Hamas Targeted Israeli Nuclear Facility With Rockets

[Zebo]

Considering the things going on with ISIS and Iran, Iraq, and Syria etc atm and the US is not really seeming to ask Israel to back off like it has in the past, the gloves have come off over there ATM.

I do not think they will be using restraint in the near future.

Really? Only targeting hamas homes and weapon depots they know about? Thats like whack a mole. Big time restraints.

No restraint could take worsting forms such as.
-cutting off power and food.
-Randomly firing their own missiles into Palestinian towns.
-pushing everyone not Israeli into Sinai and Jordan.
-genocide.

 

[Orignal Earl]

What's wrong? Can't comprehend the article?

Nobody has concluded that Iran is supplying Hamas in your article.
In this one they say they come from Syria

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/h...igned-syria-made-m-302-rockets-israel-n152461

Like I said. Doesn't matter. People will choose to believe what they want.

Ok, I guess that's your opinion
I think people like facts, everyone I know does

 

[squarecut1]

The disregard for human lives whose skin color is darker than yours or who profess a different faith is just appalling. We are worse than animals.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The disregard for human lives whose skin color is darker than yours or who profess a different faith is just appalling. We are worse than animals.

I might agree we are worse then animals, because when an animals belly is full they are pretty happy, and get along.

I think most people by far are good too..but a large number is never satisfied with what they got

 

[werepossum]

Can you show me that Palestinians elected the current Hamas government based on a platform of genocide?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas_Charter

lol If you wish to pretend either that the Palestinians are shocked and appalled at their government or that their government is simply a collection of innocent clueless saints on parade, it's a free world, but please don't expect others to debate you on it.

The disregard for human lives whose skin color is darker than yours or who profess a different faith is just appalling. We are worse than animals.

Of course, showering rockets onto the infidels or kidnapping and murdering their children is just peachy.

 

[Orignal Earl]

lol If you wish to pretend either that the Palestinians are shocked and appalled at their government or that their government is simply a collection of innocent clueless saints on parade, it's a free world, but please don't expect others to debate you on it.

So you got nothing eh, you even have to make up crazy exaggerations like "a collection of innocent clueless saints" to confirm your beliefs

Palestinian Americans for some reason are not the animals you describe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_American

In the United States approximately 46% of Palestinians have at least a college degree, compared to 18% of the American population

 

[MongGrel]

Really? Only targeting hamas homes and weapon depots they know about? Thats like whack a mole. Big time restraints.

No restraint could take worsting forms such as.
-cutting off power and food.
-Randomly firing their own missiles into Palestinian towns.
-pushing everyone not Israeli into Sinai and Jordan.
-genocide.

I predict it's just warming up atm as far as things if it keeps going down this road atm.

They have all ready publicly stated the gloves are coming off so you might see some things in the near future.

Perception of what you're doing is also part of it I'm sure, considering the past.

The whole Genocide thing in general, but *shrug* is what the other guys have on their minds also I guess.

 

[Orignal Earl]

The whole Genocide thing in general, but *shrug* is what the other guys have on their minds also I guess.

From my links above

Article 31 Describes Hamas as "a humanistic movement", which "takes care of human rights and is guided by Islamic tolerance". "Under the wing of Islam", it is possible for Islam, Christianity and Judaism "to coexist in peace and quiet with each other".

I'm going to guess the genocide thing come from this

The preamble states: ″Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it″

Which means they thought Israel should be an Islamic state instead of a Jewish/Zionist one.

That all changed in 2010

In 2010 Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stated that the Charter is "a piece of history and no longer relevant, but cannot be changed for internal reasons."

I guess because they want a two state solution now

 

[Harabec]

I was surprised this hasn't come up earlier but did not want to say anything about it myself.

The rocket attacks have been going on for over a week, with short and medium range rockets targeting various cities...including Jerusalem (I work at a college there and we had 2 rockets blown out of the sky above us, with 2 more landing in open fields a few seconds after the alarms went off).

The Iron Dome is absolutely incredible and a real game changer. Consider any MEME with something like "NOPE NOPE NOPE" and that's the effect it has on Hamas. Without it we'd have countless civ casualties by now.
BTW, I don't know which "expert" talked about the "5% hit rate" - it has worked with incredible efficency until now, and ONLY targets rockets calculated to hit civilian population centers - if it is calculated to hit a random open field they just let it land.

 

[Zebo]

Yeah amazing weapons system. Must be infuriating jihadis. Spend all thier money on weapons to kill jews instead of feed and improve their people and cant even do that. Hope they lose legitimacy.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I was surprised this hasn't come up earlier but did not want to say anything about it myself.

The rocket attacks have been going on for over a week, with short and medium range rockets targeting various cities...including Jerusalem (I work at a college there and we had 2 rockets blown out of the sky above us, with 2 more landing in open fields a few seconds after the alarms went off).

The Iron Dome is absolutely incredible and a real game changer. Consider any MEME with something like "NOPE NOPE NOPE" and that's the effect it has on Hamas. Without it we'd have countless civ casualties by now.
BTW, I don't know which "expert" talked about the "5% hit rate" - it has worked with incredible efficency until now, and ONLY targets rockets calculated to hit civilian population centers - if it is calculated to hit a random open field they just let it land.

I want to say "I can't imagine", but I can begin to imagine what it's like there when this shit goes on.
My thoughts and prayers go out to you and yours

 

[Zebo]

The disregard for human lives whose skin color is darker than yours or who profess a different faith is just appalling. We are worse than animals.

I used to feel bad for Palestinians, after all who doesnt favor the underdog - until I researched this issue. From how jews were treated in ME from time of Mohammed on. To what's written about jews in Muslims "holy" book. To what kids are taught in mosques, schools and arab TV to this day. Not so much anymore. They bring it on themselves.

 

[MongGrel]

I was surprised this hasn't come up earlier but did not want to say anything about it myself.

The rocket attacks have been going on for over a week, with short and medium range rockets targeting various cities...including Jerusalem (I work at a college there and we had 2 rockets blown out of the sky above us, with 2 more landing in open fields a few seconds after the alarms went off).

The Iron Dome is absolutely incredible and a real game changer. Consider any MEME with something like "NOPE NOPE NOPE" and that's the effect it has on Hamas. Without it we'd have countless civ casualties by now.
BTW, I don't know which "expert" talked about the "5% hit rate" - it has worked with incredible efficency until now, and ONLY targets rockets calculated to hit civilian population centers - if it is calculated to hit a random open field they just let it land.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

I think 5% was the old Patriot type system many years back.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I used to feel bad for palestiniancs until I researched this issue. From how jews were treated in ME from time of Mohammed on. To what written about jews in Muslims "holy" book. To what kids are taught in mosques, schools and arab TV to this day. Not so much anymore. They bring it on themselves.

No matter how many times the truth is told, some people will just continue to push their ideologies.
You don't give a damn about Israeli people, and just use them as an excuse to do your Anti-Muslim Anders Behring Breivik agendas.

50 million American's praying every night for the destruction of Israel? No problem for you

From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

No problem for you

http://www.globalissues.org/article/430/from-us-the-abcs-of-jihad

 

[rudder]

Hamas is Sunni
Hezbollah is Shai

Is there any sort of fact that Iran is supporting Hamas?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/21/iran-supplied-hamas-missile-technology

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/26/iran-finding-ways-to-supply-more-weapons-to-hamas/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/09/israel-hamas-gaza/12413027/

No, I just pulled that out of my ass.

 

[rudder]

NPR had an interview with a weapons expert yesterday. He estimated that Iron Dome has a ~5% hit rate against Hamas' rockets.

Well that expert is wrong. Granted the Iron Dome system does not try to intercept every rocket. It determines inbound trajectory and if the rocket is headed for a populated area the system will attempt to intercept. I think it is a little more than 25% are targeted. It would be too expensive to go after a hamas rocket that will land in a field. Of the inbound targets selected, I have read the rate is a hell of a lot higher than 5%.

 

[Zebo]

No matter how many times the truth is told, some people will just continue to push their ideologies.
You don't give a damn about Israeli people, and just use them as an excuse to do your Anti-Muslim Anders Behring Breivik agendas.

From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad


http://www.globalissues.org/article/430/from-us-the-abcs-of-jihad

I care about everyone who wishes to live in peace and prosperity and not impose on others. I'm a liberal libertarian after all. Any ideology that preaches conformity under threat whether earthy or non earthly I'm against hence my fervent atheism. (fundemenatalist) Islam happens to be more threatening to people within it's domain is all so yeah we could do with less.

For shame USG teaching that crap. I rail on them too see that thread about China where I'm all over our military.

 

[IronWing]

Well that expert is wrong. Granted the Iron Dome system does not try to intercept every rocket. It determines inbound trajectory and if the rocket is headed for a populated area the system will attempt to intercept. I think it is a little more than 25% are targeted. It would be too expensive to go after a hamas rocket that will land in a field. Of the inbound targets selected, I have read the rate is a hell of a lot higher than 5%.

Here's the interview.

 

[Orignal Earl]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/21/iran-supplied-hamas-missile-technology

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/26/iran-finding-ways-to-supply-more-weapons-to-hamas/

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/07/09/israel-hamas-gaza/12413027/

No, I just pulled that out of my ass.

The commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards has publicly admitted that his forces supplied the Islamic militant group Hamas with the know how to develop Fajr-5 missiles capable of reaching Tel Aviv

Ok I guess,

People pull things out of their ass here all the time, and keep pulling it out no matter the truth.
I just asked where you got your info from

 

[Jaskalas]

I used to feel bad for Palestinians, after all who doesnt favor the underdog - until I researched this issue.

I didn't care much, until September 11th, 2001. Guess whose side I chose after that.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I care about everyone who wishes to live in peace and prosperity and not impose on others. I'm a liberal libertarian after all. Any ideology that preaches conformity under threat whether earthy or non earthly I'm against hence my fervent atheism. (fundemenatalist) Islam happens to be more threatening to people within it's domain is all so yeah we could do with less.

For shame USG teaching that crap. I rail on them too see that thread about China where I'm all over our military.

You said this the last time you went after Muslims, then you said fundies, then you blamed all the ISIS videos.

 

[Zebo]

You said this the last time you went after Muslims, then you said fundies, then you blamed all the ISIS videos.

Whats the difference when the militants like hamas and isis threaten to kill you if you don't go along with their version? It's like Germans in WW2. Not all germans were bad people but fundi nazis with getapo threatened them all to conform. As such even whole cities were targets like Dresden.

 

[MongGrel]

Here's the interview.

Got me, misinformation perhaps?

When I was doing work on THAAD and a few other things I worked with several DRAPER labs people, who are basically Cambridge and MIT.

Charles Stark Draper Laboratory

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draper_Lab

 

[Orignal Earl]

Whats the difference when the militants like hamas and isis threaten to kill you if you don't go along with their version? It's like Germans in WW2. Not all germans were bad people but fundi nazis with getapo threatened them all to conform. As such even whole cities were targets like Dresden.

99.999999999999999% of Muslims do not give a damn what ISIS threatens.
We have been through this before. You will repeat your message again next week.

 

[Zebo]

99.999999999999999% of Muslims do not give a damn what ISIS threatens.
We have been through this before. You will repeat your message again next week.

So the people allow hamas to launch 300+ missles on israel? Thats even worse that means they are collectively liable. I thought it was due to intimidation by hamas.