Hamas strikes again

[heyheybooboo]

I'm not going to come out and accuse anyone (more so than I have if you can connect the dots) because there are good guys and bad guys on every side.

I provided a simple sensible explanation - not like the IDF who first accused Hamas, backed up, and accused Hamas again by way of Iran supporting another tertiary extremist organization which it has no history (and no reason) for doing so.

Especially when the simple explanation is right next door.

It would be a terrible thing for peace to break out and the blockade ended, huh?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

I was merely demonstrating that your explanation was not actually all that sensible. Whether or not Iran is funneling funds to the Palestinians via proxies is debatable. If it was found to be true I doubt anyone, even you, would be too surprised. But it's certainly not out of the question solely based on old religious schisms.

As far as peace breaking out, both sides have to show a willingness to negotiate. If the Palestinians want the blockade lifted they should:

1) Stop re-arming themselves.

2) Sit down and actually attempt to seek a compromise, which means they have to be willing to compromise as well.

 

[Freshgeardude]

So that's the discussion in this thread I see.

Hamas and hezbollah both have been proven to be funded by Iran.

Another recent example in the news was an article that said...

Iran, "Hamas, if you agree to any cease fire, we will stop funding you" I am on my phone so I can't link it, but I can assure you its on the internet.

As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
You are just dancing the chaff, ignoring the reality that Israel denies Palestinians the means to stop Hamas's attacks

I'm sure that Israel would welcome any/all attempts by concerned reasonable Palestinians to turn in each and every member of Hamas.

It would certainly be nice to see the Palestinians form "Concerned Citizen Brigades," rather than "Suicide Brigades."

If they policed themselves, the rest of the world wouldn't have to do it for them.

And how do you expect the civilian population, which Israel has insisted on keeping unarmed for decades now, round up those armed terrorists?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse

...especially the part about Hamas blaming some mystery third party for the attack(s).

The IDF said the attack was carried out by some third party, as the article a few post up explains.

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
So even if you are right and Israel is treating their people bad and stealing their land how can I support a response that is nothing more then petty vindictiveness.

There is no "even if" about what I'm stating, it is easily verifiable fact. Furthermore, Israel's conquest over Palestine has been going on constantly, since long before the rockets, so those rockets aren't vindictiveness as long as Israel is still actively colonizing across what little of Palestine is left.

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN
If Palestine wants the world to really back them then they need to pull their military together and fight a war that has specific goals that we can at least accept and not just kill Jews.

Palestinians never had a military, and they have no possibility of one with Israeli military keeping their nation under lockdown over decades. Hence some are driven to the insanity of engaging in terrorism. However, even then Hamas didn't get the majority of votes, yet you still condemn all Palestinians for the actions of the few.

Why do so many of you insist on living in some fantasy world rather than facing the reality of this conflict?

We are facing the reality of this conflict......just not your reality of the conflict!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
You are just dancing the chaff, ignoring the reality that Israel denies Palestinians the means to stop Hamas's attacks

I'm sure that Israel would welcome any/all attempts by concerned reasonable Palestinians to turn in each and every member of Hamas.

It would certainly be nice to see the Palestinians form "Concerned Citizen Brigades," rather than "Suicide Brigades."

If they policed themselves, the rest of the world wouldn't have to do it for them.

And how do you expect the civilian population, which Israel has insisted on keeping unarmed for decades now, round up those armed terrorists?

Possibly the same way the elected Hamas....common dude...your reality is just that ONLY your reality!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude
So that's the discussion in this thread I see.

Hamas and hezbollah both have been proven to be funded by Iran.

Another recent example in the news was an article that said...

Iran, "Hamas, if you agree to any cease fire, we will stop funding you" I am on my phone so I can't link it, but I can assure you its on the internet.

As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it

Your words are so very true!!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
We are facing the reality of this conflict......just not your reality of the conflict!

There is only one reality and if you had any grasp on it at all you'd ether agree with descriptions of that reality or present rational arguments against them. Obviously you don't have the cognitive abilities to accomplish anything of the sort.

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Possibly the same way the elected Hamas....common dude...your reality is just that ONLY your reality!!

Sure, because in your "reality" there were no terrorists before Hamas was elected. :roll:

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
You are just dancing the chaff, ignoring the reality that Israel denies Palestinians the means to stop Hamas's attacks

I'm sure that Israel would welcome any/all attempts by concerned reasonable Palestinians to turn in each and every member of Hamas.

It would certainly be nice to see the Palestinians form "Concerned Citizen Brigades," rather than "Suicide Brigades."

If they policed themselves, the rest of the world wouldn't have to do it for them.

And how do you expect the civilian population, which Israel has insisted on keeping unarmed for decades now, round up those armed terrorists?

Another take on that is to say that is entirely there problem.....

If you think about it, the people attacking Israel is really the palestinians problem or shall we also include Hamas?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
We booth know in a real world.....

But humor me and agree with me.....not because I asked you too...but because you know that I am right...

Leave Israel alone and there will be peace....
leave the arab world alone and there will never be peace.....

yet we both know that Israel wants to be left alone and the others do not want to leave Israel alone.

You and I both know that if we dis-arm Israel in a short time there will be no Israel!

We also know that if you dis-arm the others(we call them others because no matter who says what it`s always somebody else) we know their will be Peace in that region....

I know that Israel stacks Arab bodies by the thousands in their colonial conquest across the West Bank, while complaining about primitive rockets which only rarely kill Jews. That is what is happening in the real world, the mantra you chant is only an illusion.

The Mantra I Chant is very true and accurate!!
Because you refuse to admit I am correct!! That in and of itself is enough!!

Again answer my question? You can`t because you know I am correct!!
Plus for you to say -- Jedi you are correct would mean that you would have to give up your Mantra about the poor Palestinians and the bad Israeli`s......

Now with that said....we again need to get beyond who is right and who is wrong....
Both parties or shall we say all parties need to sit down and have a few drinks without weapons and get to know each other....

Each day there is conflict IMO makes it that much less probable that a solution will ever be found!!

 

[kylebisme]

Here is a little reality for you:

Residents of the Zeitun neighborhood who returned to their homes once the fighting in the region was over discovered that their walls had been marked with slogans such as "Die you all," Make war not peace," "Death to Arabs," "Arabs must die," and "One down, 999,999 to go."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articl...7340,L-3663008,00.html

Pictures on the linked page.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
You are just dancing the chaff, ignoring the reality that Israel denies Palestinians the means to stop Hamas's attacks

I'm sure that Israel would welcome any/all attempts by concerned reasonable Palestinians to turn in each and every member of Hamas.

It would certainly be nice to see the Palestinians form "Concerned Citizen Brigades," rather than "Suicide Brigades."

If they policed themselves, the rest of the world wouldn't have to do it for them.

And how do you expect the civilian population, which Israel has insisted on keeping unarmed for decades now, round up those armed terrorists?

He lives in an A-Team fantasy world

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Here is a little reality for you:

Residents of the Zeitun neighborhood who returned to their homes once the fighting in the region was over discovered that their walls had been marked with slogans such as "Die you all," Make war not peace," "Death to Arabs," "Arabs must die," and "One down, 999,999 to go."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articl...7340,L-3663008,00.html

Pictures on the linked page.

And if he wants to scream propaganda.. falsities.. etc.. That video from 7 years ago showed the mindset of the racist Israeli soldiers ... when it directly interviewed them

We recently saw the racist scum when after they murdered that Palestinian doctors whole family .. that Israeli mother was yelling and screaming at him in the hospital

Settlers beatdown Palestinian sheepherders and fill their wells with rocks and kill their sheep..

Then.. when they want to try and shut someone up who is making sense and uncovering their BS.. they call THEM anti semites or anti jews etc etc.. when it is REALLY THEM

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
You are just dancing the chaff, ignoring the reality that Israel denies Palestinians the means to stop Hamas's attacks

I'm sure that Israel would welcome any/all attempts by concerned reasonable Palestinians to turn in each and every member of Hamas.

It would certainly be nice to see the Palestinians form "Concerned Citizen Brigades," rather than "Suicide Brigades."

If they policed themselves, the rest of the world wouldn't have to do it for them.

And how do you expect the civilian population, which Israel has insisted on keeping unarmed for decades now, round up those armed terrorists?

He lives in an A-Team fantasy world

You are one to talk sympathizer :laugh:

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Here is a little reality for you:

Residents of the Zeitun neighborhood who returned to their homes once the fighting in the region was over discovered that their walls had been marked with slogans such as "Die you all," Make war not peace," "Death to Arabs," "Arabs must die," and "One down, 999,999 to go."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articl...7340,L-3663008,00.html

Pictures on the linked page.

And if he wants to scream propaganda.. falsities.. etc.. That video from 7 years ago showed the mindset of the racist Israeli soldiers ... when it directly interviewed them

We recently saw the racist scum when after they murdered that Palestinian doctors whole family .. that Israeli mother was yelling and screaming at him in the hospital

Settlers beatdown Palestinian sheepherders and fill their wells with rocks and kill their sheep..

Then.. when they want to try and shut someone up who is making sense and uncovering their BS.. they call THEM anti semites or anti jews etc etc.. when it is REALLY THEM

No, we call them as we seem them. For someone so against propaganda I'm surprised at some of the threads you make :laugh:

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Here is a little reality for you:

Residents of the Zeitun neighborhood who returned to their homes once the fighting in the region was over discovered that their walls had been marked with slogans such as "Die you all," Make war not peace," "Death to Arabs," "Arabs must die," and "One down, 999,999 to go."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articl...7340,L-3663008,00.html

Pictures on the linked page.

And if he wants to scream propaganda.. falsities.. etc.. That video from 7 years ago showed the mindset of the racist Israeli soldiers ... when it directly interviewed them

We recently saw the racist scum when after they murdered that Palestinian doctors whole family .. that Israeli mother was yelling and screaming at him in the hospital

Settlers beatdown Palestinian sheepherders and fill their wells with rocks and kill their sheep..

Then.. when they want to try and shut someone up who is making sense and uncovering their BS.. they call THEM anti semites or anti jews etc etc.. when it is REALLY THEM

No, we call them as we seem them. For someone so against propaganda I'm surprised at some of the threads you make :laugh:

I forgot their other favorite one to use
anti-semite
anti-jew
OR.. how could I forget -- they call you are TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER AND don't even have to back it up

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Here is a little reality for you:

Residents of the Zeitun neighborhood who returned to their homes once the fighting in the region was over discovered that their walls had been marked with slogans such as "Die you all," Make war not peace," "Death to Arabs," "Arabs must die," and "One down, 999,999 to go."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articl...7340,L-3663008,00.html

Pictures on the linked page.

And if he wants to scream propaganda.. falsities.. etc.. That video from 7 years ago showed the mindset of the racist Israeli soldiers ... when it directly interviewed them

We recently saw the racist scum when after they murdered that Palestinian doctors whole family .. that Israeli mother was yelling and screaming at him in the hospital

Settlers beatdown Palestinian sheepherders and fill their wells with rocks and kill their sheep..

Then.. when they want to try and shut someone up who is making sense and uncovering their BS.. they call THEM anti semites or anti jews etc etc.. when it is REALLY THEM

No, we call them as we seem them. For someone so against propaganda I'm surprised at some of the threads you make :laugh:

I forgot their other favorite one to use
anti-semite
anti-jew
OR.. how could I forget -- they call you are TERRORIST SYMPATHIZER AND don't even have to back it up

Alright sympathizer :laugh:

Did you donate any money to the Hamas charity they set up yet? Maybe you can fly over and set up some IDE's to support your cause :laugh:

 

[Lemon law]

Freshgeardude is a total liar when he says, "As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it."

Pssssst, what do you think happened in the Annapolis peace conference, even Syria signed on, but all of Rice's horses and all of Mad King George's men couldn't put anything together again when Israel kept expanding their settlements in the West Bank.

Tell me again about how Israel is a serious peace partner, freshgeardude. WHEN ISRAEL WILL NOT MAKE A SINGLE CONCESSION to even Fatah.

If Israel made any concessions to Fatah, it might have also forced Hamas to sign on.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Freshgeardude is a total liar when he says, "As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it."

Pssssst, what do you think happened in the Annapolis peace conference, even Syria signed on, but all of Rice's horses and all of Mad King George's men couldn't put anything together again when Israel kept expanding their settlements in the West Bank.

Tell me again about how Israel is a serious peace partner, freshgeardude. WHEN ISRAEL WILL NOT MAKE A SINGLE CONCESSION to even Fatah.

If Israel made any concessions to Fatah, it might have also forced Hamas to sign on.

so israel offering 98% of all of the land they have taken since 1949 or the other time they offered 95% + land in the negev to make up more than 5% werent good enough?

Israel has asked for peace many times, they have offered most of the land, including land to make up for peices they must keep (bases and whatnot), but the palestinians never agreed. Hamas and other terrorist groups dont want the land, they dont want peace, they want the destruction of Israel.

 

[HannibalX]

Originally posted by: Budmantom
We need Barrrack Hussein Obama to fix this, he knows how to interact with radicals.

lulz

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Remember this all you Hamas-lovers.


Time to go back.

I don't know any Hamas lovers but I wouldn't be surprised if they go back in. Couldn't blame them either.

They are called liberals.

Indeed we are, if you knew that liberalism per scriptum means freedom, perhaps you'd be less of a complete idiot when uttering the word liberalism?

Nah, of course not, now go back to church and pray while i do the job for liberalism.

Pathetic.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar
Hey, I'd go even further - stop supporting South Korea and start arming the North, for example. It would also have the benefit of settling right on with your radical left wing ideology - win!

How about we work to have Israel and Palestine hold secure border between each other? That is a workable solution much like what exists between South Korea North Korea today, and is just what the world has been calling for over decades, while our government backs Israel's conquest over what little is left of Palestine instead.

I think that the big difference between the two areas is both Koreas are willing to honor the DMZ. Neither lobs shells across it.

w/ Israel, an attempt at a DMZ in northern Israel (controlled by the UN) has worked as long as both sides want it to. As shown in '06, Hezbollah chose to ignore it.

The wall on the West Bank has acted as a DMZ and worked fairly well; attacks on Israel from that area have diminished. People did not like the effect of a wall, but it seems to have accomplished what Israel desired.

In Gaza, Israel tried the land for peace route and it did not work. As long as Hamas/Palestinians there have the ability to launch into Israel, they were doing so. The size of a DMZ there would have to incease to adapt to new munitions. The Palestinians will not accept losing parts of Gaza to protect Israel

This is exactly the point, Hamas continues to wage war in a cease fire and whaddayaknow, a country defends itself...

I'm fairly sure that NK would have been obliterated if they had even tried, all of NATO had a ready force at one time and that force can be relocated in a day.

Personally i think that there will be no peace until the terror organisations that entice the people are gone from Palestine.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Freshgeardude is a total liar when he says, "As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it."

Pssssst, what do you think happened in the Annapolis peace conference, even Syria signed on, but all of Rice's horses and all of Mad King George's men couldn't put anything together again when Israel kept expanding their settlements in the West Bank.

Tell me again about how Israel is a serious peace partner, freshgeardude. WHEN ISRAEL WILL NOT MAKE A SINGLE CONCESSION to even Fatah.

If Israel made any concessions to Fatah, it might have also forced Hamas to sign on.

Give it up dude!!
Your way out of your league on this one!!
Make sure the propoganda you spout is accurate and not just another reality that Snowman lives in!!

 

[Freshgeardude]

and hamas continues to break the truce. fucking pigs

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[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Freshgeardude is a total liar when he says, "As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it."

Pssssst, what do you think happened in the Annapolis peace conference, even Syria signed on, but all of Rice's horses and all of Mad King George's men couldn't put anything together again when Israel kept expanding their settlements in the West Bank.

Tell me again about how Israel is a serious peace partner, freshgeardude. WHEN ISRAEL WILL NOT MAKE A SINGLE CONCESSION to even Fatah.

If Israel made any concessions to Fatah, it might have also forced Hamas to sign on.

This is a lie, all of it.

Perhaps you just like to lie or you are simply uneducated on the matter but there have been agreements between Israel and Fathah (last one in Cairo during this conflict) that Hamas and Al Quassam do not follow.

Hamas wants every Jew dead, that is their goal and the ONLY thing they will ever agree with is that Israel is gone.

You and I have had discussions regarding Talibans where i have told you what they have done and you still supported them.

You are nothing but a sick little twat that really should get over here to fight for your cause among your fellow brothers.