Hamas Targeted Israeli Nuclear Facility With Rockets

[JEDIYoda]

NPR had an interview with a weapons expert yesterday. He estimated that Iron Dome has a ~5% hit rate against Hamas' rockets.

Weapons expert on NPR didn`t know shit about what he was talking about.
Independent sources have the effective rate right at 90%!!

 

[Nebor]

I just came in to say that Iron Dome is amazing. And Palestinians are the opposite of that.

 

[Jaskalas]

99.999999999999999% of Muslims do not give a damn what ISIS threatens.
We have been through this before. You will repeat your message again next week.

I believe he's referring to nationalities and militaries. Not some global population, but citing acts of war in WW2 and using those as a lesson for the sort of brutality that may be necessary in a real war today if one wanted to defeat militants like Hamas.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Palestinian Americans for some reason are not the animals you describe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_American


Quote:
In the United States approximately 46% of Palestinians have at least a college degree, compared to 18% of the American population

You are misrepresenting the facts......
A huge percentage of that 46% is reflective of a "college" degree from a school other than an American University....or a top notch international University....

 

[Zebo]

Weapons expert on NPR didn`t know shit about what he was talking about.
Independent sources have the effective rate right at 90%!!

This thing blows patriot batteries out of the water. Hopefully pals will buy a clue thats it's fruitless to attack Israel and focus on human development.

 

[JEDIYoda]

99.999999999999999% of Muslims do not give a damn what ISIS threatens.
We have been through this before. You will repeat your message again next week.

Ok...so your Muslim...cool....yet they do give a damn regardless if you are in denial or not...

 

[Jaskalas]

This thing blows patriot batteries out of the water. Hopefully pals will buy a clue thats it's fruitless to attack Israel and focus on human development.

Iron Dome is child's play next to the eventual laser "dome". Perhaps some day we'll get to see that next leap in technology.

 

[Zebo]

I just came in to say that Iron Dome is amazing. And Palestinians are the opposite of that.

When 7th century total explanation of the universe and moors tenants and atmospehrics are pushed what do you expect? Religion is the mind killer.

 

[MongGrel]

Iron Dome is child's play next to the eventual laser "dome". Perhaps some day we'll get to see that next leap in technology.

It's pretty much almost there, just not really deployed yet.

The range factor is still longer range and not powerful enough to be functionally effective up close and personal fast enough.

Is more for ICBM's ATM, and even then it's something that would have to be in the air or near where they are incoming.

When the laser power gets a bit higher they will be out there in the near future, I'd imagine.

 

[Ns1]

it's huge news overseas (ie BBC) and the Iron Dome is awesome....but 100k per interception :O

Anyway, this is generally what happens when you kick a hornet's nest. The fun part is figuring out which one is the hornet.

 

[MongGrel]

Yeah, cost is a factor, at least it can pick not to fire if a rocket isn't not hitting a populated area.

I thought it was around 48K, but not sure.

 

[JEDIYoda]

I thought it was around 48K, but not sure.

20k at the most...I will not elaborate...I just know..lolol

 

[Ns1]

from reuters...

Israel's Iron Dome interceptions of Palestinian rockets during eight days of Gaza fighting cost $25 million to $30 million, the government said on Thursday, arguing the U.S.-backed system was well worth the money.

divided by...

Using radar-guided interceptor missiles, Israel's five truck-towed Iron Dome batteries shot down 421 of some 1,500 rockets launched from the Gaza Strip between Nov. 14 and Wednesday's Egyptian-brokered truce, the military said.

It put Iron Dome's success rate at 90 percent. To lower costs, the system engages only rockets that threaten populated areas, though it often fires two interceptor missiles at once.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/22/israel-palestinians-irondome-idUSL5E8MM5PT20121122


soooo 25m divided by 421 intercepts = 59.3k/intercept

using the 30m figure brings it up to 71.2k

 

[Zebo]

Cost is irrelevant. US tax payer pay for it anyways. We don't want Israel to go ape shit and really retaliate with more deadly border defining consequences.

Anyway Dome is making Hamas lose legitimacy too like I said earlier. They waste all this money on missiles to kill jews instead of help their people advance and can't even score kills. Iron Dome well worth cost.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/10/us-palestinians-israel-hamas-idUSKBN0FF1VJ20140710

Despite the death and pain wrought on Gaza's citizens, Hamas says it has the means to carry on a long campaign if it must.

"Whoever thinks Hamas's ammunition will run out in days, weeks or months is delusional. We have lots in our pocket," senior Hamas official Mushir Al-Masri said on Wednesday.

"We want to bring you to your knees and achieve victory," Masri told Aqsa TV.

The tough rhetoric, however, is in part a cloak for weakness at home, where deepening poverty and hardship in Gaza helped push the group into a troubled unity government with the Fatah party headed by Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas.

"Hamas is extremely weak now. Weaker than ever before. It capitulated entirely to Abbas's demands in forming a reconciliation government. Gaza is in economic crisis. Hamas is bankrupt and doesn't have a friend left in the world,"

 

[JEDIYoda]

okay....so what`s new....

 

[Orignal Earl]

So the people allow hamas to launch 300+ missles on israel? Thats even worse that means they are collectively liable. I thought it was due to intimidation by hamas.

What can you do to stop the things your gov or fellow Americans is/are doing. Do you consider yourself liable for everything the US has done? Like I said last time, it's quite a fine line your walking here and a total denial of perspective.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Weapons expert on NPR didn`t know shit about what he was talking about.
Independent sources have the effective rate right at 90%!!

I bet you believe the Iranian who says Iran is supplying Hamas though eh

You are misrepresenting the facts......
A huge percentage of that 46% is reflective of a "college" degree from a school other than an American University....or a top notch international University....

You should go dig up your facts and fix that wiki article

 

[Orignal Earl]

Ok...so your Muslim...cool....yet they do give a damn regardless if you are in denial or not...

You think I'm Muslim because?

 

[Orignal Earl]

When 7th century total explanation of the universe and moors tenants and atmospehrics are pushed what do you expect? Religion is the mind killer.

America is one of the most religious countries in the world, Iran is less religious.

 

[redhotiron2004]

No matter Shia or Sunni, their common enemy is Israel. There's lots of proof. Because Hamas has struggled financially since they went on opposite sides of the Syrian conflict and Iran cut off the money.

They are like parasites. Once these shia and sunni would take others out. Then they would start a war between themselves. And it would go on forever.

These Islam believing people are always going to fight. It's there nature. It's that way there religion is.
Islam is a social evil that needs to be wiped out if humanity needs to exist.

Over the line of acceptability.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[Orignal Earl]

They are like parasites. Once these shia and sunni would take others out. Then they would start a war between themselves. And it would go on forever.

These Islam believing people are always going to fight. It's there nature. It's that way there religion is.
Islam is a social evil that needs to be wiped out if humanity needs to exist.

Statistically the number of people on this board who want to wipe out Islam, is vastly larger then Muslims who want to live in peace
The number would be like 99 to .00000000000000001

 

[JTsyo]

Despite the death and pain wrought on Gaza's citizens, Hamas says it has the means to carry on a long campaign if it must.

"Whoever thinks Hamas's ammunition will run out in days, weeks or months is delusional. We have lots in our pocket," senior Hamas official Mushir Al-Masri said on Wednesday.

"We want to bring you to your knees and achieve victory," Masri told Aqsa TV.

The tough rhetoric, however, is in part a cloak for weakness at home, where deepening poverty and hardship in Gaza helped push the group into a troubled unity government with the Fatah party headed by Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas.

"Hamas is extremely weak now. Weaker than ever before. It capitulated entirely to Abbas's demands in forming a reconciliation government. Gaza is in economic crisis. Hamas is bankrupt and doesn't have a friend left in the world,"

Anyone with half a brain can see their rhetoric is stupid. What's more likely to happen if they are able to get enough firepower to really damage Israeli cities? Israel goes down for the count or retaliates with disproportional force to eliminate the threat? Their is no victory for Hamas down this path only destruction and death. Which might be the goal of the international powers that back Hamas. Force Israel into a situation in which international criticism can be brought against them.

 

[Zebo]

Anyone with half a brain can see their rhetoric is stupid. What's more likely to happen if they are able to get enough firepower to really damage Israeli cities? Israel goes down for the count or retaliates with disproportional force to eliminate the threat? Their is no victory for Hamas down this path only destruction and death. Which might be the goal of the international powers that back Hamas. Force Israel into a situation in which international criticism can be brought against them.

Of course. Conflict has been redefined to earn Western sympathy after whole Arab armies realized they couldn't beat little Israel. They shifted tactics to the little Palestinians vs big bad Israel. But actors never changed after using pal shock troops.

It wont work though. First of all west is losing it's preeminence. second Israelis ultimately call the shots due to military position and are getting tired of it.

Proof is last 40 years israel gets richer and grows. Pals lot gets worse.

 

[redhotiron2004]

Anyone with half a brain can see their rhetoric is stupid. What's more likely to happen if they are able to get enough firepower to really damage Israeli cities? Israel goes down for the count or retaliates with disproportional force to eliminate the threat? Their is no victory for Hamas down this path only destruction and death. Which might be the goal of the international powers that back Hamas. Force Israel into a situation in which international criticism can be brought against them.

You know what, I can't think of any non Islamic country who would want to support Islamic cause and people.
So, even if Israel would increase it's firepower and kill more Islamic people(it's already doing that though). I don't think situation would change much.
Non Islamic countries have no to nil sympathy for these disillusioned people. And Israel can easily afford to wipe this country out. While the other countries would look elsewhere and won't interfere in Israel's affairs.

 

[Orignal Earl]

You know what, I can't think of any non Islamic country who would want to support Islamic cause and people.

In the United States, freedom of religion is a constitutionally guaranteed right provided in the religion clauses of the First Amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_United_States

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_by_country