Gikaseixas
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It's called double standards LOL
But on a serious note, we can now agree that the cooling solution is one of the most important components on a graphics card.
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It's called double standards LOL
But on a serious note, we can now agree that the cooling solution is one of the most important components on a graphics card.
The top cards are drawing so much power is why. Result of being stuck on one mode for so long and trying to use compute oriented cards for gaming. From both companies.
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kinda like the 290/780 in reverse,
its kinda funny! i actually have to give you credit
http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35698997&postcount=152
that kind of consistency across hardware vendors has no place on anandtech!
The inconsistencies in here are staggering. Unfortunately some switch the goalposts every generation depending on their favorite brands strengths.
Sorry my english
hardwarecanucks review, TITAN Z wins R9295 X2 and 290X CF
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...869-nvidia-titan-z-performance-review-13.html
Which review, can we believe ?
Both. It depends what case ventilation/room temperature and power target for both cards are used. Obviously the 295X has an advantage due to its water cooling, allowing it to maintain the highest clocks. If Titan Z's power/temp target is raised, it should perform very similarly to the 295X.
It also depends on the selection of games.
Too many variables nowadays to call one or the other a clear winner from just one review
It also depends on the selection of games.
Too many variables nowadays to call one or the other a clear winner from just one review
Sorry my english
hardwarecanucks review, TITAN Z wins R9295 X2 and 290X CF
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...869-nvidia-titan-z-performance-review-13.html
Which review, can we believe ?
Hardware Canucks runs ~1 minute benches. You can't take anything from them for real world use. I wish [H] would get their hands on one. Also, I'm not sure when the other cards in the review were benched but you see the exact same numbers for them in older reviews. According to HWCanucks the Powercolor Devil 13 290X dual core is faster as well than the old 295X2 numbers they keep reusing.
Hardwarecanucks was one of the (if not the very first) first sites in the English speaking world that preheated cards (and they still do). So their results are perfectly valid.
Depends on games tested, you can get 780 SLI faster than R295X2 too.
Also:
TitanZ is faster than 780ti SLI. Sure.. yeah, whatever. NOT CANNED & RIGGED at all there.
If you believe that TitanZ is faster than 780ti SLI, then you can believe HardwareCannucks review.
Also:
TitanZ is faster than 780ti SLI. Sure.. yeah, whatever. NOT CANNED & RIGGED at all there.
If you believe that TitanZ is faster than 780ti SLI, then you can believe HardwareCannucks review.
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Sorry my english
Sweclockers review TITAN Z throttles to 706 mhz after prolonged gaming sessions. So TITAN Z lose 295X2
But HardwareCannucks review clocks (TITAN Z) between 980MHz and 993MHz without any more upwards movement as fan speeds increase, so TITAN Z wins 295X2.
I want to know. Why ? Two review report 2 result different about core clock TITAN Z ?
And Which review is more reliable ?
3 vs 6GB could easily be a reason for that at 4K...
still, hardwarecanucks shows the Titan Z as 2% faster than the 295X2 at 4K, game selection will dictate the winner overall... so yes... nothing surprising... just how bad TitanZ is when you consider it's 2x the price.
Nope, it's not that simple as 3GB vs 6GB because the games they tested do not need more than 3GB. Only Watch Dog would struggle.
It's their boost clocks, TitanZ hits 1058mhz out of the box but throttles badly after a few minutes.
It looks like HardwareC did a clockspeed analysis but failed to run the benches "pre-warmed", looks like a short canned bench to best showcase Titan Z to be honest, that would explain it beating 780ti SLI.
Here's VRAM out of the equation: 1440p FXAA
Note how close (and it beats 780ti in overall including min fps) to 780ti SLI. Definitely a case of best case scenario Titan Z 1058mhz boost, because reference 780ti typically only boost to 1018mhz. Thats why it puts out such good scores. Once it throttles back, game over.
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Today I learned 898 seconds is ~1 minute...
Look at the benches before you roll your eyes.
The length of the bench is on the bottom.
Sorry, I was too busy rolling my eyes at the posts in this thread that I got too dizzy and missed the link to the review.
Looking at the clocks over time, the TitanZ stabilized at it's long-term clockspeed well before 1 minute.
But let's just jump to conclusions and say the review is "manipulated" because it doesn't line up with what you hoped would happen...
KaRLiToS
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Would you buy the Titan Z if it was priced 2000$ Or you would prefer 2 x GTX 780ti?
I know you would never buy that crap. I don't want a card that stabilized at 750 mhz after a minute.
You are speaking like we are enjoying Nvidia Titan Z failures. It's not the case, we are mad because they are laughing at us with that stupid card and its stupid price.
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KaRLiToS
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How does this pertain to the discussion?
Because you are defending a card that you know that deep inside you, you also think that card is a rip-off.
KaRLiToS
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I never said HWC manipulated anything. You really do need to work on what's being shown and said if you are going to comment so strongly. I simply stated that 1min. canned benches don't represent real world performance. That's not news to anyone who's been paying attention to current high end hardware. For some reason though people continually need it pointed out.
It has nothing to do with what I "hoped" would happen. Look at other reviews of GK110 SLI compared to Hawaii Crossfire, especially at hires, and it's obvious this is an outlier. You can believe it if you want to.
I'm curious how it ends up faster than 2x 780 ti, though. Do you find that credible?
Gikaseixas
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If it was priced @ or under $2000 I would buy the Titan Z. In no way do I believe it is worth $3000, but yes, for $400 or $500 more (than the 295X2) it would be worth it for me. But I would be slapping an EK full card water block on it right away and letting it run wild. I am very interested in seeing a review of a water cooled Z, maybe the EVGA hydrocopper, to see what the speeds can be oc'd to. The 295X2 is a great piece of engineering, and AMD made a brilliant move in incorporating an AIO water cooling solution to hit high speeds with their card. Serious props to them. And I do believe its fair to say that the 295X2 will beat the Z in most scenarios, though the Z is right there with them. The price is what is the issue for me, and I believe for most others out there. I also think that with a matching water cooling solution, the Z will be able to outpace the 295X2 by a decent amount, say 10%. Obviously this is speculation. But I do believe that if a water cooled Z can beat the 295X2 by 10%, it would be worth an extra $500, making it a $2000 dollar card, the extra merely for having the fastest card available (yes, under a custom water cooler, but as the 295X2 is already under water, they won't see the gains that a water cooled Z will)
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