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Hamas Targeted Israeli Nuclear Facility With Rockets

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Even worse, the more violent, fundamentalist, extremist minority can force an indifferent majority to go along with the hatred and violence by threatening the lives of the people where they live (such as the Taliban in Afghanistan, or Hamas is Israel).

You can't force most people to hate someone, unless that part of them already exists.
Like how you say ISIS is forcing you to hate Muslims.
The majority of Iraqis are fighting back against ISIS


BTW what the hell is "hate speech" ... in usa you have first amendment which is right to free speech. I'll exercise that right that doesnt exist in places like saudi arabia where they kill you for blasphemy...If you don't exercise a right, you tend to lose it... Shaming. Like, 'Oh, my gosh, you said something bad about xyz? You're a monster!'" Has no effect on me and shouldn't on anyone else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#United_States

False facts
Flawed argumentation
Divisive language
Dehumanizing metaphors
 
20k at the most...I will not elaborate...I just know..lolol

Your certainty once again exceeds your accuracy. The true cost is > 50k.
You are merely factoring-in the Congressional subsidy. Americans pay for that bit from their taxes.
I will elaborate. I have the real figures. Contact me anytime you need data. Lol.
The iron dome makes Zionists feel really safe in Israel. Unfortunately they are rather nervous everywhere else.
And there is a lot of 'else'.
 
Re hate speech.

Is that really so different from how Americans would speak of Japanese or Germans during WW2? September 11th and the following years of the Bush Presidency really hammered into our psyche that America is at war. That our enemies are Islamic terrorists the world over.

Enter the Israel and Palestinian conflict. More of "our enemy" rearing its ugly head. As Germans elected a genocidal Nazi regime, Palestinians elected Hamas. They elected a militant leadership, which is likely to bring forth violence. How is it so far removed to say they brought this violence upon themselves? Seems entirely accurate whether it's German soldiers 70 years ago or Palestinian terrorists today.

They are going to pay a price for participating in a violent conflict that they escalated.

Now remember the "War on Terror" and extrapolate that notion out to the greater Muslim world. Nuclear proliferation continues to this day. Pakistan already has them. Is it not a logical conclusion that, should martyrs get ahold of WMDs, that this "war" would escalate further? Saying you think this ends in annihilation is entirely plausible.

Someone speaking on this subject who does not carefully chose his words is going to be open to attack. Intent can be masked by technicalities and interpretation. What you mean to say is often lost in translation when others read without full context. By the omission of a single word you can say can you wish to lay low all militant Germans from WW2... or all Germans. All Muslim extremists... or all Muslims.

Intent is everything, and context necessary to determine, yet our form of communication can be very sloppy and on such hot button topics you'll find people sniping others over the smallest of details. Over the years I have fallen into many traps with poorly chosen words which belie my intent, and I fear others make similar mistakes.
 
What if Israel implemented the following policy:

For every 100 rockets fired, we will righteously annex 1 square mile of Gaza. If it becomes completely annexed, all Palestinians will be relocated to the West Bank or to other Arab nations. If you don't like it, don't fire rockets.
 
Your certainty once again exceeds your accuracy. The true cost is > 50k.
You are merely factoring-in the Congressional subsidy. Americans pay for that bit from their taxes.
I will elaborate. I have the real figures. Contact me anytime you need data. Lol.
The iron dome makes Zionists feel really safe in Israel. Unfortunately they are rather nervous everywhere else.
And there is a lot of 'else'.

hey shut your mouth, we don't have the intelligence to know. he's right, just accept it.
 
hey shut your mouth, we don't have the intelligence to know. he's right, just accept it.
Is that what counts as debate amongst the cerebrally challenged?
Show us the evidence.
I have the real figures, from real publications.
Yoda's guess probably comes from a former contact of a guy who supplies his diapers who once worked as a burger-flipper in the Philippines, who bumped into an NSA employee in Langley in 2007.
If I'm wrong, what's your source for the low figure cited by Yoda?
Or are you just being his pal, pal?
Tell me, how much of your hard earned cash does the US pass to Israel each year?
Might give you a shock if you knew...
 
What if Israel implemented the following policy:

For every 100 rockets fired, we will righteously annex 1 square mile of Gaza. If it becomes completely annexed, all Palestinians will be relocated to the West Bank or to other Arab nations. If you don't like it, don't fire rockets.

People will then complain that it is punishment against the civilians. Collective punishment is disallowed by the Geneva Convention.

It is only to apply to the Israel.

Israel has an idea where the rockets are being launched from
Rather than annex; roll in with the military, take over a square kilometer around the launch site temporarily to check for explosive caches. Remove the civilians for their safety. Explosives within each building need to be detonated for protection of the civilians.
 
Is that what counts as debate amongst the cerebrally challenged?
Show us the evidence.
I have the real figures, from real publications.
Yoda's guess probably comes from a former contact of a guy who supplies his diapers who once worked as a burger-flipper in the Philippines, who bumped into an NSA employee in Langley in 2007.
If I'm wrong, what's your source for the low figure cited by Yoda?
Or are you just being his pal, pal?
Tell me, how much of your hard earned cash does the US pass to Israel each year?
Might give you a shock if you knew...

Check your sarcasm meter 😉

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=36521852&postcount=83
 
Re hate speech.

Is that really so different from how Americans would speak of Japanese or Germans during WW2? September 11th and the following years of the Bush Presidency really hammered into our psyche that America is at war. That our enemies are Islamic terrorists the world over.

Enter the Israel and Palestinian conflict. More of "our enemy" rearing its ugly head. As Germans elected a genocidal Nazi regime, Palestinians elected Hamas. They elected a militant leadership, which is likely to bring forth violence. How is it so far removed to say they brought this violence upon themselves? Seems entirely accurate whether it's German soldiers 70 years ago or Palestinian terrorists today.

They are going to pay a price for participating in a violent conflict that they escalated.

Now remember the "War on Terror" and extrapolate that notion out to the greater Muslim world. Nuclear proliferation continues to this day. Pakistan already has them. Is it not a logical conclusion that, should martyrs get ahold of WMDs, that this "war" would escalate further? Saying you think this ends in annihilation is entirely plausible.

Someone speaking on this subject who does not carefully chose his words is going to be open to attack. Intent can be masked by technicalities and interpretation. What you mean to say is often lost in translation when others read without full context. By the omission of a single word you can say can you wish to lay low all militant Germans from WW2... or all Germans. All Muslim extremists... or all Muslims.

Intent is everything, and context necessary to determine, yet our form of communication can be very sloppy and on such hot button topics you'll find people sniping others over the smallest of details. Over the years I have fallen into many traps with poorly chosen words which belie my intent, and I fear others make similar mistakes.

Didn't Bush say Islam is the religion of peace? That Islam had nothing to do with the War on Terror?
We didn't go hunting down all blonde blued eye'd devils during WW2.
I think what we did to Japanese people would be closer
 
Of course, showering rockets onto the infidels or kidnapping and murdering their children is just peachy.

You mean this kind of ultra racist ideology??..
Ayelet Shaked represents the far-right Jewish Home party in the Knesset. This means she is well to the right of Benyamin Netanyahu, just in case you thought such a thing was not possible.

On Monday she quoted this on her Facebook page: “Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there."

So keep on spreading your propaganda....but just dont ask people to be gullible.
 
You mean this kind of ultra racist ideology??..


So keep on spreading your propaganda....but just dont ask people to be gullible.
At least she is being honest about the reasons for the Israeli brutality. Not that most people around the world of any kind of awareness already don't know
 
You mean this kind of ultra racist ideology??..


So keep on spreading your propaganda....but just dont ask people to be gullible.

To put things into perspective, she is just one of 120 politicians in the Knesset, a group which also allows for people such as Haneen Zoabi, with extreme anti-Israeli views.
Something called pluralism. I think there's also a bit of some other ingredient in there...something the US wrote in its first amendment.
 
Didn't Bush say Islam is the religion of peace? That Islam had nothing to do with the War on Terror?
We didn't go hunting down all blonde blued eye'd devils during WW2.
I think what we did to Japanese people would be closer

I compared WW2 militants to Islamic militants. Soldiers Earl, not civilians.

When you whitewash such distinctions, hate speech is manufactured out of nothing. It wasn't on my mind, but clearly on yours via "hunting down all blonde blue eye'd devils". So why did you do it, why did you compare any people of a certain ethnicity to militants actively committing violence? I mean, besides to prove my point on taking things out of context.
 
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At least she is being honest about the reasons for the Israeli brutality. Not that most people around the world of any kind of awareness already don't know


Indeed...

Something called pluralism. I think there's also a bit of some other ingredient in there...something the US wrote in its first amendment.

Only an extremist would say that asking for peace and advocating for murders of children are both freedom of expression and some kind of pluralism..
 
And quite a few arab-israelis cheered for the kidnapping and murder of the 3 kids.
Such is our complicated life together.

It is very easy to hate "them" when you're in a war. When Hamas will put down its weapons and let the people live, you will see how quickly we can rebuild normal life as well as lower the amount of hate each group has for another.

Sadly, Gaza's fate is not in the hands of the common folk living there.
 
Check your sarcasm meter 😉
Duly checked. Thanks.

The various exchanges about iron dome costs were treating the accounting as if each interceptor missile was the primary cost. Much like saying the only cost at a pheasant shoot is the price of the cartridges.

Each battery costs $50m according to wiki. In addition to the missiles and launcher tubes there is an air-conditioned hut (Battle Management Control) and a sophisticated scanner array. There are several staff and technicians for calibration. They will need paying.
They are shooting down Grads which are launched from tubes on the back of a truck or in a field. Much cheaper kit.
Dome does a good job but given that Israel has excellent air-raid discipline it might be cheaper to let the grads explode and repair the damage. Which is clearly a policy being tried in certain low-density zones. Grad rain is very expensive.

The financial aspect is straight out of 'Catch 22'. America pays a good part of the cost of Iron Dome but it also sends funds to Gaza for food and rebuilding costs after the IDF punishment bombings. Strange.
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What if Israel implemented the following policy:

For every 100 rockets fired, we will righteously annex 1 square mile of Gaza. If it becomes completely annexed, all Palestinians will be relocated to the West Bank or to other Arab nations. If you don't like it, don't fire rockets.

Me Likey
 
Each battery costs $50m according to wiki. In addition to the missiles and launcher tubes there is an air-conditioned hut (Battle Management Control) and a sophisticated scanner array. There are several staff and technicians for calibration. They will need paying.
They are shooting down Grads which are launched from tubes on the back of a truck or in a field. Much cheaper kit.
Dome does a good job but given that Israel has excellent air-raid discipline it might be cheaper to let the grads explode and repair the damage. Which is clearly a policy being tried in certain low-density zones. Grad rain is very expensive.

The financial aspect is straight out of 'Catch 22'. America pays a good part of the cost of Iron Dome but it also sends funds to Gaza for food and rebuilding costs after the IDF punishment bombings. Strange.

War is not an Excel spreadsheet, you would NEVER tell your citizens to bend over and take it because they're not valuable enough, unless you don't really care about them.

Anyway, a house costs more than 2 Iron Dome missiles to fix (housing costs are through the roof here).

(Your last sentence reminds me of Douglas Adams' Starship Titanic, actually written by Terry Jones - its makers attacked it in order to capture and board the ship, while repairing it at the same time)
 
And quite a few arab-israelis cheered for the kidnapping and murder of the 3 kids.

Quite a few palestinians..?.

Were they official representants, because a Knesset member is not exactly
a common people israeli.

It is very easy to hate "them" when you're in a war. When Hamas will put down its weapons and let the people live, you will see how quickly we can rebuild normal life as well as lower the amount of hate each group has for another.

Sadly, Gaza's fate is not in the hands of the common folk living there.

Give them back their rights that you have looted and usurped, all the rest is futile talks.

If all the UNO resolutions that were voted have no legal value for you then the resolution that created israel is not valid either.

Besides, were the israelis terrorists that burned the palestinian alive got tehir house destroyed by the israeli army..??.
 
To put things into perspective, she is just one of 120 politicians in the Knesset, a group which also allows for people such as Haneen Zoabi, with extreme anti-Israeli views.
Something called pluralism. I think there's also a bit of some other ingredient in there...something the US wrote in its first amendment.

No Sir, this has nothing to do with freedom of speech or first amendment. It is what is called incitement to terrorism, a criminal offense in almost all countries, UK and USA included. Quite a few people have been prosecuted and jailed for it. But of course in her case, she belongs to a different group, the moneyed and politically powerful one.
 
Bombing home of the disabled. Is there a limit to how low these people can get. How immense is their hatred of Palestinians..

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images...05172094548/A-boy-carries-a-wheelchai-011.jpg

"Atef Abed, a supervisor with the private charity that runs the home, recognised Suha Abu Saada, 47, as her body was dug out of the rubble, one of her legs missing. As small as a child, she had been thrown out of the room where she was sleeping by the blast and buried beneath a concrete wall.

"That's Suha," Abed said as the body was carried past on a mattress covered in a blanket. "Ola Wishaa was 30. She was killed as well."

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/12/disabled-palestinians-unable-escape-israeli-air-strike
 
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