[guru3d] TitanZ review

[3DVagabond]

If it was priced @ or under $2000 I would buy the Titan Z. In no way do I believe it is worth $3000, but yes, for $400 or $500 more (than the 295X2) it would be worth it for me. But I would be slapping an EK full card water block on it right away and letting it run wild. I am very interested in seeing a review of a water cooled Z, maybe the EVGA hydrocopper, to see what the speeds can be oc'd to. The 295X2 is a great piece of engineering, and AMD made a brilliant move in incorporating an AIO water cooling solution to hit high speeds with their card. Serious props to them. And I do believe its fair to say that the 295X2 will beat the Z in most scenarios, though the Z is right there with them. The price is what is the issue for me, and I believe for most others out there. I also think that with a matching water cooling solution, the Z will be able to outpace the 295X2 by a decent amount, say 10%. Obviously this is speculation. But I do believe that if a water cooled Z can beat the 295X2 by 10%, it would be worth an extra $500, making it a $2000 dollar card, the extra merely for having the fastest card available (yes, under a custom water cooler, but as the 295X2 is already under water, they won't see the gains that a water cooled Z will)

No offense, you can obviously spend your money how you like, but @ $2K the Titan-Z is still ridiculous and actually would be contemptuous of it's real value. Buy 2x780's or 2x290's and O/C them for less than $1K.

Right now you can get the Sapphire 290 Tri-X for $369.99 shipped. $740 for 2. The actual gaming experience would be identical.

 

[Grooveriding]

Just when I think I see everything on the internet a "tech site" surprises me with a TitanZ faster than 780Ti SLI.

Yeah I stopped reading when I saw that.

 

[3DVagabond]

Yeah I stopped reading when I saw that.

Sure you don't want to upgrade? /sarc.

 

[USER8000]

The 295X2 was tested with 14.4 drivers in the Hardware Canucks review. Every other 295X2 review I have seen used the 14.6 drivers,which were launched around the same time as the card.

 

[bakalu]

The 295X2 was tested with 14.4 drivers in the Hardware Canucks review. Every other 295X2 review I have seen used the 14.6 drivers,which were launched around the same time as the card.

Sorry my english

No You're wrong. Sweclockers's review also use 14.4 driver. 295X2 still win. In sweclockers's Review , Core clock TITAN Z throttles to 706 mhz and that's the problem.
http://www.sweclockers.com/recension/18944-nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan-z/3#pagehead

In Hardware Canucks's review clocks of TITAN Z is between 980MHz and 993MHz. So we can understand how TITAN Z win 295X2.

Hardware Canucks runs ~1 minute benches. You can't take anything from them for real world use. I wish [H] would get their hands on one. Also, I'm not sure when the other cards in the review were benched but you see the exact same numbers for them in older reviews. According to HWCanucks the Powercolor Devil 13 290X dual core is faster as well than the old 295X2 numbers they keep reusing.

No you're wrong. I asked SKYMTL of Hardware Canucks. And he said

Room temperature during the extended benchmark runs was ~24C. I gamed on it of quite a few hours and never saw it throttle that badly. I've actually never seen such a linear output from a modern GPU. Typically PowerTune and NVIDIA's Boost algorithms fluctuate clock speeds several times a minute when striving to find an optimal TDP.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...itan-z-performance-review-comment-thread.html

 

[Silverforce11]

So, cherry picked sample from NV then? Other sites got retail cards and their clock-speed do fluctuate a lot.

Cue the faux rage against cherry samples? Hmm, what, silence? Maybe we have had enough after the reference R290/X fiasco?...

Meh, bring on next-gen stuff.

 

[3DVagabond]

Sorry my english
No you're wrong. I asked SKYMTL of Hardware Canucks. And he said

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...itan-z-performance-review-comment-thread.html

That doesn't change the length of the benches, so no I'm not wrong. Also his answer said, "I gamed on it of quite a few hours and never saw it throttle that badly." Meaning he never saw it do 706MHz, like Sweclockers which you were refering it to. Which is fine, they likely didn't use exactly the same conditions.

Then he continues ans says, "I've actually never seen such a linear output from a modern GPU."

Which disagrees with the results from his own review when directly compared to the 295x2. You almost need a magnifying glass to be able to tell the 295x2 is dual GPU's in that graph and it doesn't change at all from beginning to end. Where the Titan-Z has a definite saw tooth pattern to it's graph.

 

[KaRLiToS]

That doesn't change the length of the benches, so no I'm not wrong. Also his answer said, "I gamed on it of quite a few hours and never saw it throttle that badly." Meaning he never saw it do 706MHz, like Sweclockers which you were refering it to. Which is fine, they likely didn't use exactly the same conditions.

Then he continues ans says, "I've actually never seen such a linear output from a modern GPU."

Which disagrees with the results from his own review when directly compared to the 295x2. You almost need a magnifying glass to be able to tell the 295x2 is dual GPU's in that graph and it doesn't change at all from beginning to end. Where the Titan-Z has a definite saw tooth pattern to it's graph.

I have to agree. Smells very fishy.

 

[dougp]

I just won a Titan Z, so I'm interested reading through the reviews. I'm not even going to bother running it on air, so I'm waiting on the damned expensive waterblock to come in (compared to other GPU waterblocks.) Guess I can plan to run at a high clock speed on it and beat the 295x2, no?

 

[Rvenger]

Grats to you on winning a TitanZ. I don't see why you can't at least equal the performance of the 295x2. If you watercool you should be able to get good clocks out of it.

 

[dougp]

Grats to you on winning a TitanZ. I don't see why you can't at least equal the performance of the 295x2. If you watercool you should be able to get good clocks out of it.

Thanks, that's my assumption. I don't expect it to be equal to my 780 SC temps, but I can't imagine it getting too hot. I figure it should run around 1050-1100 mhz easily.

And to all the people who are knocking those who actually buy these - maybe they're doing so for G-Sync. :whiste:

 

[RussianSensation]

Won Titan Z?

1) Sell it ASAP and pick up 2x EVGA Classy/KINGPIN 780Ti and smoke it.
2) When 880 comes out, sell the 780s, pick up 2x 880s and smoke the Titan Z again.

Titan Z for gaming is taking $3,000 and washing it down the toilet. You can't even get bragging rights for running it.

 

[RussianSensation]

And to all the people who are knocking those who actually buy these - maybe they're doing so for G-Sync. :whiste:

Nope. 3 Titan Blacks or 3 EVGA Classified 780Tis will always make sure the Titan Z is a overpriced turd for gaming with GSync.

 

[dougp]

Guess I should point out that I run a mITX setup ... so, your options are completely invalid for me.

 

[SinOfLiberty]

Slap a WC block on it and OC it. Then Z will be able t0 outperform 2x 780Tis.

 

[3DVagabond]

And to all the people who are knocking those who actually buy these - maybe they're doing so for G-Sync. :whiste:

First, congratulations. :thumbsup:

You can get Gsync at higher performance levels than Titan-Z for w-a-y less than $3K, so anyone buying Titan-Z for Gsync is wasting money.

 

[dougp]

First, congratulations. :thumbsup:

You can get Gsync at higher performance levels than Titan-Z for w-a-y less than $3K, so anyone buying Titan-Z for Gsync is wasting money.

Sorry, I should have clarified my comment - I meant for single GPU solutions, and comparing to the AMD solution.

Also, some more clarification - I can't sell this card. I won't get a lot for it, and it has no warranty as it's a gift from nVidia instead of eVGA.

 

[n0x1ous]

Sorry, I should have clarified my comment - I meant for single GPU solutions, and comparing to the AMD solution.

Also, some more clarification - I can't sell this card. I won't get a lot for it, and it has no warranty as it's a gift from nVidia instead of eVGA.

Are you the guy who wont it at Quakecon PC PER Hardware workshop?

 

[dougp]

Are you the guy who wont it at Quakecon PC PER Hardware workshop?

Guess you were there as well?

 

[n0x1ous]

Guess you were there as well?

I wish! I dont live anywhere near Texas - I watched the youtube stream they posted afterwards.

 

[Grooveriding]

Titanz is not really an ideal card for a SFF PC because of the inadequate stock cooling with the open air cooling design which will leave it throttling and roasting the interior of a small case. With watercooling though you should be able to avoid the throttling.

The only time a titanz makes sense, when it's free!

 

[dougp]

I wish! I dont live anywhere near Texas - I watched the youtube stream they posted afterwards.

Cool, but yeah, that was me! Kept hoping they'd throw in a Z97 board ...

 

[dougp]

Minor update, have the Z installed and watercooling going - temps don't get very high, hit 49C running 3DMark with a 200Mhz overclock.

 

[Erenhardt]

Going to necro this thread.
Did anyone bought TitanZ?
Here is a news:
http://www.kitguru.net/components/g...h-price-of-geforce-gtx-titan-z-for-pc-makers/

Nvidia Corp. has quietly began to provide subsidies to system builders who sell gaming personal computers with its GeForce GTX Titan Z graphics card inside.

Nvidia is quieter about this card than the actual card itself!

The recommended price of the Titan Z in the country is 27000 SEK with taxes ($3877, £2336), but Nvidia can slash 10000 SEK ($1436, £865)

$1500 off! 40% less! How is that for the discount?! If anyone paid the MSRP for this card, I'm not even sorry for you

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