upgrade their OS, or those who build their own PCs. After all how much does MS charge Dell and other big vendors for an OEM copy? I've heard different estimates, but most are around the $20 range, yet isn't the list price for a Windows 7 upgrade $119.99, and that's for the cheap Home Premium version. OS X is only $29.99 and there's only one version, and it includes more and better software so it's really more comparable to Windows 7 Ultimate which is something like $200, which is an even worse rip off. Look at the Family Packs, you get 5 copies of OS X for only $50, but only 3 copies of Win 7 for $150.

It's just not worth upgrading to Windows 7 on an older PC when the cost of the OS is worth more than the computer. A $100 to upgrade the OS is far to much when you can get a brand new PC for $300.

If you want to build an inexpensive computer the OS is the biggest cost. Unless you make Hackintosh or use Linux. Microsoft's pricing to the consumer really sucks.

 

[WelshBloke]

+1.

I know the MS fanboys will say that Apple gets to spread the cost to the hardware, but MS has 20 times as many customers so they get to spread the development costs even more. So in all fairness Windows should be cheaper than OSX.

MS is really screwing over those who want to upgrade their OS, or those who build their own PCs. After all how much does MS charge Dell and other big vendors for an OEM copy? I've heard different estimates, but most are around the $20 range, yet isn't the list price for a Windows 7 upgrade $119.99, and that's for the cheap Home Premium version. OS X is only $29.99 and there's only one version, and it includes more and better software so it's really more comparable to Windows 7 Ultimate which is something like $200, which is an even worse rip off. Look at the Family Packs, you get 5 copies of OS X for only $50, but only 3 copies of Win 7 for $150.

It's just not worth upgrading to Windows 7 on an older PC when the cost of the OS is worth more than the computer. A $100 to upgrade the OS is far to much when you can get a brand new PC for $300.

If you want to build an inexpensive computer the OS is the biggest cost. Unless you make Hackintosh or use Linux. Microsoft's pricing to the consumer really sucks.

TBF though the price for Windows has to be met just through the software, Apple can spread that cost through hardware mark-ups as well.

 

[Fenixgoon]

OSX is cheaper than Windows7.

+1.

I know the MS fanboys will say that Apple gets to spread the cost to the hardware, but MS has 20 times as many customers so they get to spread the development costs even more. So in all fairness Windows should be cheaper than OSX.

MS is really screwing over those who want to upgrade their OS, or those who build their own PCs. After all how much does MS charge Dell and other big vendors for an OEM copy? I've heard different estimates, but most are around the $20 range, yet isn't the list price for a Windows 7 upgrade $119.99, and that's for the cheap Home Premium version. OS X is only $29.99 and there's only one version, and it includes more and better software so it's really more comparable to Windows 7 Ultimate which is something like $200, which is an even worse rip off. Look at the Family Packs, you get 5 copies of OS X for only $50, but only 3 copies of Win 7 for $150.

It's just not worth upgrading to Windows 7 on an older PC when the cost of the OS is worth more than the computer. A $100 to upgrade the OS is far to much when you can get a brand new PC for $300.

If you want to build an inexpensive computer the OS is the biggest cost. Unless you make Hackintosh or use Linux. Microsoft's pricing to the consumer really sucks.

so how many service packs have you bought for OSX? because that's exactly what each new feline-titled version of OSX is.

a new copy of Windows7 is like $100-$150. OSX is $100, IIRC.

 

[dwell]

so how many service packs have you bought for OSX? because that's exactly what each new feline-titled version of OSX is.

And Windows 7 is not just a service pack for Windows Vista? At least Snow Leopard only cost $30.

At the end of the day Apple does not give a crap about OS sales, they are a hardware company. That's why the OS was historically $129 until SL and there's no activation or 25-character product keys.

 

[MrX8503]

I linked a 15.6" Lenovo on Newegg that was 399.99. It had 4 gb of ram, an LED backlit LCD capable of 720p, a quick little dual core and a 320gb harddrive. The equiv from Apple is quite a bit more, around 700 dollar markup.

...O RLY? Is that why you said this....

So the trackpad alone is worth 700 dollars more for a 13"MBP than a 300" 10" netbook? While I do quite enjoy the Apple trackpad it is not worth 700 dollars.

Lets throw everything and the kitchen sink into the argument so that its convenient for you.

 

[HAL9000]

so how many service packs have you bought for OSX? because that's exactly what each new feline-titled version of OSX is.

a new copy of Windows7 is like $100-$150. OSX is $100, IIRC.

Going from 10.4 to 10.5 felt like going from xp to vista, you gained that many different features.

Going from 10.5 to 10.6 felt like going from vista to 7, you gained few features but everything got snappier.

 

[LikeLinus]

Uhh... what? Command + Esc is similar to Ctrl + Alt + Del. Lock/login is as simple as checking a box in System Preferences. I also don't see how you have issues with accessing files on a network under OS X. They're all there and easy to find under the nice "Shared" list. In fact, I often take my Macbook Pro into work and use it on the all-Windows network there without any problems. File paths can be found if you click "get info" on a folder.

1. Command+ESC on my MacBook Pro launches something called "Front Row". So much for consistency?

2. The way Mac handles networked drives isn't simply "hey I can connect to it!". I've explained this before. You failed to read in further detail. Inability to rename network drive shortcut on my desktop. Having to add the drives to a login script to have them reconnect everytime. Then when they connect they open the folder - which means I have 5 folders pop open every freaking time I login. Not to mention if I simply create a SMB drive alias it takes forever to connect. Windows connects like it's a local HardDrive. For some reason Mac is painfully slow to connect. In Windows 7, if the drive isn't available, it simply Xs out the drive and I cannot connect. But with my MacBook Pro, it ask for the login information for every single drive it cannot find and I have to cancel out of it. It just seems like a massive pain in the ass on a Mac to use network storage. Not to mention if I search for the answer I get 20 different ways of doing it involving Apple scripts, Automator, Plugins and all sorts of BS. It's not simple to do it RIGHT. It's always a "work around" or something that doesn't seem to just WORK. Example: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20070202190047133 Read all of the different ways people are doing it in the comments. Not to mention a freaking 15 step process??? Seriously? lol

3. Again, the simplicity of Windows having a toolbar that shows the full path like a URL is far simpler to use than having to use a key stroke or right click, get info and then having to cut or paste. If I need to cut and paste the path to 10 different files, Mac becomes a real pain in the ass.

Then there are thinks like the inability for it to use AVCHD files without a full file structure, yet Adobe can use just the file. I run into things like that on the Mac where it seems like Apple just intentionally makes it a pain in the ass for users.

I love the Mac, I really do, but it's frustrating sometimes.

 

[Joemonkey]

Uhh... what? Command + Esc is similar to Ctrl + Alt + Del. Lock/login is as simple as checking a box in System Preferences. I also don't see how you have issues with accessing files on a network under OS X. They're all there and easy to find under the nice "Shared" list. In fact, I often take my Macbook Pro into work and use it on the all-Windows network there without any problems. File paths can be found if you click "get info" on a folder.

Is there a way you can set this up so it applies to all Macs in a domain? Until I can set up something similar to Group Policy in a central location to make all my Macs go to password protected screensaver after 15 minutes of inactivity (as well as thousands of other group policies) then I can't use them in my corporate environment

 

[zinfamous]

as long as this thread is keeping necktard too busy to piss on other threads, I say let it live.

 

[erikistired]

as long as this thread is keeping necktard too busy to piss on other threads, I say let it live.

neckbeard. c'mon, we're trying to start a revolution here.

 

[bfdd]

yes thank you, office isn't windows. like windows, it's a standard in the business world. like windows, if it was to disappear, something else would quickly take it's place. as often as windows machines crash, according to your logic all business would stop daily.

sorry you can't tell the difference between Office and Windows there is no point in having any sort of conversation on the subject with you. you don't know what you're talking about in terms of this specific conversation so just shut up and move along.

 

[erikistired]

sorry you can't tell the difference between Office and Windows there is no point in having any sort of conversation on the subject with you. you don't know what you're talking about in terms of this specific conversation so just shut up and move along.

you're such a worthless troll. it's not even amusing anymore.

 

[bfdd]

...O RLY? Is that why you said this....



Lets throw everything and the kitchen sink into the argument so that its convenient for you.

First when I brought up the 10" netbook we were talking about completely daily tasks. he said the 10" screen wasn't big enough because there was 3" more real estate on the MBP. I found a 15.6" notebook that was 399.99 that would compete as well. Unless you just want to keep expounding your ignorance over what has already been said in this thread and are going to make me continually explain my posts because you refuse to read.

Seriously, I'm done with this thread because there really is no point in arguing with morons.

 

[bfdd]

you're such a worthless troll. it's not even amusing anymore.

says the guy who doesn't understand the difference between office and windows. yeah I'm the troll.

 

[HAL9000]

First when I brought up the 10" netbook we were talking about completely daily tasks. he said the 10" screen wasn't big enough because there was 3" more real estate on the MBP. I found a 15.6" notebook that was 399.99 that would compete as well. Unless you just want to keep expounding your ignorance over what has already been said in this thread and are going to make me continually explain my posts because you refuse to read.

Seriously, I'm done with this thread because there really is no point in arguing with morons.

Hah. "continually explain my posts because you refuse to read" It's not that, it's that you make outragous statements with no explanation, I've read every one of your posts, and not in a single one of them have you explained why if a product isn't sustaining life on the planet it isn't a smart buy :biggrin: