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Lifer
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Wow, you are an ignorant nerd, aren't you? I agree, civilians shouldn't be killed, but they have no alternative. They don't have a country trying to hunt terrorism w/ terrorist tactics behind their back. So get a clue.
Also, I am curious how you know that Israel wouldn't target civilians? Looks like you live your life in a strategy game. Get a clue buddy, get a clue.
Ozoned
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telling people to shut up is not a very persuasive argument. As for your opinion: it is neither credible nor is it a thoughtful point. I'm sorry you are so taken by whatever propaganda keeps you from having an even handed view to the world, hopefully you'll realize that everyone else isn't nuts and your not the only sane one.
I'm sorry that my lack of clue indicates to you that my words inacurate. I can assure you that the facts on the ground are indeed that hamas atacks innocent civilians while Sharon's targets are military in nature.
I'm not sure how personal insults change the outcome of my observations, nor how distracting from the question posed in any way changes the answer. Unless of course you are arguing that the intentional targeted murder of civilians for the sake of trying to strike terror into the hearts of the civilian population is some how acceptable. I highly doubt that you are saying you think that such things could ever be justified... but i would like confirmation because:
The essential point of who has what sized army are completely irrelevant: unless you take as pre-supposed that the murder of civilians for the sake of trying to terrorize the civilian population is justified if the opponent has a lacking military force.
So are you arguing such?
sometimes my manner of speaking is to "complex"
for some to follow, as such I've emphasized the only words you truly need to see in order to understand the ideas in my point.and after the "terrorists" are gone, they'll come up with a different definition. Maybe next time they'll target you or me. Humans thrive on conflict.
There's really no logical solution to the overall conflict. The only apparent solution is that one side has to win. I hope I'm wrong.
Isn't it interesting how easy it is to call other people cockroaches and loose it when you get called one yourself. I don't really think of you as a cockroach, Romans, I just wanted you to see yourself. And you did, rather well in fact, it would seem, by how you reacted to yourself in the mirror.
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Moonie's response was hardly as vicious. Read their exchanges again and tell me how you think that. And as for your sig, you think sweeping generalizations about 1/2 the country being "traitors" is an improvement? Christ, I'd like to see what you do when you fall of the wagon.
EDIT: Oh, you were talking about perknose's comments?
Correct, I wasn't referring to Moonbeam
Where's the generalization? I'm just offerring up evidence, then asking the question, and allowing everyone to decide for themselves.
Trust me, it's been hard...I've seen some doozy quotes lately
Now, back on topic. Kudos to Israel. They should kill every known leader of Hamas. Every spokesman that comes onto TV or the radio preaching violence against israel should be targeted. Hamas is nothing more than a more refined, richer Al-Qaida, that just hasn't yet targeted the US yet because they recognize it would spell their doom even faster.
It's ok moonie, we know you're untouchable.
You don't have to rub Romans nose in your insults though. You got him banned, that should be enough to satisfy you for today.
What was the purpose of that message? You're just trying to instigate this even further. You often try to put yourself on a pedestal above everyone else and talk down to them to make a point. That's not healthy.
Michael
Elite member
- Nov 19, 1999
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Moonbeam long ago allowed hate to overcome him and became a huge troll.
The rules don't apply to him, so I expect nothing to happen. At one pojnt I figured a mod would at least post a warning to him for trolling, but not even that.
Just part of what you have to live with on AT.
Michael
ps - Elite members have been banned in the past and I bet it will happen in the future as well. So it isn't that. I have my own suspicions of why some don't get banned, but discussing it publically is a ticket to a banning.
pps - If you can't tell the difference between Hamas and the democratically elected government of Israel, then I have a difficult time discussing the subject with you. If the PLO/Hamas/other terrorist group had a goal other than the utter destruction of Israel, then it might be a different story. Some people just hate the Jews and threads like this bring them out in droves.
The rules don't apply to him, so I expect nothing to happen. At one pojnt I figured a mod would at least post a warning to him for trolling, but not even that.
Just part of what you have to live with on AT.
Michael
ps - Elite members have been banned in the past and I bet it will happen in the future as well. So it isn't that. I have my own suspicions of why some don't get banned, but discussing it publically is a ticket to a banning.
pps - If you can't tell the difference between Hamas and the democratically elected government of Israel, then I have a difficult time discussing the subject with you. If the PLO/Hamas/other terrorist group had a goal other than the utter destruction of Israel, then it might be a different story. Some people just hate the Jews and threads like this bring them out in droves.
Wow, what an intelligent comment. I don't think I said anything funny, or maybe you just have trouble understanding what most would construe as a legitimate consideration.
It's ok moonie, we know you're untouchable.
You don't have to rub Romans nose in your insults though. You got him banned, that should be enough to satisfy you for today.
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Hehe, you know alot more than I do, etech, saying I'm untouchable or should I call that thinking you know alot more. And I would hope that anybody with a nickels worth of common sense would know that Romans got himself banned. Where's your right winged sense of personal responsibility. His reactions were all his own and totally unpredictable. It's interesting that you are so offended by negativism toward the country, and yet you have no problem at all pigeon-holing me as somebody who's happy to see somebody banned. You must be reacting to something you hate about yourself that you don't recognize or see. I found it very unfortunate that he was given a vacation over something I said. That's part of why I mentioned that I really don't feel about him as though he were a cockroach. What I wanted him to see is his need to hurt others by turning the tables and feeding him his own spew.
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What was the purpose of that message? You're just trying to instigate this even further. You often try to put yourself on a pedestal above everyone else and talk down to them to make a point. That's not healthy.
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My dear FrodoB, I don't know what dream world you inhabit, but I can tell you this: Nobody acquires any real knowledge about himself or herself that isn't tremendously painful. The mirror of truth is brutal. It is also of priceless value. What you call instigate is in fact a gift. I'm indifferent to the fact that it is an unwelcome one just as a parent is indifferent to the bitter taste of medicine to their sick child. As far as the pedistal goes, my dear Frodo, it's you who put me there. Because I am a nothing, you fancy that I'm great. What I am is you in the mirror.
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Moonbeam long ago allowed hate to overcome him and became a huge troll.
The rules don't apply to him, so I expect nothing to happen. At one pojnt I figured a mod would at least post a warning to him for trolling, but not even that.
Just part of what you have to live with on AT.
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I am also you in the mirror.
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When huge egos meet nobody, sparks fly. May you all loose your thousand pounds of cabbage and die.
You don't have to rub Romans nose in your insults though. You got him banned, that should be enough to satisfy you for today.
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Hehe, you know alot more than I do, etech, saying I'm untouchable or should I call that thinking you know alot more. And I would hope that anybody with a nickels worth of common sense would know that Romans got himself banned. Where's your right winged sense of personal responsibility. His reactions were all his own and totally unpredictable. It's interesting that you are so offended by negativism toward the country, and yet you have no problem at all pigeon-holing me as somebody who's happy to see somebody banned. You must be reacting to something you hate about yourself that you don't recognize or see. I found it very unfortunate that he was given a vacation over something I said. That's part of why I mentioned that I really don't feel about him as though he were a cockroach. What I wanted him to see is his need to hurt others by turning the tables and feeding him his own spew.
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What was the purpose of that message? You're just trying to instigate this even further. You often try to put yourself on a pedestal above everyone else and talk down to them to make a point. That's not healthy.
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My dear FrodoB, I don't know what dream world you inhabit, but I can tell you this: Nobody acquires any real knowledge about himself or herself that isn't tremendously painful. The mirror of truth is brutal. It is also of priceless value. What you call instigate is in fact a gift. I'm indifferent to the fact that it is an unwelcome one just as a parent is indifferent to the bitter taste of medicine to their sick child. As far as the pedistal goes, my dear Frodo, it's you who put me there. Because I am a nothing, you fancy that I'm great. What I am is you in the mirror.
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Moonbeam long ago allowed hate to overcome him and became a huge troll.
The rules don't apply to him, so I expect nothing to happen. At one pojnt I figured a mod would at least post a warning to him for trolling, but not even that.
Just part of what you have to live with on AT.
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I am also you in the mirror.
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When huge egos meet nobody, sparks fly. May you all loose your thousand pounds of cabbage and die.
So your afraid that ending terrorism now will just lead to a crack down of other 'views' later?
Man.. bozo... I'm glad that at least your honest with yourself... ever consider trying to balance out that karmic deficit?
Mega Works, please don't crap in threads...
you are aware, i'm sure, that hamas is murdering the Israeli children, intentionally, but Sharon does not respond with a full-scale military attack against those he's at war with. This is war, it's hell, and Israelis are trying to play it nice.. if they 'learned a little to much Nazi history' then they'd be slaughtering the people left and right, threatening the people around them with their nuclear weapons, instead of using targeted assassinations of leaders.
unless you are arguing that they are nothing like Nazis.
no they are terrorists because they target civilians.
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's ok moonie, we know you're untouchable.
You don't have to rub Romans nose in your insults though. You got him banned, that should be enough to satisfy you for today.
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Hehe, you know alot more than I do, etech, saying I'm untouchable or should I call that thinking you know alot more. And I would hope that anybody with a nickels worth of common sense would know that Romans got himself banned. Where's your right winged sense of personal responsibility. His reactions were all his own and totally unpredictable. It's interesting that you are so offended by negativism toward the country, and yet you have no problem at all pigeon-holing me as somebody who's happy to see somebody banned. You must be reacting to something you hate about yourself that you don't recognize or see. I found it very unfortunate that he was given a vacation over something I said. That's part of why I mentioned that I really don't feel about him as though he were a cockroach. What I wanted him to see is his need to hurt others by turning the tables and feeding him his own spew.
================
What was the purpose of that message? You're just trying to instigate this even further. You often try to put yourself on a pedestal above everyone else and talk down to them to make a point. That's not healthy.
====================
My dear FrodoB, I don't know what dream world you inhabit, but I can tell you this: Nobody acquires any real knowledge about himself or herself that isn't tremendously painful. The mirror of truth is brutal. It is also of priceless value. What you call instigate is in fact a gift. I'm indifferent to the fact that it is an unwelcome one just as a parent is indifferent to the bitter taste of medicine to their sick child. As far as the pedistal goes, my dear Frodo, it's you who put me there. Because I am a nothing, you fancy that I'm great. What I am is you in the mirror.
====================
Moonbeam long ago allowed hate to overcome him and became a huge troll.
The rules don't apply to him, so I expect nothing to happen. At one pojnt I figured a mod would at least post a warning to him for trolling, but not even that.
Just part of what you have to live with on AT.
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I am also you in the mirror.
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When huge egos meet nobody, sparks fly. May you all loose your thousand pounds of cabbage and die.
You need to seek professional help.
Originally posted by: Moon[Bozo]
Isn't it interesting how easy it is to [lie about] other people [being] cockroaches and [gloat] when you [act like] one yourself. I don't really think of you as a cockroach, Romans, I [was] just [trolling]. And you did, rather well in fact, it would seem, [in taking the bate].
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Man.. bozo... I'm glad that at least your honest with yourself... ever consider trying to balance out that karmic deficit?
Hehe, I am Bozo, a fisher of men.
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Frodo: You need to seek professional help.
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Some day you may be lucky enough to realize that is the healthy who hear that constantly, more so than the insane.
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I find it fascinating that if an alien force could switch all the Palestinian babies born with all the Jewish babies born night after night, in not too many years the children would be killing their parents. How odd that people get so excited about the side on which they think they were born when, in fact, we are all exactly the same. Who you think you are is just an accident and who you really are is deeply hidden, hidden beneath the deeply suppressed but illusionary feeling that you are a cockroach. The reason that insults hurt is that they are already believed. We insult others in the hope that we can make others feel as rotten as we already feel. The Arab Israeli conflict cannot really be solved without understanding this. Always and everywhere the enemy is us, our own self hate. It really pissed me off when I found out. Damn, there's no one to blame.
Isn't it interesting how easy it is to [lie about] other people [being] cockroaches and [gloat] when you [act like] one yourself. I don't really think of you as a cockroach, Romans, I [was] just [trolling]. And you did, rather well in fact, it would seem, [in taking the bate].
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Man.. bozo... I'm glad that at least your honest with yourself... ever consider trying to balance out that karmic deficit?
Hehe, I am Bozo, a fisher of men.
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Frodo: You need to seek professional help.
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Some day you may be lucky enough to realize that is the healthy who hear that constantly, more so than the insane.
------------
I find it fascinating that if an alien force could switch all the Palestinian babies born with all the Jewish babies born night after night, in not too many years the children would be killing their parents. How odd that people get so excited about the side on which they think they were born when, in fact, we are all exactly the same. Who you think you are is just an accident and who you really are is deeply hidden, hidden beneath the deeply suppressed but illusionary feeling that you are a cockroach. The reason that insults hurt is that they are already believed. We insult others in the hope that we can make others feel as rotten as we already feel. The Arab Israeli conflict cannot really be solved without understanding this. Always and everywhere the enemy is us, our own self hate. It really pissed me off when I found out.
Damn, there's no one to blame.
Michael
Elite member
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Moonbeam - You've been using the mirror comment for years. If you think that you're me in the mirror in any way, you have a vastly better opinion of yourself than I can even imagine. You have become the lowest form of troll on this BBS and have been doing so for a long time now.
Most of your posts are one or two lines where you don't even discuss the issue in the thread. Instead, you act like the monkey you are and throw feces.
This forum is much better off when you're not posting on it.
Michael
Most of your posts are one or two lines where you don't even discuss the issue in the thread. Instead, you act like the monkey you are and throw feces.
This forum is much better off when you're not posting on it.
Michael
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