Hanging flags upside down

[Muse]

Originally posted by: SoundTheSurrender
I think it's a bit sad that someone gets offended by a upside down flag.

Horrible stuff is happening in the world. To get offended by an upside down flag you have to be nuts.

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: KGBMAN

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: manowar821
It's a piece of CHINESE Nylon.

I guess this means the nutjobs can't afford a cotton flag.

Cotton flags don't last nearly as long as Nylon flags and aren't "all-weather" so they have to be brought in if it rains...EVERY flag I've ever owned was Made in the USA, and nearly every flag I've ever owned was nylon...with sewn stars and stripes instead of the crappy printed polyester junk that is usually made in China...
(IMO, it should be illegal to sell any American flag that's NOT made in the USA!)

Owned by China

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: NoShangriLa

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: SilentRunning

Originally posted by: KGBMAN

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: manowar821
It's a piece of CHINESE Nylon.

I guess this means the nutjobs can't afford a cotton flag.

Cotton flags don't last nearly as long as Nylon flags and aren't "all-weather" so they have to be brought in if it rains...EVERY flag I've ever owned was Made in the USA, and nearly every flag I've ever owned was nylon...with sewn stars and stripes instead of the crappy printed polyester junk that is usually made in China...
(IMO, it should be illegal to sell any American flag that's NOT made in the USA!)

Owned by China

<sigh> I know...it sucks...<sigh>

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
A disclaimer: I'm naturalized citizen (wasn't born here)

I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat. After all, burning flag is just burning physical representation of a symbol, it's no different than making voodoo doll of your boss and sticking it with needles. Ok, you might want to check with a psychiatrist if you do that, but the point is you sticking voodoo doll with needles does no harm to the actual person. To me, the freedom to do as you please as long as your actions do no harm to others is far more important than acting up on superficial ideas of patriotism. The notion of being patriotic just because you oppose flag burning (or hanging it upside down) is one of the most ridiculous idea I have ever encountered and it usually comes from uneducated people who feel the need to belong. If anything, allowing someone to burn the flag or hang it upside down is more patriotic than opposing it.

The only reasonable objection to this I can see is that hanging flag upside down is a symbol for distress and is similar to calling for help when you don't actually need it.

I really wish you told the interviewer this when you were getting your citizenship. You are probably one of a handful of naturalized citizens that feel this way. You sound more like a ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy who didn't give you enough attention growing up.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
this weekend I went home to Western New York and I was actually offended by some of my moms neighbors hanging their flags upside down.

My mom said that they are both veterans and earned that right. My mom is another republican. So was my dad(passed on) but if he saw that, he would be pissed off (EDIT: maybe,maybe not after learning what the symbolism is (read below)).

In my mind, hanging a flag upside down is against protocol and anti-American. "The terrorists have won" went through my head more than once. So, what is your thought on this?

I'm off to research this matter.

EDIT: OK, it is the standard sign of distress. I guess it comes down to timing of when the people decided to do this.

They are no better than the anti-Americans who burn Bush in effigy and then suddenly turn into raging hardon patriots for their savior Obama.

 

[badkarma1399]

I think its pretty disrespectful, but it doesn't really bother me too much. Personally, to me it says a lot more about the person than the views their trying to express. IMO, They need to stop being so melodramatic... Boo Hoo, your candidate lost, its not some huge tragedy or the end of the world.

Well, it probably won't be the end of the world.

 

[magomago]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
A disclaimer: I'm naturalized citizen (wasn't born here)

I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat. After all, burning flag is just burning physical representation of a symbol, it's no different than making voodoo doll of your boss and sticking it with needles. Ok, you might want to check with a psychiatrist if you do that, but the point is you sticking voodoo doll with needles does no harm to the actual person. To me, the freedom to do as you please as long as your actions do no harm to others is far more important than acting up on superficial ideas of patriotism. The notion of being patriotic just because you oppose flag burning (or hanging it upside down) is one of the most ridiculous idea I have ever encountered and it usually comes from uneducated people who feel the need to belong. If anything, allowing someone to burn the flag or hang it upside down is more patriotic than opposing it.

The only reasonable objection to this I can see is that hanging flag upside down is a symbol for distress and is similar to calling for help when you don't actually need it.

I really wish you told the interviewer this when you were getting your citizenship. You are probably one of a handful of naturalized citizens that feel this way. You sound more like a ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy who didn't give you enough attention growing up.

You are fucking crazy. What he wrote was perfectly reasonable, and if I was the interviewer I would have smiled at the bold part. He didn't need to go into the part about uneducated people as I would be surprised if that was actually true.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
A disclaimer: I'm naturalized citizen (wasn't born here)

I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat. After all, burning flag is just burning physical representation of a symbol, it's no different than making voodoo doll of your boss and sticking it with needles. Ok, you might want to check with a psychiatrist if you do that, but the point is you sticking voodoo doll with needles does no harm to the actual person. To me, the freedom to do as you please as long as your actions do no harm to others is far more important than acting up on superficial ideas of patriotism. The notion of being patriotic just because you oppose flag burning (or hanging it upside down) is one of the most ridiculous idea I have ever encountered and it usually comes from uneducated people who feel the need to belong. If anything, allowing someone to burn the flag or hang it upside down is more patriotic than opposing it.

The only reasonable objection to this I can see is that hanging flag upside down is a symbol for distress and is similar to calling for help when you don't actually need it.

I really wish you told the interviewer this when you were getting your citizenship. You are probably one of a handful of naturalized citizens that feel this way. You sound more like a ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy who didn't give you enough attention growing up.

You are fucking crazy. What he wrote was perfectly reasonable, and if I was the interviewer I would have smiled at the bold part. He didn't need to go into the part about uneducated people as I would be surprised if that was actually true.

Have you been through the interview process? One hint of anti-Americanism and he will send your ass packing. Hell, they fucking grilled me about a speeding ticket I got. If you outright say "I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat" 99% you will get your ass rejected even if you ended the thought with a coherent reasoning about some bullshit version of his brand of free speech.

Yes, the symbol is just an object, but what you do to it and how you treat it is a reflection on your ideology and how you respect the country that embraced you.

 

[Infohawk]

People need to stop worshipping ribbons, representations of eagle heads, and flags. They're symbols. Unless you're at an international event (diplomatic or sporting) or in war time (not low intensity conflicts like Iraq) then they are essentially meaningless.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: JS80

They are no better than the anti-Americans who burn Bush in effigy.

And where does this happen? I love it when someone sees something that maybe happened once then generalize a whole group of people about it. Like the anarchists who burned a effigy of the US soldier in Portland a few years ago suddenly means all Lefties/Dems condone such things.
Lay off the hate radio.

 

[KIRBYEE]

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[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
this weekend I went home to Western New York and I was actually offended by some of my moms neighbors hanging their flags upside down.

My mom said that they are both veterans and earned that right. My mom is another republican. So was my dad(passed on) but if he saw that, he would be pissed off (EDIT: maybe,maybe not after learning what the symbolism is (read below)).

In my mind, hanging a flag upside down is against protocol and anti-American. "The terrorists have won" went through my head more than once. So, what is your thought on this?

I'm off to research this matter.

EDIT: OK, it is the standard sign of distress. I guess it comes down to timing of when the people decided to do this.

They are no better than the anti-Americans who burn Bush in effigy and then suddenly turn into raging hardon patriots for their savior Obama.

what about that is anti-american?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004
this weekend I went home to Western New York and I was actually offended by some of my moms neighbors hanging their flags upside down.

My mom said that they are both veterans and earned that right. My mom is another republican. So was my dad(passed on) but if he saw that, he would be pissed off (EDIT: maybe,maybe not after learning what the symbolism is (read below)).

In my mind, hanging a flag upside down is against protocol and anti-American. "The terrorists have won" went through my head more than once. So, what is your thought on this?

I'm off to research this matter.

EDIT: OK, it is the standard sign of distress. I guess it comes down to timing of when the people decided to do this.

They are no better than the anti-Americans who burn Bush in effigy and then suddenly turn into raging hardon patriots for their savior Obama.

Burning a Bush effigy isn't unpatriotic at all. Remember, he and his underlings have repeatedly violated the Constitution and international law.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
A disclaimer: I'm naturalized citizen (wasn't born here)

I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat. After all, burning flag is just burning physical representation of a symbol, it's no different than making voodoo doll of your boss and sticking it with needles. Ok, you might want to check with a psychiatrist if you do that, but the point is you sticking voodoo doll with needles does no harm to the actual person. To me, the freedom to do as you please as long as your actions do no harm to others is far more important than acting up on superficial ideas of patriotism. The notion of being patriotic just because you oppose flag burning (or hanging it upside down) is one of the most ridiculous idea I have ever encountered and it usually comes from uneducated people who feel the need to belong. If anything, allowing someone to burn the flag or hang it upside down is more patriotic than opposing it.

The only reasonable objection to this I can see is that hanging flag upside down is a symbol for distress and is similar to calling for help when you don't actually need it.

I really wish you told the interviewer this when you were getting your citizenship. You are probably one of a handful of naturalized citizens that feel this way. You sound more like a ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy who didn't give you enough attention growing up.

Sadly, you're probably right on the first part there. As far as the second part, like I said previously, freedom to express your displeasure with the current government and freedom to do whatever you want in the pursuit of happiness regardless of you color, nationality and your sexual preferences, something a lot of people want to deny still, should be at the core of this nation (I say "should" because it not always is) and it is far more important than someone's ideas about what this country should be. If someone wants to hang the flag upside down it tells me they are a drama queen, I'd probably chuckle if I saw one driving, however, if they want to do it, it's their property, it's their flag, they can do it if they want to, it does not affect me in any way. So, how does respecting individual rights makes me "ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy"?

 

[wwswimming]

usually when people hang the flag upside down, there are signs that
tell you what's on their mind. or, like someone said, it's right after
a historical event, like the 2004 election, so it's not hard to guess
what the reason is.

 

[Carmen813]

It's the soldier, not the reporter who has given us
Freedom of the Press.
It's the soldier, not the poet, who has given us
Freedom of Speech.
It's the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given us the
Freedom to Demonstrate.
It's the soldier, not the lawyer, who has given us the
Right to a Fair Trial.
It's the soldier who salutes the flag, serves under the flag and
whose coffin is draped by the flag,
Who gives the protestor the right to burn the flag.


Yah, I'm sure its been read a 1000 times, but it sums up my feelings on it pretty well. If they want to do something with the flag as a sign of protest, I don't really care.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Originally posted by: alien42
what does being a Republican have to do with how one hangs their flag?

I think it might have gone upside down the day after the election.

 

[Vic]

Is it okay to display the flag upside down to protest?

No. The Flag Code states, "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property." It is an unreasonable stretch to argue that political purposes constitute "dire distress." We recommend that people who wish to express their political views find a way to do so that is respectful of the flag. Remember that to some the flag represents the government of the US and its policies; but it also represents the promise as yet unfulfilled of the Declaration, it represents our freedom of speech, our freedom to practice or not practice religion as we choose, it represents American values, it represents one nation in its glory, it represents hope for a better future, and importantly it represents the sacrifices made in all generations to protect our freedoms.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: Vic

Is it okay to display the flag upside down to protest?

No. The Flag Code states, "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property." It is an unreasonable stretch to argue that political purposes constitute "dire distress." We recommend that people who wish to express their political views find a way to do so that is respectful of the flag. Remember that to some the flag represents the government of the US and its policies; but it also represents the promise as yet unfulfilled of the Declaration, it represents our freedom of speech, our freedom to practice or not practice religion as we choose, it represents American values, it represents one nation in its glory, it represents hope for a better future, and importantly it represents the sacrifices made in all generations to protect our freedoms.

The flag code is unenforceable as it is an unConstitutional limitation on free speech as ruled by the Supreme Court. And, let's be fair, the people who turn to the flag code to say you shouldn't burn a flag or hang it upside down are the same people who wear flags on their clothing even though the flag code specifically condemns using the flag "wearing apparel, bedding or drapery... or on a costume or athletic uniform." If you're going to follow one part of the flag code, shouldn't you follow the whole thing?

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
A disclaimer: I'm naturalized citizen (wasn't born here)

I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat. After all, burning flag is just burning physical representation of a symbol, it's no different than making voodoo doll of your boss and sticking it with needles. Ok, you might want to check with a psychiatrist if you do that, but the point is you sticking voodoo doll with needles does no harm to the actual person. To me, the freedom to do as you please as long as your actions do no harm to others is far more important than acting up on superficial ideas of patriotism. The notion of being patriotic just because you oppose flag burning (or hanging it upside down) is one of the most ridiculous idea I have ever encountered and it usually comes from uneducated people who feel the need to belong. If anything, allowing someone to burn the flag or hang it upside down is more patriotic than opposing it.

The only reasonable objection to this I can see is that hanging flag upside down is a symbol for distress and is similar to calling for help when you don't actually need it.

I really wish you told the interviewer this when you were getting your citizenship. You are probably one of a handful of naturalized citizens that feel this way. You sound more like a ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy who didn't give you enough attention growing up.

You are fucking crazy. What he wrote was perfectly reasonable, and if I was the interviewer I would have smiled at the bold part. He didn't need to go into the part about uneducated people as I would be surprised if that was actually true.

Have you been through the interview process? One hint of anti-Americanism and he will send your ass packing. Hell, they fucking grilled me about a speeding ticket I got. If you outright say "I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat" 99% you will get your ass rejected even if you ended the thought with a coherent reasoning about some bullshit version of his brand of free speech.

Yes, the symbol is just an object, but what you do to it and how you treat it is a reflection on your ideology and how you respect the country that embraced you.

I would think upholding the idea of free speech would be better looked upon then mindless obedience.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: Vic

Is it okay to display the flag upside down to protest?

No. The Flag Code states, "The flag should never be displayed with the union down, except as a signal of dire distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property." It is an unreasonable stretch to argue that political purposes constitute "dire distress." We recommend that people who wish to express their political views find a way to do so that is respectful of the flag. Remember that to some the flag represents the government of the US and its policies; but it also represents the promise as yet unfulfilled of the Declaration, it represents our freedom of speech, our freedom to practice or not practice religion as we choose, it represents American values, it represents one nation in its glory, it represents hope for a better future, and importantly it represents the sacrifices made in all generations to protect our freedoms.

The flag code is unenforceable as it is an unConstitutional limitation on free speech as ruled by the Supreme Court. And, let's be fair, the people who turn to the flag code to say you shouldn't burn a flag or hang it upside down are the same people who wear flags on their clothing even though the flag code specifically condemns using the flag "wearing apparel, bedding or drapery... or on a costume or athletic uniform." If you're going to follow one part of the flag code, shouldn't you follow the whole thing?

Touche'

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: magomago

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
A disclaimer: I'm naturalized citizen (wasn't born here)

I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat. After all, burning flag is just burning physical representation of a symbol, it's no different than making voodoo doll of your boss and sticking it with needles. Ok, you might want to check with a psychiatrist if you do that, but the point is you sticking voodoo doll with needles does no harm to the actual person. To me, the freedom to do as you please as long as your actions do no harm to others is far more important than acting up on superficial ideas of patriotism. The notion of being patriotic just because you oppose flag burning (or hanging it upside down) is one of the most ridiculous idea I have ever encountered and it usually comes from uneducated people who feel the need to belong. If anything, allowing someone to burn the flag or hang it upside down is more patriotic than opposing it.

The only reasonable objection to this I can see is that hanging flag upside down is a symbol for distress and is similar to calling for help when you don't actually need it.

I really wish you told the interviewer this when you were getting your citizenship. You are probably one of a handful of naturalized citizens that feel this way. You sound more like a ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy who didn't give you enough attention growing up.

You are fucking crazy. What he wrote was perfectly reasonable, and if I was the interviewer I would have smiled at the bold part. He didn't need to go into the part about uneducated people as I would be surprised if that was actually true.

Have you been through the interview process? One hint of anti-Americanism and he will send your ass packing. Hell, they fucking grilled me about a speeding ticket I got. If you outright say "I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat" 99% you will get your ass rejected even if you ended the thought with a coherent reasoning about some bullshit version of his brand of free speech.

Yes, the symbol is just an object, but what you do to it and how you treat it is a reflection on your ideology and how you respect the country that embraced you.

I would think upholding the idea of free speech would be better looked upon then mindless obedience.

Don't pay any attention to him - he's a partisan hack on every - single - topic.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Newbian

Originally posted by: manowar821
It's a piece of Nylon.

This.

Probably made in China to boot.

I'm loyal to God and Country. My country is not a flag. My country is 300 million people and a lot of blood and history, both good and bad.

Fly your scraps of cloth any way you like, up, down, sideways, or on fire. Doesn't mean a thing.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed
A disclaimer: I'm naturalized citizen (wasn't born here)

I have no qualms about hanging the flag upside down, burning it, or even using it as a doormat. After all, burning flag is just burning physical representation of a symbol, it's no different than making voodoo doll of your boss and sticking it with needles. Ok, you might want to check with a psychiatrist if you do that, but the point is you sticking voodoo doll with needles does no harm to the actual person. To me, the freedom to do as you please as long as your actions do no harm to others is far more important than acting up on superficial ideas of patriotism. The notion of being patriotic just because you oppose flag burning (or hanging it upside down) is one of the most ridiculous idea I have ever encountered and it usually comes from uneducated people who feel the need to belong. If anything, allowing someone to burn the flag or hang it upside down is more patriotic than opposing it.

The only reasonable objection to this I can see is that hanging flag upside down is a symbol for distress and is similar to calling for help when you don't actually need it.

I really wish you told the interviewer this when you were getting your citizenship. You are probably one of a handful of naturalized citizens that feel this way. You sound more like a ungrateful spoiled son of an elitist hippy who didn't give you enough attention growing up.

fleshconsumed included a disclaimer up top that he was naturalized so you knew his perspective. Isn't it only fair that you include one informing him that you were dropped on your head as a baby so he is aware of yours?

 

[Stifko]

Originally posted by: IHateMyJob2004


EDIT 2: Regarding "The terrorists have won" comment. If people are upset over the election and think Obama will be weaker against terrorism, then the goal of terrorists destroying a nation is becoming evident. They have divided us.

so why were some of your moms neighbors in Western New York hanging their flags upside down? because they are staunch right wingers and are upset by the results of the presidential election and they are flying their flags upside down in protest?

wow boggles the mind.

too bad about them though, let them protest all they want.