Gun nuts should go ape over Syrian rebels find.

[StrangerGuy]

is it impossible for Muslims to go 5 minuets without saying Allah Akbar? the vid is 29 seconds long and its said 4 times...

It's their way of garnering sympathy for their plight by acting like total religious nutjobs. Although that probably only works for their own deluded kind and those foreign self-hating lefties.

 

[BladeVenom]

im inclined to believe that these weapons are not from WWII Nazi Germany but are Repos.

Since, as far as I know, no other country mass produced the StG44 for their military, the only reproductions would be on a small scale for collectors. I'd guess they are real.

 

[Baptismbyfire]

Agreed , If germany had won the war it would be interesting to see if the world would be a better place today. It couldn't be much worse. I seen a commercial the other dat asking for donations for holcust victems . Man there can't be many there all in their 80s and 90s . What this was a genecide according to the propaganda. So there just cann't be that many unless it was lies . To establish a jewish state that had already been arranged between the Britts and De Rothschild befor wwI. I know giving the jews the holy city was a massive mistake that MAYBE leads to world destruction . Not long to find out time.

Even though I don't agree with much of what he says, it is true that the holocaust victims are being victimized once again by some of the organizations who collect money in their name. I don't have the time to look it up right now (and it's a credible source - not some neo-Nazi source), but most of the money collected by those international Jewish organizations never go to the victims themselves, but are used more to grease the palms of politicians to further private interests. Much of the violence in the Middle East today is carried out in the name of the victims of the Holocaust, when Holocaust victims do not want to see any kind of revenge or violence carried out in their name. Also, these same organizations rarely bring light to the fact that it wasn't just the Jews who were gassed, but also many many many other minority groups and other "social deviants", such as homosexuals.

 

[Sho'Nuff]

WWII was a manpower issue, not a gun issue. Germany stretched itself too thin with Barbarossa.

Tell that to the russian army.

 

[Auric]

WWII was a manpower issue, not a gun issue. Germany stretched itself too thin with Barbarossa.

Nein, it was a natural resources and timing issue. Babs was delayed due to the British invasion of Greece, thus foiling timely capture of Stalingrad and Baku. Likewise, on t'other side o' the planet 'twas asymmetrical industrial output and access to oil which doomed Nippon. Again, in both cases the gambit was a quick succession of victories before the enemy could mobilize.

those probably arent genuine era stg44. most likely reproductions. back in the 80's when the afghans were fighting the russians, there was a huge homegrown gun industry that made weapons and ammo. they could and did reproduce all kinds of makes and models including ww2 era arms. pretty impressive given they had no cad/cam and only primitive milling and basic die stamping.

Err, the reason such weapons could be so easily and cheaply produced originally was stamping and forgiving tolerances? This was a copy of a Russian assault rifle but Germany also produced a stamped sub-machine gun. The Kalashnikov variants are commonly serviced by small workshops so complete manufacturing is a small step.

If Germany held out longer, Berlin might have gotten nuked instead of Japan. Maybe they would have held the Russians off longer and let the western front collapse.

Yeah, no. In Europe it eventually became a desperate tribal contest for home turf whereas in Asia it was always for colonies (subjugation and ownership of third-parties). But, since there was nothing to reclaim in Nippon, nor were there any "familial" links, shall we say, it was okay to demolish it. The isolation of the island campaigns, general racism, and notion of revenge resulted in brutality that was unmatched in Europe. Also so-called nuking caused less destruction than fire-bombing.

 

[Pocatello]

Germany mass-produced these before WWII ended, the Soviet Union and other European countries hoarded thousands of these rifles. Some were sold to countries in the Middle East like Syria.

 

[StrangerGuy]

I was kinda wondering why ARs didn't appear earlier until the STG44 when it should be pretty obvious at that time that the average soldier ain't going to hit anything more than 300 meters with iron sights no matter how far the bullet can actually go.

 

[qliveur]

This was a copy of a Russian assault rifle

Pretty sure this is wrong.

 

[Baptismbyfire]

I was kinda wondering why ARs didn't appear earlier until the STG44 when it should be pretty obvious at that time that the average soldier ain't going to hit anything more than 300 meters with iron sights no matter how far the bullet can actually go.

Maybe I misunderstood your post, but STG 44 was more designed to bridge the gap between a rifle and submachine gun in terms of firepower and range, since most fighting took place within the 200m range, and not over 300m. Since German infantry doctrine was centered around the machine gun, and not the rifleman (like the US), the German soldiers lacked firepower till the submachine guns and the STG 44 came rolling out.

 

[Auric]

Pretty sure this is wrong.

Yeah, if anything it was prolly the other way 'round.

 

[Triumph]

Err, the reason such weapons could be so easily and cheaply produced originally was stamping and forgiving tolerances? This was a copy of a Russian assault rifle but Germany also produced a stamped sub-machine gun. The Kalashnikov variants are commonly serviced by small workshops so complete manufacturing is a small step.

the kalashnikov came around after the war.

 

[irishScott]

Yeah, if anything it was prolly the other way 'round.

It was. It's also apparently likely that theses are original STG44s, captured by the Soviets on their way to Berlin and later sold when they were replaced by AK variants.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44

Generally accepted as the world's first assault rifle, the StG44's effect on post-war arms design was wide-ranging, as evidenced by Mikhail Kalashnikov's AK-47, and later in the U.S. M16 and its variants. The Soviet Union was quick to adopt the assault rifle concept. The AK-47 used a similar-sized intermediate round and followed the design concept, but was mechanically very different.[16]

As for the Sturmgewehr itself, it remained in use with the East German Nationale Volksarmee with the designation MPi.44 until it was eventually replaced with variants of the AK-47 assault rifle. The Volkspolizei used it until approximately 1962 when it was replaced by the PPSh-41. Other countries to use the StG 44 after World War II included the Czechoslovak Socialist Republic[18] and the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia,[19] where units as the 63rd Paratroop Battalion were equipped with it until the 1980s,[20] when the rifles were ultimately transferred to Territorial Defense reserves or sold to friendly regimes in the Middle East and Africa.

 

[BladeVenom]

Maybe I misunderstood your post, but STG 44 was more designed to bridge the gap between a rifle and submachine gun in terms of firepower and range, since most fighting took place within the 200m range, and not over 300m.

The funny thing is they have sights that are made to be adjusted out to 800 meters. The Mauser 98k sight go up to 2000 meters.