Half-life 2 Performance: Breaking news

[stardust]

time for ramsinks... overclocking time :evil: go 75fps go!!

 

[JackBurton]

This is my take on it. Value NEEDED to write extra code for the DX9 nVidia cards because they were performing so badly. They are not going to make a game JUST for ATi customers, that would be insane. So they had to get nVidia somewhat close to par, and they just added some extra code to make those cards somewhat playable. That is what sounds like what happened.

 

[gururu]

Now microsoft is saying that HL2 is the premiere employment of DX9 game coding. ohh how this story is brewing so badly for nv.

Ve3D

 

[NYHoustonman]

Not sure if you guys have seen, but Gamers Depot has some actual benchmarks. I can't wait until tomorrow 🙂...

 

[Crapgame]

Yea, I'm in a big hurry to have 'Steam' running in the backround, HL2 is looking like it's going to fall flat on it's face.

Valve is pissed at all of the benchmarking "optimizations" they've seen in the hardware community

I thought they were making games for peoples enjoyment, if they want to get involved in some sort of video struggle for power they can suck an egg, I may install Kazaa Lite just to download this game out of spite.

 

[Corporate Thug]

Originally posted by: Crapgame
Yea, I'm in a big hurry to have 'Steam' running in the backround, HL2 is looking like it's going to fall flat on it's face.

Valve is pissed at all of the benchmarking "optimizations" they've seen in the hardware community

I thought they were making games for peoples enjoyment, if they want to get involved in some sort of video struggle for power they can suck an egg, I may install Kazaa Lite just to download this game out of spite.

LOL, i think you are part of a select few who think HL2 will fail. in reality, it is a highly anticipated game and will prolly sell very well. dont be bitter at valve cuz nvidia cant make a proper card

 

[Crapgame]

Well I havent seen any part of it myself but I heard it looks like butt compaired to Doom3.

 

[oldfart]

I downloaded the big E3 movie. It looks like a GREAT game. It will be the biggest thing since the original Half-Life, which was ground breaking in so many ways.

The original HL had great GAMEPLAY, as well as great graphics for its day. You can have a great looking game that is not worth playing <cough> Unreal 2 <cough>.

From what I have seen of the game so far, (E3 movie), a repeat of great gameplay and cutting edge graphics on the HL sequal will make this THE game to own this year.

 

[Crapgame]

Dont tell anyone but I'm just trolling the troll thread of the troll story on the front page. 😀 Never played HL and have no intrest in HL2. 😛

 

[NYHoustonman]

Originally posted by: Crapgame
Dont tell anyone but I'm just trolling the troll thread of the troll story on the front page. 😀 Never played HL and have no intrest in HL2. 😛

:Q


Surely you are not a gamer, then?

 

[Crapgame]

There are many types of gamers and many types of games, been on flightsims and online games since Airwarrior was released and cost 100$ of dollars to play. I spend most of my time either in FS2k4 or WWIIOL, every shooter I've bought since Unreal (original vers) has been played beaten and shelved. I just cant get pumped up for 60$ to play for four days anymore?

 

[jiffylube1024]

Originally posted by: Genx87
This is interesting, a game company with an Agenda. Looks like Valve has a possible problem on thier hands.

If the top end card is getting 60 FPS at 1024X768 and all the rest are horrible then who is going to buy the game?!?!?!?!?!?

I just got a 5900 and no way in hell am I going to be buying a new card to play a 60 dollar game. And there are lots of people out there who are in the same boat.
Will be interesting to see what happens here.

MANY games have been released that have had sub-par performance on current hardware. It's called pushing the envelope, and it has done very well for the video card industry in the past. I see no "agenda" here. Valve stated the problem over and over again (slow Pixel Shaders on NV3x hardware).


Here are just a few of the many examples:

-Quake ran decently on the Voodoo cards, but didn't really fly until the Voodoo2 (and even better - Voodoo2 SLI), with it's massive specs came into existance.

-Unreal had pretty "unreal" requirements at the time of launch. It ran decently on the Voodoo2 and pretty well on the Voodoo 3 cards, but again it ran so much faster with later hardware.

-I believe the same was with Quake 3. It took the brute force of the awesome GeForce 2 to really kick that game up into sizzling framerates.

-Giants: Citizen Kabuto needed top-notch hardware to run it properly, with full bump-mapping on at high framerates.

-Unreal 2 had some slow spots, even on Radeon 9700's.

Other games such as Aquanox, which was actually a pretty decent game, ran terribly on launch hardware.

You can see, there's a pretty general (and obvious) tendency of games needing top-notch PC hardware to run. Do you think Doom3 will fly on GeForce DDR cards when it's released? 1024 resolution with full DX9 effects on? I don't think so!

 

[Vonkhan]

no way in hell am I going to be buying a new card to play a 60 dollar game

hey ... i just made a game called "nVIDIOTS suck", just 1 copy ... collector's edition ... priced at $400 ... buy it!!! That way u can play a $400 on a $400 video card if it makes u feel better 😀






sounds like all the nVIDIOTS are getting a bad case of sour grapes :evil:

 

[NYHoustonman]

Good news for NVidia users:

Here.

This is NVIDIA's Official statement: "The Optimiziations for Half-Life 2 shaders are in the 50 series of drivers which we made available to reviewers on Monday [Sept. 8, 2003]. Any Half-Life 2 comparison based on the 45 series driver are invalid. NVIDIA 50 series of drivers will be available well before the release of Half-Life 2".

This better not turn into what it looks like it's on path to...


EDIT-And, of course, I, as an ATI user, can't wait for Cat3.8 🙂...I hope it improves this (although I am not that bad off as it is).

 

[nRollo]

hey Rollo I like to see your face now sucker

Why do you want to see my face now, Cesar? To see me smiling because my Sapphire 9800 Pro retail is faster than your 9500 Pro at every game on the planet?

BTW- you are aware that 5900 owners have a much faster card than you on every single game currently available aren't you Cesar? It's not like you made some triumphantly wise buy. 9500 Pros are good cards, but not really what I'd go thumbing my nose at people with?

 

[nRollo]

sounds like all the nVIDIOTS are getting a bad case of sour grapes

Sounds like FanATIcs still have the same case of "I'll pimp ATI like my kid's life depends on it, where's a Radeon to spank on".
Jesus. Some prelim benchmarks on one game and everyones already thrown out the 8,365,294 games nVidia runs perfectly fine.

 

[Vonkhan]

one game

THE ONE game 😀

nVIDIVIA got owned on THE ONE that really mattered, even from a business POV for the upcoming season

I really dont care about Serious Sam or any of his cousins 😉 HL2 baby!

 

[oldfart]

It will be the biggest game that has been out for some time. The other thing I have seen from other threads and benches on the net, is low performance in DX9 games, not just HL2. It does seem the 5x00 cards have DX9 performance issues. As more DX9 games hit the shelves, this is something to consider.

 

[DefRef]

Oh, why am I not surprised the ATI Fanboys are just crapping themselves with glee?

Some observations:

• There's been a lot of hinkiness with regards HL2 and the Big Two video card companys. Only ATI can do AA. Whoops, all cards can now do it. Only ATI runs it fast...." Kinda makes you wonder what they next day's news will be.
• Even so, Nvidia's got some 'splaining to do and DAMN SOON!
• 3dfx does seem to have cursed them from the grave, doesn't it? Remember when all the 3dfx Zombies, who are now ATI Fanboys, said that Nvidia would BENEFIT from all the wonderful IP they bought up? Yeah, right....ever since, they've blown launch dates and seemed to be a day late and a dollar short with the products after a 4-5 year dynasty.
• I think Brian Burke should be burned as the witch he is. This is his fault!!!:|
• Final note to the fanboys - If the sole source of your manhood is your ATI video card, you're welcome to it. The way you constantly beat off about your 9x00 cards makes me hope you've got a good fistful of lotion while you troll every thread you post to.

It's like those Geico commercials, except if someone posts, "I took a walk on the beach with my girlfriend and the moon was full and breezes soft and when we got to the lighthouse, I proposed and she said YES!!!", some Fanboy will immediately reply, "That's not as cool as my Radeon 9800 Pro is!! It doubled my schlong to a full 1-3/4 inches long!!! Suck on it, Nvidiots!!!!"

As you were...

 

[nRollo]

nVIDIVIA got owned on THE ONE that really mattered, even from a business POV for the upcoming season

I really dont care about Serious Sam or any of his cousins HL2 baby!

LOL, literally.

"Ooohh HL2! It's gonna be cool! <spank spank spank> It's gonna be sooo much fun! <spank spank spank> Ohhhhhh Freeman is back, bay-bee! <spank spank spank spank spank spank spank spank spank spank> moan.......

As far as nVidia getting owned where it matters, I guess that depends on your perspective. FPS games are one genre, there are many others.

 

[5150Joker]

Funny, I recall telling people like Rollo and some nVidiots that the FX line would perform like crap in HL2 and I was called an "ATi employee" for it. Well there you go, proof of exactly what I was saying all along. If you want a new card, get a 9600 pro, it beats a twice as expensive 5900 ultra..lol!

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: Rage187
"Valve insists that they have not optimized the game specifically for any vendor."


cough*** BULLSHIT***cough


The whole part about them "insisting" just shows they are guilty of it.




They are a co-advertiser; they are even packaging their merchandise in the SAME bundle as a sales promotion. Yeah, no optimizations happened there 😉 😉

Seems to me they optimized for nVidia so its crap hardware could work fast enough for this game! So yes, it is BS, they did optimize but not for ATi.

 

[nRollo]

Final note to the fanboys - If the sole source of your manhood is your ATI video card, you're welcome to it. The way you constantly beat off about your 9x00 cards makes me hope you've got a good fistful of lotion while you troll every thread you post to.

You da man, I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Vonkhan]

I guess that depends on your perspective. FPS games are one genre, there are many others.

of course there are ... but u dont see C&C Generals, Sims or EverQuest being used to bench video cards, do u now?


😀 :beer:

 

[nRollo]

If you want a new card, get a 9600 pro, it beats a twice as expensive 5900 ultra..lol!

A. The game isn't out yet.
B. You are an ATI employee from what I can tell
C. It's pretty amazing what a charge guys like you get out of having a video card that runs games faster than someone elses. For Christ's sake, it's not like you're the proud owner of a $250,000 Italian sports car. They're just video cards, most people can afford to buy any one they want. Woo hoo. You be livin' large! Got you a $350 video card!