Hanging flags upside down

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


EDIT 2: Regarding "The terrorists have won" comment. If people are upset over the election and think Obama will be weaker against terrorism, then the goal of terrorists destroying a nation is becoming evident. They have divided us.

so why were some of your moms neighbors in Western New York hanging their flags upside down? because they are staunch right wingers and are upset by the results of the presidential election and they are flying their flags upside down in protest?

wow boggles the mind.

too bad about them though, let them protest all they want.

I'm in Georgia and they are all pissed off that Obama won and today they all ran to vote for Republican Senator Saxby Chambliss who is in a runoff.

They hope Saxby is able to "block Obama's agenda".

The words of my family members here that went out and voted for Saxby today.

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004

Originally posted by: alien42
what does being a Republican have to do with how one hangs their flag?

I think it might have gone upside down the day after the election.

my point was that in the OP you stated it as though Republicans can't be anti-American which is ignorant.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: Stifko

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


EDIT 2: Regarding "The terrorists have won" comment. If people are upset over the election and think Obama will be weaker against terrorism, then the goal of terrorists destroying a nation is becoming evident. They have divided us.

so why were some of your moms neighbors in Western New York hanging their flags upside down? because they are staunch right wingers and are upset by the results of the presidential election and they are flying their flags upside down in protest?

wow boggles the mind.

too bad about them though, let them protest all they want.

I think that is what the case is

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

In my mind, this is just like flag burning, IOW, a form of protest.

I may disagree with it (and I do), but it is totally within their rights to protest this way. It's a free country, remember?

 

[LtPage1]

1. It's a statement of dissent.
2. There is no such thing as an "anti-American" comment. Freedom of speech means just that.
3. You don't have to earn the right to criticize your country.
4. Being "harder on terrorism" and being more likely to attack the Middle East is the best way to help the terrorists. The election of Barack Obama is the absolute worst thing that could have happened to Islamist recruitment.
5. Seriously. How is #4 not the biggest "Wow, duh" statement you've ever heard?

edit:

Originally posted by: Carmen813
It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given us
Freedom of the Press.
It's the soldier, not the poet, who has given us
Freedom of Speech.
It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the
Freedom to Demonstrate.
It's the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the
Right to a Fair Trial.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag and
whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who gives the protestor the right to burn the flag.

No one fucking gave me my rights. Freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and trial are not fucking privileges to be meted out whenever the men with guns in our society decide it would be okay.

I absolutely reject your idea that soldiers are a separate, privileged class apart from reporters, poets, campus organizers, and lawyers. I'd stand up and fight alongside career soldiers if I could be convinced that our basic freedoms were under attack-- but here, now, today-- it seems pretty clear that the preservation of these rights is under attack from our military establishment. I value these rights first, and our military as a necessary tool to get to and preserve these rights-- you seem to be valuing some notion of nation and military first, and our rights as some sort of byproduct of how great it is to be an American.

I apologize if it seems like I jumped all over you and exaggerated your words, but I think it's pretty clear how strongly I feel about this. I salute the flag and our soldiers because they stand for those rights, and not because I owe some sort of perverse and worshipful gratitude for deigning to grant me some niceties.

.../okay, deep breath. Whew.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: LtPage1
1. It's a statement of dissent.
2. There is no such thing as an "anti-American" comment. Freedom of speech means just that.
3. You don't have to earn the right to criticize your country.
4. Being "harder on terrorism" and being more likely to attack the Middle East is the best way to help the terrorists. The election of Barack Obama is the absolute worst thing that could have happened to Islamist recruitment.
5. Seriously. How is #4 not the biggest "Wow, duh" statement you've ever heard?

edit:

Originally posted by: Carmen813
It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given us
Freedom of the Press.
It's the soldier, not the poet, who has given us
Freedom of Speech.
It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the
Freedom to Demonstrate.
It's the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the
Right to a Fair Trial.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag and
whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who gives the protestor the right to burn the flag.

No one fucking gave me my rights. Freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and trial are not fucking privileges to be meted out whenever the men with guns in our society decide it would be okay.

I absolutely reject your idea that soldiers are a separate, privileged class apart from reporters, poets, campus organizers, and lawyers. I'd stand up and fight alongside career soldiers if I could be convinced that our basic freedoms were under attack-- but here, now, today-- it seems pretty clear that the preservation of these rights is under attack from our military establishment. I value these rights first, and our military as a necessary tool to get to and preserve these rights-- you seem to be valuing some notion of nation and military first, and our rights as some sort of byproduct of how great it is to be an American.

I apologize if it seems like I jumped all over you and exaggerated your words, but I think it's pretty clear how strongly I feel about this. I salute the flag and our soldiers because they stand for those rights, and not because I owe some sort of perverse and worshipful gratitude for deigning to grant me some niceties.

.../okay, deep breath. Whew.

God gave you your freedom and it's the soldier that protects them.

If you think Islamists will stop killing non-Muslims because we elected a "nice guy" you are one naive idiot.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: LtPage1
1. It's a statement of dissent.
2. There is no such thing as an "anti-American" comment. Freedom of speech means just that.
3. You don't have to earn the right to criticize your country.
4. Being "harder on terrorism" and being more likely to attack the Middle East is the best way to help the terrorists. The election of Barack Obama is the absolute worst thing that could have happened to Islamist recruitment.
5. Seriously. How is #4 not the biggest "Wow, duh" statement you've ever heard?

edit:

Originally posted by: Carmen813
It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given us
Freedom of the Press.
It's the soldier, not the poet, who has given us
Freedom of Speech.
It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the
Freedom to Demonstrate.
It's the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the
Right to a Fair Trial.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag and
whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who gives the protestor the right to burn the flag.

No one fucking gave me my rights. Freedoms of press, speech, assembly, and trial are not fucking privileges to be meted out whenever the men with guns in our society decide it would be okay.

I absolutely reject your idea that soldiers are a separate, privileged class apart from reporters, poets, campus organizers, and lawyers. I'd stand up and fight alongside career soldiers if I could be convinced that our basic freedoms were under attack-- but here, now, today-- it seems pretty clear that the preservation of these rights is under attack from our military establishment. I value these rights first, and our military as a necessary tool to get to and preserve these rights-- you seem to be valuing some notion of nation and military first, and our rights as some sort of byproduct of how great it is to be an American.

I apologize if it seems like I jumped all over you and exaggerated your words, but I think it's pretty clear how strongly I feel about this. I salute the flag and our soldiers because they stand for those rights, and not because I owe some sort of perverse and worshipful gratitude for deigning to grant me some niceties.

.../okay, deep breath. Whew.

God gave you your freedom and it's the soldier that protects them.

If you think Islamists will stop killing non-Muslims because we elected a "nice guy" you are one naive idiot.

Not a single soldier protected our freedom from the Republican administration for the last 8 years, and they aren't allowed to. The ones who tried to ended up with their careers destroyed. The military is used to further the interests of this country, whether it makes us less or more free, or makes other people less or more free. Ask anyone in the Pentagon or the executive branch. There's a reason "our nation's interests" is a buzzphrase.

There's also no such thing as a god. Nature gave us our freedoms by giving us life.

 

[Throckmorton]

You know what would be a sight to see? A soldier protecting a gay person's equal rights.