Hamas strikes again

[Lemon law]

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Freshgeardude is a total liar when he says, "As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it."

Pssssst, what do you think happened in the Annapolis peace conference, even Syria signed on, but all of Rice's horses and all of Mad King George's men couldn't put anything together again when Israel kept expanding their settlements in the West Bank.

Tell me again about how Israel is a serious peace partner, freshgeardude. WHEN ISRAEL WILL NOT MAKE A SINGLE CONCESSION to even Fatah.

If Israel made any concessions to Fatah, it might have also forced Hamas to sign on.

so israel offering 98% of all of the land they have taken since 1949 or the other time they offered 95% + land in the negev to make up more than 5% werent good enough?

Israel has asked for peace many times, they have offered most of the land, including land to make up for peices they must keep (bases and whatnot), but the palestinians never agreed. Hamas and other terrorist groups dont want the land, they dont want peace, they want the destruction of Israel.

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Delude on freshgeardude, your total denial of reality is somehow instructive.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

Originally posted by: freshgeardude

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Freshgeardude is a total liar when he says, "As for peace... The day the palestinian leaders agree to sit in a room with israel is the day we can look for peace. For now though that is not happening because they won't do it."

Pssssst, what do you think happened in the Annapolis peace conference, even Syria signed on, but all of Rice's horses and all of Mad King George's men couldn't put anything together again when Israel kept expanding their settlements in the West Bank.

Tell me again about how Israel is a serious peace partner, freshgeardude. WHEN ISRAEL WILL NOT MAKE A SINGLE CONCESSION to even Fatah.

If Israel made any concessions to Fatah, it might have also forced Hamas to sign on.

so israel offering 98% of all of the land they have taken since 1949 or the other time they offered 95% + land in the negev to make up more than 5% werent good enough?

Israel has asked for peace many times, they have offered most of the land, including land to make up for peices they must keep (bases and whatnot), but the palestinians never agreed. Hamas and other terrorist groups dont want the land, they dont want peace, they want the destruction of Israel.

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Delude on freshgeardude, your total denial of reality is somehow instructive.

Actually, he's perfectly correct.

This, of course refers only to Palestinian land.

 

[kylebisme]

He isn't correct, he is just quoting the massively fudged figures Israel claims. Try looking at actual maps of what Israel "offered" to take from Palestinians at Camp David II and you'll see how absurd Israel's claims are. Here is a flash presentation from Israelis who actually do want peace, which illustrates how Israel's "offer" was no attempt at anything of the sort:

http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/barak_eng.swf

Also note that the Annapolis negotiations outright excluded any discussion over Israel's insistence on keeping Palestinian East Jerusalem for themselves.

And beyond that, note the the International Court of Justice's ruling on Israel's wall in the West Bank which clearly defines it as in violation of international law:

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/...1=3&p2=1&case=131&p3=6

Would you not rather be on the side of justice rather than a supporter of the power perpetuate injustice?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
He isn't correct, he is just quoting the massively fudged figures Israel claims. Try looking at actual maps of what Israel "offered" to take from Palestinians at Camp David II and you'll see how absurd Israel's claims are. Here is a flash presentation from Israelis who actually do want peace, which illustrates how Israel's "offer" was no attempt at anything of the sort:

http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/barak_eng.swf

Also note that the Annapolis negotiations outright excluded any discussion over Israel's insistence on keeping Palestinian East Jerusalem for themselves.

And beyond that, note the the International Court of Justice's ruling on Israel's wall in the West Bank which clearly defines it as in violation of international law:

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/...1=3&p2=1&case=131&p3=6

Would you not rather be on the side of justice rather than a supporter of the power perpetuate injustice?

No, actually, he IS correct.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
He isn't correct, he is just quoting the massively fudged figures Israel claims. Try looking at actual maps of what Israel "offered" to take from Palestinians at Camp David II and you'll see how absurd Israel's claims are. Here is a flash presentation from Israelis who actually do want peace, which illustrates how Israel's "offer" was no attempt at anything of the sort:

http://www.gush-shalom.org/media/barak_eng.swf

Also note that the Annapolis negotiations outright excluded any discussion over Israel's insistence on keeping Palestinian East Jerusalem for themselves.

And beyond that, note the the International Court of Justice's ruling on Israel's wall in the West Bank which clearly defines it as in violation of international law:

http://www.icj-cij.org/docket/...1=3&p2=1&case=131&p3=6

Would you not rather be on the side of justice rather than a supporter of the power perpetuate injustice?

No, actually, he IS correct.

What is correct? That Isarelis are even more extreme religious nutbags who knowingly and purposely claimed the most religious holy ground all to themselves (god's Chosen - LOL) and then proceeded to steal more land and use racist immigration policies and fill areas with racist settlers who beat and murder palestinians who want to collect the olives that are theirs or let their sheep graze on land that belonged to them

If there ever was a candidate for people who are NOT Gods Chosen.. they can be called Israelis - Jewish does not = Israeli.. TYVM

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
No, actually, he IS correct.

He is full of shit, and so are you, which is why you are incapable of providing evidence to prove you claim and have to resort to simply reasserting yourself instead.

Tell me, are you conscious of your insistence of perpetuating iniquity rather than justice, or are you an unwitting satanist?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
No, actually, he IS correct.

He is full of shit, and so are you, which is why you are incapable of providing evidence to prove you claim and have to resort to simply reasserting yourself instead.

Tell me, are you conscious of your insistence of perpetuating iniquity rather than justice, or are you an unwitting satanist?

Son, i don't get your point here, you are as hateful and ignorant as those you defend.

It's a pity that you can't be here to help them while they murder innocent teenagers, i mean, that IS what you are defending, you stupid POS.

But you don't want to know about what Hamas does to Fatah, it's all good in your stupid fucking brain, it's fucking awesome that they shoot rockets from an area given back and you think the Israelis should give MORE land back so they can really hurt the civilians in Israel.

STOP for one fucking second and think, REALLY think, befere you continue with your bollocks. THINK about what you are saying.....

And perhaps i am a satanist, i do seem to have an apparent death wish.

 

[kylebisme]

My point is that you have no rational basis for your argument, and hence have to resort simply reasserting it and slandering me with mischaracterizations.

Also, having a deathwish doesn't make you satanist, it is your support for perpetuating injustice against others that does.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
And how do you expect the civilian population, which Israel has insisted on keeping unarmed for decades now, round up those armed terrorists?

Are you f'n kidding me!? There are more weapons per capita in Gaza than nearly any other place on earth.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman


And how do you expect the civilian population, which Israel has insisted on keeping unarmed for decades now, round up those armed terrorists?

If the Palestinians have been unarmed for decades; then how have then been killing Israelies? Slingshots?

Why do Israeli soldiers have to wear flak vests when on patrol.

Was Hamas throwing rocks in the last incident.
What are the rockets from, sand?
Why is it that you see shots of Palestinians shooting their AK47s into the air all over the news.

 

[kylebisme]

Only the the Israeli authorised Palestinian security forces are allowed limited weaponry, and the terrorists obviously smuggle in their own. That leaves millions of Palestinian civilians completely unarmed and incapable of stopping the terrorists, let alone Israel's conquest over their homeland.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Only the the Israeli authorised Palestinian security forces are allowed limited weaponry, and the terrorists obviously smuggle in their own. That leaves millions of Palestinian civilians completely unarmed and incapable of stopping the terrorists, let alone Israel's conquest over their homeland.

Well, I guess the civilians are just fucked then huh? Their own elected government wont take care of them, other Arab nations wont take care of them, and the terrorists will just use them as shields. Sucks to be them.

 

[kylebisme]

Do you get off on knowing how much those millions of people suffer under the conquest of their homeland which you cheer on?

 

[ericlp]

sounds to me like we need another isreal/hamas thread...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Only the the Israeli authorised Palestinian security forces are allowed limited weaponry, and the terrorists obviously smuggle in their own. That leaves millions of Palestinian civilians completely unarmed and incapable of stopping the terrorists, let alone Israel's conquest over their homeland.

Seeing the media clips, it would seem that most Palestinians have some weapons.
Or did Israel confiscate those weapons after 9/11?

There are also weapons on the West Bank.

Who is smuggling in the weapons in Gaza?
Hamas or the Palestinian civilians.

 

[kylebisme]

Do you own homework.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Only the the Israeli authorised Palestinian security forces are allowed limited weaponry, and the terrorists obviously smuggle in their own. That leaves millions of Palestinian civilians completely unarmed and incapable of stopping the terrorists, let alone Israel's conquest over their homeland.

Well, I guess the civilians are just fucked then huh? Their own elected government wont take care of them, other Arab nations wont take care of them, and the terrorists will just use them as shields. Sucks to be them.

I agree 100%!!!!

 

[kylebisme]

Of course you agree, you obviously get some sick thrill out of watching Israel keep millions of Arabs in a constant state of being fucked.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Of course you agree, you obviously get some sick thrill out of watching Israel keep millions of Arabs in a constant state of being fucked.

Don`t you mean they keep themselves in the constant state of being fucked??

 

[kylebisme]

No, but of course a rapist will claim his victim is asking for it.

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Of course you agree, you obviously get some sick thrill out of watching Israel keep millions of Arabs in a constant state of being fucked.

Actually, their own government is keeping them fucked. If they had an effective government they wouldn't be getting slaughtered. But they will never have an effective government because their society is based on revenge and hate. Sad but true.

 

[kylebisme]

You say that as if you think palestinians asked to have to have theracist and militant nationalist movement which is Israel colonize their homeland out from under them.

 

[KurskKnyaz]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Of course you agree, you obviously get some sick thrill out of watching Israel keep millions of Arabs in a constant state of being fucked.

actually its the Arabs that are keeping millions of Arab in a constant fucked state. Israel pulled out of Gaza and Hamas went to war.

Edit:

ooops didn't see that 10 other people beat me to this

 

[Freshgeardude]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Of course you agree, you obviously get some sick thrill out of watching Israel keep millions of Arabs in a constant state of being fucked.

dont you know? arabs have rallies and parties every time one of thier people do an act of terrorism and kill innocent israelis.

families even get payed when a member does something such as suicide bombing

 

[theflyingpig]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
You say that as if you think palestinians asked to have to have theracist and militant nationalist movement which is Israel colonize their homeland out from under them.

They are too weak to stop it from happening. They are too foolish to get help. They are too stupid to stop attacking Israel. These are facts that cannot be denied. This is why the Palestinians are a failure. They should be happy with what they have.