Gun Control Advocate Shoots Intruder

[Ozoned]

mmm, gun nuts.

A gun nut would have one of these. For varmits and such.

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn02-e.htm

 

[Zebo]

I think we've spotted a wino!

A glass a day keeps the doctor away.
http://www.fhcrc.org/about/ne/news/2004/09/22/red_wine.html

Uh I'm a runner so any more than that makes life hell next day.

 

[sciwizam]

A gun nut would have one of these. For varmits and such.

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn02-e.htm

I was making a reference to truck nuts

 

[Schadenfroh]

This thread reminds me of this Cracked article:
http://www.cracked.com/article_17016_7-items-you-wont-believe-are-actually-legal.html
(select summaries below)

7 Items You Won't Believe Are Actually Legal

#7. Flamethrowers
There are currently no federal laws governing or restricting the ownership of flame-throwing devices. 40 states have absolutely no laws whatsoever concerning flamethrowers. Only in America would a device capable of launching rivers of fire at people be less regulated than marijuana.

#5. Tannerite (An Explosive Compound)
Tannerite is sold legally as a binary compound, meaning you mix two harmless powders and get something that goes boom. We recommend only purchasing small amounts, as the temptation to blow it all up at once rises exponentially the more you have. This man purchased 100 pounds of the stuff and was unable to resist the temptation. The blast was heard for miles, and sent scraps of shrapnel flying almost a quarter of a mile.

#4 Improvised Weaponry
Homemade firearms. They are also known as garage guns, Chechnyan Firecrackers and scrap weapons. Most garage guns are made out of easily acquired pieces of trash and industrial debris. They can be as simple as a lead tube with a rubber-band-powered firing pin, or a fully automatic pistol made out of aluminum cans and assorted sprockets.

#2. The Mini-Gun
Unfortunately, there are only something like eleven civilian-legal miniguns in the USA. Most of them are in private hands, but one occasionally comes back up on the market. The going rate for your average minigun is around $400,000.

#1. Thermite
When ignited, it can reach temperatures of up to 2500 degrees Fahrenheit. For reference, that's close to half the temperature of the Sun. Thermite is most commonly used to cut through very strong metal, like the kind you find in the frame of a skyscraper or the body of a T-800.

 

[kage69]

Those SOCOMs should come with a warning "Only to be operated by deaf people"

Sweet gun (little too pricey for a ranch rifle though) but holy hell is it loud. Gotta double bag your ears with that baby. Can't imagine what it's like for some SWAT officer shooting one indoors, like in a stair well.

The .223 is still a very popular deer round in North America, but even those who swear by it will opt for heavy loads if anything bigger than whitetail is on the menu. High velocity is all well and good, but at some point you can't avoid needing more bore and mass.

Question about the black 870 w/Surefire on it. Is that a basic off-the-rack model or a Wilson refit?

 

[Carmen813]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Uses_for_ar-15_m4_rifle

Haha that link sort of made my point for me It blows up varmints, destroys edible food, and might kill your neighbor if used for home defense.

But it sure is fun on the weekends for target shooting My friend's father had one that he let me shoot a bit before going to ROTC training. Of course this man was still betting the Reds were going to invade ala Red Dawn, so what do I know It's a very easy gun to use. It was fun, but as I said, I don't see the practicality. I see them as tools, not toys.

 

[Carmen813]

A gun nut would have one of these. For varmits and such.

http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn02-e.htm

Damn, I missed that rat by 6 inches at 800 yards and it still exploded!

 

[highland145]

damn, i missed that rat by 6 inches at 800 yards and it still exploded!

lol

 

[Red Dawn]

Heres what daddy Z got from Momma Z and da boyz for xmas (just the aimpoint 3x magnifier)

Looks like my preparation for Date night:twisted:

 

[Fear No Evil]

Heres what daddy Z got from Momma Z and da boyz for xmas (just the aimpoint 3x magnifier)

Are you parents interesting in adopting?

 

[xj0hnx]

Battle Rifles tend to fire much more powerful rounds. Which is sort of the point of what I said. In my opinion, the .223 fired by the M4/16 and it's civilian variants isn't really strong enough to be used for most hunting applications. A .308 will kill a deer.

I don't feel a personal assault rifle has much practical purpose. It's too weak for hunting (unless you are going after varmints I suppose) and too large for CQ personal defense (though carbines are okay). Unless your plan is to stop an invading army I just don't see why you'd own one other than to go target shooting on the weekend.

As I said, that's just my opinion. You haven't really explained other uses for it though in any of your posts.

The .223 will kill a deer, and the AR variants are used quite a bit for hunting, and especially in airboure population control.

Unless your plan is to stop an invading army I just don't see why you'd own one other than to go target shooting on the weekend.

And? So what if someone wants one for target shooting? Or if their purpose if to have one to defend their property from people? That's their business, and more importantly, their right.

 

[Kirby]

The only people I know around here who use a .223 for deer hunting are kids and women.

Effective, but most men use .308 or 30-06.

 

[KlokWyze]

that shotgun is the closest thing to sexy i've ever seen a gun be. The cf gray combined with the bright contrast of the shells. Nice! It would be an honor to be shot to death by it.

lol

 

[xj0hnx]

The only people I know around here who use a .223 for deer hunting are kids and women.

Effective, but most men use .308 or 30-06.

Real men hunt with a bow

 

[Zebo]

The only people I know around here who use a .223 for deer hunting are kids and women.

Effective, but most men use .308 or 30-06.

My grandpa used to use a 22LR. Head shots up close and very good at it. I personally use a 300 win mag. I like to replace it with a .308 but once you're invested in reloading dies, a few dozen boxes of match grade 300 win mag ammo, xtra new barrel sitting in safe etc it makes transition difficult. Oh well..

Any bullet will kill a dear dead with good shot placement but the big stuff allows for less precision, but also destroys meat.. I hit one in the back leg once and damn near blew both back legs clean off. He got about 150 yards before bleeding to death. If I had done same poor shot with a .223 he would have been long gone. And died out weeks later.

Range is another huge benefit of the big calibers. These days I don;t take too many shots less than 600 yards overlooking a huge dell in my stand. No 223 will make those shots.

 

[Zebo]

Are you parents interesting in adopting?

Can you cut grass? Clean my boats? Change oil? Clean crappie? TANSTAAFL over here. My kids work more than most adults...

 

[Carmen813]

The .223 will kill a deer, and the AR variants are used quite a bit for hunting, and especially in airboure population control.



And? So what if someone wants one for target shooting? Or if their purpose if to have one to defend their property from people? That's their business, and more importantly, their right.

I know it will kill a deer, I just don't think its the right tool to get the job done. If you are going for head shots that's all well and good, but otherwise it's likely to be the wrong way to go. An AR-15 is rather large for home defense (i.e., unwieldy) in my opinion, though a car-15 might work.

Find the part where I said it should be banned and I'll find answers for your other questions. I'm just talking guns

When I'm old/rich enough to own my own guns I'm going for with a Glock 22 for personal protection and an M1A to scare people.

 

[Zargon]

Real men hunt with a bowie knife

fixed......

 

[xj0hnx]

I know it will kill a deer, I just don't think its the right tool to get the job done.

Maybe not great for deer, but people hunt things other than deer

An AR-15 is rather large for home defense (i.e., unwieldy) in my opinion, though a car-15 might work.

There's actually a few people that have completely opposite school of thought, mainly due to the stopping power, and double duty as a pummelling device. I personally prefer my .223 SLR-106U SBR for the home.

Find the part where I said it should be banned and I'll find answers for your other questions. I'm just talking guns

I didn't say you said banned, I was just stating that's it's their right if they want an assault rifle for target shooting, home defense, or a zombie invasion.

When I'm old/rich enough to own my own guns I'm going for with a Glock 22 for personal protection and an M1A to scare people.

Not sure how scary a M14 is, but it's a damn fine rifle.

 

[PJABBER]

Not sure how scary a M14 is, but it's a damn fine rifle.

The M14A1 is my favorite personal weapon by far. It can be modified to be scary accurate. It is extraordinarily robust and reliable and the 7.62mm round is a great allarounder for one shot kills at both long and short distances. But it is not especially appropriate for home defense as it is 1) heavy and bulky 2) 7.62mm rounds have excellent potential for penetration which can be highly detrimental to your neighbors' health. Great for hunting deer or similarly sized game, though.

The AR15 in 5.56mm caliber is fine for killing anything up to around 500 lbs, with shot placement as always being a consideration. The main advantage is the reduced weight of both the weapon and the rounds - they are just so much easier to carry around in quantity, which is why it was adopted by the Army for use in Vietnam in the first place. Also, the platform can be easily and extensively modded for reduced length in urban conditions, as well as almost unlimited added features. Using police standard frangible bullets further minimizes the potential for unwanted wall penetration.

For home defense, for most people, a short barreled shotgun or mid-caliber revolver seems to make the most sense. Less to get wrong at the wrong time. In any case, anyone with a weapon needs to develop and maintain a sufficient skill set for safety if nothing else. If you choose to have a weapon, go to a local range at least every other month and use it!

 

[PJABBER]

Range is another huge benefit of the big calibers. These days I don;t take too many shots less than 600 yards overlooking a huge dell in my stand. No 223 will make those shots.

While I prefer big calibers as well, don't dis the 5.56mm round for distance accuracy. National Match competitors shoot that round accurately out to past 1000 yards. And do so with open sights. :awe:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/st223_120606/index.html

I am a big fan of Les Baer weapons, and one was used in the above article. They are guaranteed to have .5 inch MOA accuracy even with a civilian standard 16" barrel length. The rest is up to the skills of the shooter and the shooting conditions.

Now, will the round have sufficient kinetic energy at 1000 yard distances to take down a good sized deer? I don't think so, so you will be hoping for a bleed out. But how many non-competition shooters would even bother to take a shot like that? And experienced hunters will know better (I hope.)

My recommendation - get rid of that SIG556 and go with Les!

 

[Zebo]

While I prefer big calibers as well, don't dis the 5.56mm round for distance accuracy. National Match competitors shoot that round accurately out to past 1000 yards. And do so with open sights. :awe:

http://www.shootingtimes.com/ammunition/st223_120606/index.html

I am a big fan of Les Baer weapons, and one was used in the above article. They are guaranteed to have .5 inch MOA accuracy even with a civilian standard 16" barrel length. The rest is up to the skills of the shooter and the shooting conditions.

Now, will the round have sufficient kinetic energy at 1000 yard distances to take down a good sized deer? I don't think so, so you will be hoping for a bleed out. But how many non-competition shooters would even bother to take a shot like that? And experienced hunters will know better (I hope.)

My recommendation - get rid of that SIG556 and go with Les!

Absolutely - I didnt mean they wouldn't reach out that far - but its energy is not enough to kill a dear. I'm into humane hunts and like em to drop dead. Something at or above 270 win is recommended. I usually won't attempt anything more than 800 meters and that's with a 14 power scope. Just not good enough or feel comfortable about it. I shot too many and they got away..same reason I stopped muzzle hunting.... to many nightmares about deer dying slow.

 

[PJABBER]

I shot too many and they got away..same reason I stopped muzzle hunting.... to many nightmares about deer dying slow.

I don't like messy kills, but they do happen regularly enough. I only bow hunt deer, and only by stalking as that is more of a sport, so it often enough turns out to be slow. Most of the time over the past few years I don't even take the available shot and just use it as an excuse to take off for a day or weekend in the woods.

A friend of mine is big into black powder hunting and he regularly gets very, very clean kills and excellent accuracy at reasonable distances. Not that many really long shots possible in the Northeast where he is anyway. I think he uses Dead Center Duplex and Keith Nose HP, but it has been a while since we talked and I can't be 100% sure. Those names stick out in memory. But I would think any good sabot round loaded hot would be effective.

 

[Carmen813]

I don't like messy kills, but they do happen regularly enough. I only bow hunt deer, and only by stalking as that is more of a sport, so it often enough turns out to be slow. Most of the time over the past few years I don't even take the available shot and just use it as an excuse to take off for a day or weekend in the woods.

A friend of mine is big into black powder hunting and he regularly gets very, very clean kills and excellent accuracy at reasonable distances. Not that many really long shots possible in the Northeast where he is anyway. I think he uses Dead Center Duplex and Keith Nose HP, but it has been a while since we talked and I can't be 100% sure. Those names stick out in memory. But I would think any good sabot round loaded hot would be effective.

I hunt deer with my car.

Or is it they hunt me?

 

[PJABBER]

I hunt deer with my car.

Or is it they hunt me?

Going fast enough, they will definitely take you out. Get them before they get you! ()