Has anyone gone from a Windows 7 machine to an Apple and thought OMG...

[Acanthus]

So...an Intel Atom = Core 2 Duo?

haha, ok....

No matter what your daily tasks are. You can find a PC that will do it for half the money.

 

[MrX8503]

While I don't agree with the pricing, you pay the extra to use a system where the software has been developed to run specifically with that hardware, meaning (generally) it just works, so to sum up you pay more for a Mac because it's a Mac. I for one think it's worth the money though I don't think that I normally pay $700 extra...

I think you missed the point. Everyone agrees that Macs have a premium. What I'm saying is that its not a $700 premium and using a netbook vs mbp to prove this is absolutely ridiculous, idiotic really.

No matter what your daily tasks are. You can find a PC that will do it for half the money.

So an Intel Atom is cheaper than a Core 2 duo, Whats the revelation here? When I buy a Honda Civic I compare it to a Ford focus not a Ferrari.

Think people

 

[HAL9000]

I think you missed the point. Everyone agrees that Macs have a premium. What I'm saying is that its not a $700 premium and using a netbook vs mbp to prove this is absolutely ridiculous, idiotic really.

Oh yeah, sorry didn't spot that, no it is a ridiculous comparison, It's like saying why spend $2,000 on a gaming rig? You can buy an old N64 for $25 and that plays games... yeah, but...

 

[HAL9000]

No matter what your daily tasks are. You can find a PC that will do it for half the money.

Hmm... No... If your daily tasks involve running OSX.... then you can't...

 

[Acanthus]

I think you missed the point. Everyone agrees that Macs have a premium. What I'm saying is that its not a $700 premium and using a netbook vs mbp to prove this is absolutely ridiculous, idiotic really.



So an Intel Atom is cheaper than a Core 2 duo, Whats the revelation here? When I buy a Honda Civic I compare it to a Ford focus not a Ferrari.

Think people

1. There is no equivalent Mac.
2. People were going on and on about battery life.

Like i said, whatever your priorities are, there is a PC that does it for half.

 

[HAL9000]

1. There is no equivalent Mac.
2. People were going on and on about battery life.

Like i said, whatever your priorities are, there is a PC that does it for half.

No there isn't. My priority in this instance is OSX.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

No there isn't. My priority in this instance is OSX.

Hackintosh.

 

[HAL9000]

Hackintosh.

Hackintoshs don't work as well as macs, believe me they're getting there but they aren't yet.

 

[sportage]

Has anyone gone from a Windows 7 machine to an Apple and thought OMG....

Think of it this way...
#1. There is the person that buys a car and only cares about putting in gas and turning on the key as their only usable knowledge of their car.
#2. Then there are those that want to change the oil, brakes and do all tune-ups themselves.

#1 would love the mac.
#2 would only be satisfied with a pc.

 

[HAL9000]

Think of it this way...
#1. There is the person that buys a car and only cares about putting in gas and turning on the key as their only usable knowledge of their car.
#2. Then there are those that want to change the oil, brakes and do all tune-ups themselves.

#1 would love the mac.
#2 would only be satisfied with a pc.

This is untrue, I built my Mac from the ground up except for the case and the logic board... I'm a Mac owner because I want to be, not because I don't know anything about computers.

 

[halik]

Hackintoshs don't work as well as macs, believe me they're getting there but they aren't yet.

Umm once you set it up, it's the same thing...

I went from dual 2.0 G5 to quad core something (q6600?) hackintosh and the experience is identical. There's just more time invested to set it up.

 

[HAL9000]

Umm once you set it up, it's the same thing...

No it's not, there hassle involved, upgrading the software, driver issues with new hardware etc. etc. you buy a mac because you want it to just work, not because you want to spend ages fixing every issue that arises, like windows.

 

[halik]

No it's not, there hassle involved, upgrading the software, driver issues with new hardware etc. etc. you buy a mac because you want it to just work, not because you want to spend ages fixing every issue that arises, like windows.

Again once you have the drivers installed and it's set, the machine identical to a regular mac. I've had the current set up for 2 years no, doing software updates from the apple menu the entire time.

I've swapped out videocard twice and put in an SSD drive as well, no issue.

 

[HAL9000]

Again once you have the drivers installed and it's set, the machine identical to a regular mac. I've had the current set up for 2 years no, doing software updates from the apple menu the entire time.

I've swapped out videocard twice and put in an SSD drive as well, no issue.

Ok that's cool! It's not been my experience so I gave up on it, but if it works for you that's awesome. I didn't spend any more money on my Mac Pro than I would have the equiv PC. so it wasn't an issue for me... But I am unique in this respect.

 

[halik]

Ok that's cool! It's not been my experience so I gave up on it, but if it works for you that's awesome. I didn't spend any more money on my Mac Pro than I would have the equiv PC. so it wasn't an issue for me... But I am unique in this respect.

Yeah see that was my dilemma - PPC was going away and I wanted to switch out of the DP G5 to x86. The problem was the cheapest mac pro was about $2K and that's a lot of opportunity cost given that the hackintosh priced out at like 500 bucks for similar specs.

 

[HAL9000]

Yeah see that was my dilemma - PPC was going away and I wanted to switch out of the DP G5 to x86. The problem was the cheapest mac pro was about $2K and that's a lot of opportunity cost given that the hackintosh priced out at like 500 bucks for similar specs.

Yeah that's fair enough, I'm all for hackintoshes, just haven't used one that felt like a Mac yet. I got my MacPro second hand from work for £700 and replaced everything, from processors to video cards. Now it's my perfect machine, it runs games as well as I need it to in windows and it's the perfect mac win win.

 

[cheezy321]

No matter what your daily tasks are. You can find a PC that will do it for half the money.

Ok, i want a PC with an LED backlit screen.
13.3" or less.
Less than 1" thick total.
better than 4-5 hour battery life
chiclet style keyboard
Large trackpad (Doesnt even have to be multitouch)

Find me one for $500. GO!

 

[JSt0rm]

The problem was the cheapest mac pro was about $2K and that's a lot of opportunity cost given that the hackintosh priced out at like 500 bucks for similar specs.

orly? I think anand himself debunked this myth. A macpro is a professional product in a btx form factor with xeon cpu's. You will not build that for $500.

 

[bfdd]

lol @ neckarb trying to spin that shit. You said "Well realistically OSX is the only reason to buy a Mac isn't it? Unless you just like shiney things?" Well OSX is just another shiny thing in the sense that it is non-essential. Windows currently is essential hence it's not just another "shiny bauble". The only reason to buy an Apple is for the shiny bauble. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I totally support people buying and spending their money on what they want. But going around acting like you made a smart purchase is just retarded and quite frankly annoying.

 

[Crono]

Ok, i want a PC with an LED backlit screen.
13.3" or less.
Less than 1" thick total.
better than 4-5 hour battery life
chiclet style keyboard
Large trackpad (Doesnt even have to be multitouch)

Find me one for $500. GO!

He said one that meets daily tasks, not one that fits any spec requirement list.

He's right about that. The problem is when you need horsepower for HD video editing and the like a slower CPU won't cut it if you have time constraints.

Atom CPUs are perfect for web browsing and document editing, though. For basic tasks you really can get a cheap PC or netbook and be relatively happy.

I don't think there is anything "wow" about the Mac experience, just less things to worry about (also less options, too).

 

[HAL9000]

lol @ neckarb trying to spin that shit. You said "Well realistically OSX is the only reason to buy a Mac isn't it? Unless you just like shiney things?" Well OSX is just another shiny thing in the sense that it is non-essential. Windows currently is essential hence it's not just another "shiny bauble". The only reason to buy an Apple is for the shiny bauble. Not that there's anything wrong with that, I totally support people buying and spending their money on what they want. But going around acting like you made a smart purchase is just retarded and quite frankly annoying.

Errm... Why is one operating system essential in a computer purchase and one isnt?! Now who's being "quite frankly annoying" I don't buy Mac's because they're shiney, I buy them because I prefer them to windows machines...

He said one that meets daily tasks, not one that fits any spec requirement list.

He's right about that. The problem is when you need horsepower for HD video editing and the like a slower CPU won't cut it if you have time constraints.

Atom CPUs are perfect for web browsing and document editing, though. For basic tasks you really can get a cheap PC or netbook and be relatively happy.

I don't think there is anything "wow" about the Mac experience, just less things to worry about (also less options, too).

That's fair enough, it's not exactly the wow factor that interests me in a Mac, it's the fact that I prefer the operating system to windows.

 

[Acanthus]

Ok, i want a PC with an LED backlit screen.
13.3" or less.
Less than 1" thick total.
better than 4-5 hour battery life
chiclet style keyboard
Large trackpad (Doesnt even have to be multitouch)

Find me one for $500. GO!

Those are not tasks, that is aesthetics.

From your description a blank sheet of paper with a trackpad and a picture of a "chiclet style keyboard" is your ideal product.

I will happily sell you that for $500

 

[MrX8503]

1. There is no equivalent Mac.
2. People were going on and on about battery life.

Like i said, whatever your priorities are, there is a PC that does it for half.

....and what does this have to do with a Core 2 Duo costing more than an Intel Atom? It still doesn't validate the claim of a $700 markup.

I swear you guys would eat a cheesecake and say "That tasted like shit, the pizza I had tasted way better"

Compare laptops to laptops
Netbooks - Netbooks
Phones - Phones

Not that hard.

Yeah see that was my dilemma - PPC was going away and I wanted to switch out of the DP G5 to x86. The problem was the cheapest mac pro was about $2K and that's a lot of opportunity cost given that the hackintosh priced out at like 500 bucks for similar specs.

The Mac Pro is a workstation. Workstations aren't cheap. If you want a Mac Desktop Computer, Apple doesn't really have one unless you consider the iMac one.

 

[Acanthus]

....and what does this have to do with a Core 2 Duo costing more than an Intel Atom? It still doesn't validate the claim of a $700 markup.

I swear you guys would eat a cheesecake and say "That tasted like shit, the pizza I had tasted way better"

Compare laptops to laptops
Netbooks - Netbooks
Phones - Phones

Not that hard.



The Mac Pro is a workstation. Workstations aren't cheap. If you want a Mac Desktop Computer, Apple doesn't really have one unless you consider the iMac one.

I like how you cite their lowest markup laptop to rationalize a generalization about the whole line. Nice! Try to dodge the topic on semantics again.

 

[cheezy321]

Those are not tasks, that is aesthetics.

From your description a blank sheet of paper with a trackpad and a picture of a "chiclet style keyboard" is your ideal product.

I will happily sell you that for $500

A bike can get me from point A to point B just like a car can. It actually costs thousands less than a car too. Your argument is retarded.

I want to come home, take my laptop out of my room and use it for a full night on my couch comfortably. Will a netbook do that?

Hell no, the trackpads are terrible on it and I would have to use a mouse. The screen is not nearly as high quality and it will be harder on my eyes to read. Will a 17" HP envy do that? Probably, but it will last about 1/3 of the time the macbook will.

And its NOT just aesthetics. The chiclet keyboard makes the TASK of typing easier for me. The trackpad makes the TASK of surfing the internet much easier than a netbook. The design keeps the laptop cooler than most netbooks, where youtube (or hell, anything flash) will easily strain out the ATOM on a netbook and run hot as hell compared to the MBP. The task of actually using the laptop as a LAPTOP is gone. Shall I continue? Quit arguing semantics and realize that your argument is DEAD WRONG. There is no $300 laptop (netbook or otherwise) that will compare apples to apples to a $1K MBP.

Are you going to bring up again how the world would be fucked if windows dissipated overnight? That's a bulletproof argument! Maybe we should delve into how stupid that logic is...