As for me. we have this statement, "This new government will NOT work out with one side refusing to recognize israel." As if that statement is a revelation self apparent and universally acceptable to everyone?????????
But even then, what does it mean? On one hand we can say that Israel was made a nation in 1948, but that nationhood was contingent on Israel's pre 1948 promise to grant equal rights to all its indigenous people. And what is now new new new, is what Israel never had the chutzpah to propose in 1948, namely that from now on the Israeli government be a solely Jewish religious State. So if we asked some totally honest and unbiased external observer with no stake in the dispute, any questions about recognizing the State of Israel, any such honest observer could only answer define what Israeli government is to be recognized.
what a load of bullshit. Israel granted, and the Israeli SCOTUS has upheld that the arabs living in israel have full unconditional rights equal to jews. all arabs from 1948 until 1967 borders.
those outside those lines, which you ALWAYS SAY "land israel can never own" are not considered citizens.
there is no double standard for retards like you.
and LOL
Israel is not a solely Jewish religious state, nor is it headed that way. Israel's parlimentary government has seats for the arab citizens.
for a nation thats suppose to be radically jewish, I dont see any problem for muslims or christians to pray where they wish, including on the temple mount.
Then we can look at it from the Palestinian side, they can negotiate with the present moving target Israeli government as a unified or non unified voice, but we still have a long track record by Israel of granting Palestinians no human rights, so why should we ask the Palestinians to recognize their very oppressors in the State of Israel.
yes, absolutely no human rights. go try for human rights in any of the neighboring countries of israel and get back to me.
Compared to those countries, israel seems like freedom. only someone as naive as you can seriously believe the bullshit you are saying.
But for the UN and its family of nations, they can look at Israel as a nation, and also look at three million Palestinians deprived of Human rights by Israel and realize the Palestinian people are a group too large to ignore.
awww boo hoo. the UN has neglected the palestinians for 62years. no one cares about them. they are merely a tool of the arab countries to wage war against israel.
You convieniently skipped right over my posts about the UNRWA vs UNHCR
UNRWA keeps the palestinians refugees instead of resettling them from the wars.
But after kicking the Palestinian Statehood question down the road for 63 years, it looks like 2011 may be UN mandated as the year to address it.
So if the Israelis have treated the Palestinians as subhuman, its seems absurd on the logical face of it to demand as a precondition, to demand the Pals recognize the Israeli state, what ever that moving target Israel State now is or may become, especially since Israel does not recognize the Pals.
WHAT PALESTINIAN STATE???? ISRAEL CANT RECOGNIZE WHAT DOESNT EXIST
Its rather up to the UN and the its family of nations to place the seal of legitimacy with the new Egyptian brokered negotiating team as the Palestinian voice. And at the same time allow Israel to assemble their negotiating team, and let them negotiate among themselves.
THE US AND EU, BOTH LARGE WORLD POWERS ALREADY SAID THE NEW GOVERNMENT MUST ADHERE TO THE QUARTET'S 3 RULES.
The point is and remains, in any final Status agreement the Pals and the Israelis agree too, BOTH SIDES WOULD HAVE TO HAVE MUTUALLY RECOGNIZE EACH OTHER's RIGHT TO EXIST.
that is absolutely true, so why is hamas trying to denounce israelis existence ?
Failing that Israel and to some extent the Pals, have to recognize it MAY revert to an American Civil war type solution. On one hand the Southern faction in that war reveled in the SCOTUS statement, that a black man had no rights a white man was bound to respect. But if the International community does what Northerner in the US did to the South, Then Israel may discover Palestinians have rights Israelis are bound to respect. But instead of doing it with total violence, an economic blockade on a moral basis would be the bloodless away to do it.
what are you saying here? the Israeli SCOTUS already upholds arab citizen's rights.
why should they have to uphold rights of those in a palestinian state?
Then we have the TLC statement, namely, "The problem is that, despite all of their rhetoric, it's become pretty clear that Palestinians don't actually want a State of Palestine. They know that if they did they'd actually have to be responsible for their actions, and answer for those actions to other nations as a national entity on the world stage. I wouldn't give Palestine 2 years before they did something stupid that Israel could declare as an act of war and go in and obliterate their ass."
Which is exactly the white man's burden argument always repeated. GB said it about the USA until 1814, England said its almost everywhere as it one by one lost it colonies,
and so for that matter did France and Spain. And now Israel uses the same bullshit over again.
israel has been responsible for its actions since 1948. have the palestinians? or would they rather blame others for their own bullshit
Nearest example: Goldstone report.
Israel and hamas both had fingers pointed at each other.
Israel acted, it court martialed and even imprisoned few of the cases it found responsible.
Israel has actively tried to change it strategy to avoid civilians at all costs.
what has hamas done? Not a damn thing.
The Palestinians badly want their own State, even the IMF has said they have built the institutions, and its absurd of its face to have the Israelis say what the Pals want.
actions speak louder than words. this new government is bad news for the palestinians
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