Half-life 2 Performance: Breaking news

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Schadenfroh

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anand lives:Q

You'll see my own numbers tomorrow night at midnight, but we've been given the go ahead to reveal a bit of information about Half-Life 2. I'll keep it brief and to the point and will explain it in greater detail tomorrow night:

- Valve is pissed at all of the benchmarking "optimizations" they've seen in the hardware community;
- Half-Life 2 has a special NV3x codepath that was necessary to make NVIDIA's architecture perform reasonably under the game;
- Valve recommends running geforce fx 5200 and 5600 cards in dx8 mode in order to get playable frame rates.
- even with the special NV3x codepath, ATI is the clear performance leader under Half-Life 2 with the Radeon 9800 Pro hitting around 60 fps at 10x7. The 5900 ultra is noticeably slower with the special codepath and is horrendously slower under the default dx9 codepath;
- the Radeon 9600 Pro performs very well - it is a good competitor of the 5900 ultra;
- ATI didn't need these special optimizations to perform well and Valve insists that they have not optimized the game specifically for any vendor.

There you have it folks, there's much more coming tomorrow.
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Rage187

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"Valve insists that they have not optimized the game specifically for any vendor."


cough*** BULLSHIT***cough


The whole part about them "insisting" just shows they are guilty of it.




They are a co-advertiser; they are even packaging their merchandise in the SAME bundle as a sales promotion. Yeah, no optimizations happened there ;) ;)
 
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modedepe

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- Valve recommends running geforce fx 5200 and 5600 cards in dx8 mode in order to get playable frame rates.
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That doesn't surprise me, but it makes me pitty everyone who bought one of those cards for dx9, but..

- the Radeon 9600 Pro performs very well - it is a good competitor of the 5900 ultra
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LOL holy sh!t?
 
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Alkali

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I've seen plenty of 'The Way its Meant to Be Played' banners in my time, and I don't like it. A game shouldnt be released to favor one manufacturer or another. If Ati do the same then fine, we can assume they have worked with valve to at least a marketing degree, but otherwise, wait and see. Proof is in the pudding people.

Things are looking good for ATi right now, if this story is true, there will be a very large swing to ATi in the retail graphics market. At least then we will have a proper level playing field between the 2 big guns. Until now nVidia has always been the bigger in market share, maybe not in 1 years time. I wonder when nVidia are going to sort themselves out with a new line of cards - these have turned out to be both a political and physical disaster (compared to the GeForce 1,2,3,4 lines).
 
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ATI is the clear performance leader under Half-Life 2 with the Radeon 9800 Pro hitting around 60 fps at 10x7
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Yikes that sucks. "winner" looks like "less of a loser" to me:Q
 
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modedepe

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Originally posted by: rbV5
ATI is the clear performance leader under Half-Life 2 with the Radeon 9800 Pro hitting around 60 fps at 10x7
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Yikes that sucks. "winner" looks like "less of a loser" to me:Q
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Yeah that was surprising too. So much for it running on gf2's or tnt2's or whatever people were saying. It looks like people will have to shell out a good amount of money to get any decent performance.
 
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NYHoustonman

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Hey, to me 1280x1024 @ 40 fps would be good anyway, but also note that it seems that this was with the Radeon running the "special" FX codepath, rather than the default codepath.
 
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First

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And that's exactly why I just built myself a 3000+ nForce2 9800 Pro system. :)
 
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jim1976

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I'm new to these forums and i have great respect for the site and all the people who are part of it.
But as far as concerns this fight for losers between Nvidia and Ati i have to say this.
ITS OUR MONEY AND ALL THE TIME WE FIGHT FOR WHOSE THE BEST THEY LAUGH AT US cauz we give them the right to do so.
Think about all these people who love their pc's and don't afford to upgrade in so little time.
And we fight for some FPS and AA/AF levels and who's made the best score in Benchies and sh... like that.
WAKE UP PPL!!! THEY OWE TO MAKE BETTER THINGZ FOR US CAUZ WE MAKE THEM WHAT THEY ARE!!! MY GOD!
PEACE PPL PEACE:disgust:
 
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JSSheridan

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Personally, I think many of the forum users would like to see how it performs on a nVidia GF3 and GF4 TI, and an ATI 8500 and 9000. I also am curious about what Valve provided you with. Did they let you test an unoptimized beta, a release candidate build, or the final release version 1.0? Can you comment on either of these Evan or Anand, if you are reading this?
 
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Genx87

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This is interesting, a game company with an Agenda. Looks like Valve has a possible problem on thier hands.

If the top end card is getting 60 FPS at 1024X768 and all the rest are horrible then who is going to buy the game?!?!?!?!?!?

I just got a 5900 and no way in hell am I going to be buying a new card to play a 60 dollar game. And there are lots of people out there who are in the same boat.
Will be interesting to see what happens here.

 
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NYHoustonman

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even with the special NV3x codepath, ATI is the clear performance leader under Half-Life 2 with the Radeon 9800 Pro hitting around 60 fps at 10x7. The 5900 ultra is noticeably slower with the special codepath and is horrendously slower under the default dx9 codepath;
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To me, that means that this example was using the NV3x codepath...Whether this raises or lowers that 60 fps I don't know, but they didn't mention a thing about the default DX9 codepath benchmark results.
 
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Corporate Thug

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Originally posted by: Genx87
This is interesting, a game company with an Agenda. Looks like Valve has a possible problem on thier hands.

If the top end card is getting 60 FPS at 1024X768 and all the rest are horrible then who is going to buy the game?!?!?!?!?!?

I just got a 5900 and no way in hell am I going to be buying a new card to play a 60 dollar game. And there are lots of people out there who are in the same boat.
Will be interesting to see what happens here.
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just wait and see HL2 break all sorts of sales records. i mean i have seen a million threads here alone talking how "how is my video card for HL2" or "how does this system look for HL2". i dont think valve will have any problem selling this sucker. besides, whats wrong with 60 FPS?
 
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peter7921

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Originally posted by: NavJitsU4
nVidia should've never kept those "jelly doughnut eating" 3dfx engineers.
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Amen!! All ex-3DFX engineers should be lobotomized and all there work destroyed before it corrupts another company. Every thing about the 5800 and 5900 stinks like 3DFX.

Damn you 3DFX!!!!!!
 
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INemtsev

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Firsible....lots of people on this forum...cough way too much...whats up with that....
Secondly....we all know the special nvidia cg_coding was a failure....
 
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