Guess where my first patient is coming from tomorrow?

[Vette73]

I already posted a link proving you wrong. You ignored it. I then refuted your points using pure logic. You failed to recognize this. I suppose it's easier, then, to claim that I failed to make my point, but I'm fairly certain you're only fooling yourself with this one.

I looked at your link and it does not show that Medtronic offers any product that is "highest quality of life" compared to others. Your link just said that theres money to make in pacemakers. Again, it only helps with what other have said about them being over priced.

As I said before...

Where did you proove it false? Your link just says there are others that make them. In fact that just adds weight that marketing and "training" resorts by Pharm and Medical supply companies do work.

I provided a link showing that the one YOU were defending as the "highest quality of life" has FDA all over them right now and lawsuits.

 

[JohnnyGage]

Going to play devil's advocate here. While this guy is found guilty, and more than likely is, there have been cases of people being on death row that are completely innocent and recent crime investigation techniques brought in new evidence proving beyond a doubt that a person was innocent.

People in the past have been "set up" before and it still happens. This is why we still have due processes. Think of it in this way. How would it feel to YOU to be on deathrow for a crime you didn't commit, waiting for something or someone to finally prove it, and then you develop a heart condition. Would you want the state officials to laugh and say, "tough shit" to you?

Again, that was devil's advocate because it HAS happened and more often as modern forensics, DNA testing, and other tools are used to investigate crime.


Now I do agree though that the real crime in this is the whole cost of the item and procedure in the first place. I'm sorry, but pacemakers did NOT cost billions of dollars to research. They are relatively "easy" tech that is not much harder to make than your average wrist watch. They never have been. Damn things have a material cost of pennies I bet. Hell, the CPU processor in your desktop that you are using to read this very post had more research and developmental costs than a pacemaker. Not only that, it does cost more to produce but is much cheaper. Seriously $50K is retarded for all that. It's not like the installation of it is a complicated procedure either and never has been. It's done around the world with high rates of success just about anywhere AND for much cheaper than $50K. Anyone else not see the "fail" in that?

Yeah its a totally easy procedure. Any high school grad with a GED could do it. All those guys spending 15 years in medical school are fools. All you have to do implant the pacemaker while sterile subcuetaneously and then attach said electrodes to a beating heart. Then using your high school based scientific knowledge of heart arrythmia's you get to program the heart rate of the patient. Dang, this stuff is easy we should all get it done at Menike, they got a lot of tools there and stuff.

Lots of armchair cardiologists around here...

 

[daishi5]

Really. Show me where pacemaker corps have spent "immense cost" defending lawsuits because of normal wear and tear, or "inevitable failures" as you put it.

Medtronics own website puts the cost at 700 Million for 2009, the information is all there on their website in their financial reports. Honestly, it takes like 5 minutes to look this up, or instead you can continue to go ahead and just guess and make assumptions about health care and then try to create solutions based on assumptions you pulled from the air. http://investorrelations.medtronic.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=76126&p=irol-irhome

 

[Vette73]

Medtronics own website puts the cost at 700 Million for 2009, the information is all there on their website in their financial reports. Honestly, it takes like 5 minutes to look this up, or instead you can continue to go ahead and just guess and make assumptions about health care and then try to create solutions based on assumptions you pulled from the air. http://investorrelations.medtronic.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=76126&p=irol-irhome

How about you read ANYTHING about Medtronic. They have a history of DEFECTIVE pacemakers and the FDA has even gone as far as...

"Medtronic Receives FDA Warning Letter Following Inspection"

This is not a issue of people suing because the parts wore out, its because Medtronic has been having many issues that have been going on for years. Amused said they have to cover cost from "inevitable failures" which is not true.

A quick and basic google search shows they have had major problems in 2007 and 2009.

 

[CycloWizard]

I looked at your link and it does not show that Medtronic offers any product that is "highest quality of life" compared to others. Your link just said that theres money to make in pacemakers. Again, it only helps with what other have said about them being over priced.

As I said before...

Where did you proove it false? Your link just says there are others that make them. In fact that just adds weight that marketing and "training" resorts by Pharm and Medical supply companies do work.

I provided a link showing that the one YOU were defending as the "highest quality of life" has FDA all over them right now and lawsuits.

I never said that ANY pacemaker offers the highest quality of life for anyone. I stated that the hospital/surgeon will select a pacemaker which gives the patient the highest quality of life. If they fail to do this, they risk a lawsuit. Everything else is simply your fabrication or conjecture. You have supplied no substance, only unsubstantiated claims. Medtronic does not have a monopoly on pacemakers. If you think their market share is greater than the merits of their device demands, then the burden of proof is on you to show that this is the result of corruption. You have posted a single link suggesting that Medtronic may have some issues with their pacemakers, but done no research into whether other manufacturers have similar issues. These issues are unrelated to the corruption which is your primary claim. Therefore, you have simply made reckless claims implying illegal behavior which, if untrue, constitute libel. Put up or shut up - the burden of proof is on you.

 

[Vette73]

I never said that ANY pacemaker offers the highest quality of life for anyone. I stated that the hospital/surgeon will select a pacemaker which gives the patient the highest quality of life. If they fail to do this, they risk a lawsuit. Everything else is simply your fabrication or conjecture. You have supplied no substance, only unsubstantiated claims. Medtronic does not have a monopoly on pacemakers. If you think their market share is greater than the merits of their device demands, then the burden of proof is on you to show that this is the result of corruption. You have posted a single link suggesting that Medtronic may have some issues with their pacemakers, but done no research into whether other manufacturers have similar issues. These issues are unrelated to the corruption which is your primary claim. Therefore, you have simply made reckless claims implying illegal behavior which, if untrue, constitute libel. Put up or shut up - the burden of proof is on you.

Posting the same, well here is my same again...

cyclohexane: The company that makes these pacemakers (Medtronic) basically has a monopoly... even if they cost more

YOU: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their patients the highest quality of life.

He pointed out they "cost more" and only get used due to incentives. You said no, its "highest quality of life".

You still have not backed up your side, so there is nothign for me to retort to. But here are some links showing how much Medtronic give for "quality of life" for their products.


On June 11, 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Class 1 recall of two types of Medtronic pacemakers
http://newyorkcity.injuryboard.com/...dtronic-pacemaker-recall.aspx?googleid=269022

In November 2005, Medtronic voluntarily recalled certain Sigma Series pacemakers...

On October 15, 2007, Medtronic issued a voluntary recall of their implantable defibrillators due to defective...
http://www.levinsimeskaisergornick.com/medical-medtronic.html

02/05/2010 - Some leading hospitals are reporting failure rates for Medtronic Inc.'s fracture-prone defibrillator wires—including among young people—that are significantly higher than what the company has publicly disclosed.
http://www.ennislaw.com/medtronic-s...leads-difibrillator-lawyer-news-02052010.html

 

[CycloWizard]

Posting the same, well here is my same again...

cyclohexane: The company that makes these pacemakers (Medtronic) basically has a monopoly... even if they cost more

YOU: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their patients the highest quality of life.

He pointed out they "cost more" and only get used due to incentives. You said no, its "highest quality of life".

You still have not backed up your side, so there is nothign for me to retort to.


On June 11, 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Class 1 recall of two types of Medtronic pacemakers
http://newyorkcity.injuryboard.com/...dtronic-pacemaker-recall.aspx?googleid=269022

In November 2005, Medtronic voluntarily recalled certain Sigma Series pacemakers...

On October 15, 2007, Medtronic issued a voluntary recall of their implantable defibrillators due to defective...
http://www.levinsimeskaisergornick.com/medical-medtronic.html

02/05/2010 - Some leading hospitals are reporting failure rates for Medtronic Inc.'s fracture-prone defibrillator wires—including among young people—that are significantly higher than what the company has publicly disclosed.
http://www.ennislaw.com/medtronic-s...leads-difibrillator-lawyer-news-02052010.html

I already directly addressed this point: you have simply taken my statement out of context. I was responding to his claim that hospitals would use one pacemaker over another because it is already a known quantity. All of this other BS is simply your fabrication. The posts are right there for you to go back and read, so feel free to do so. I already quoted this for you once, which you promptly ignored. I'm not going to do it again.

 

[daishi5]

How about you read ANYTHING about Medtronic. They have a history of DEFECTIVE pacemakers and the FDA has even gone as far as...

"Medtronic Receives FDA Warning Letter Following Inspection"

This is not a issue of people suing because the parts wore out, its because Medtronic has been having many issues that have been going on for years. Amused said they have to cover cost from "inevitable failures" which is not true.

A quick and basic google search shows they have had major problems in 2007 and 2009.

You and I have a different understanding of the words "inevitable failure." I see those words as problems that will happen because of several reasons; the people making/designing/installing them are human and make mistakes, materials sometimes fail, and testing does not catch everything. So, I would include a bad design, manufacturing defect, or even a product with bad side effects as an "inevitable failure." Because all of those things will happen, and they will kill people, and the company should pay for those failures even though all of those will inevitably happen because no one is perfect. Therefore, I include all of their lawsuit damages as part of the cost of "inevitable failures," while obviously you have some other definition that I am not clear what distinction you are making.

And furthermore, doesn't this just go to show that pacemakers are not just a battery with a few wires? If it was so easy, why has medtronic gotten it wrong so often?

 

[Vette73]

I already directly addressed this point: you have simply taken my statement out of context. I was responding to his claim that hospitals would use one pacemaker over another because it is already a known quantity. All of this other BS is simply your fabrication. The posts are right there for you to go back and read, so feel free to do so. I already quoted this for you once, which you promptly ignored. I'm not going to do it again.

I quoted what you said, its still there.

And I guess my fabrication runs the same as the FDA and hoipitals sayiny the same thing, Medtronic has major problems and is trying to cover them up...

AGAIN...

On June 11, 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Class 1 recall of two types of Medtronic pacemakers
http://newyorkcity.injuryboard.com/fda-and-prescription-drugs/medtronic-pacemaker-recall.aspx?googleid=269022

In November 2005, Medtronic voluntarily recalled certain Sigma Series pacemakers...

On October 15, 2007, Medtronic issued a voluntary recall of their implantable defibrillators due to defective...
http://www.levinsimeskaisergornick.com/medical-medtronic.html

02/05/2010 - Some leading hospitals are reporting failure rates for Medtronic Inc.'s fracture-prone defibrillator wires—including among young people—that are significantly higher than what the company has publicly disclosed.
http://www.ennislaw.com/medtronic-sprint-fidelis-defective-wire-leads-difibrillator-lawyer-news-02052010.html

 

[Vette73]

You and I have a different understanding of the words "inevitable failure." I see those words as problems that will happen because of several reasons; the people making/designing/installing them are human and make mistakes, materials sometimes fail, and testing does not catch everything. So, I would include a bad design, manufacturing defect, or even a product with bad side effects as an "inevitable failure." Because all of those things will happen, and they will kill people, and the company should pay for those failures even though all of those will inevitably happen because no one is perfect. Therefore, I include all of their lawsuit damages as part of the cost of "inevitable failures," while obviously you have some other definition that I am not clear what distinction you are making.

And furthermore, doesn't this just go to show that pacemakers are not just a battery with a few wires? If it was so easy, why has medtronic gotten it wrong so often?

So recalls, FDA letters, and hospitals should just shut up as its part of the "inevitable failure" per your wording?
Sorry but "inevitable failure" as amused put it was liek my DVD player dieing after 10years and me suing. Not my DVD player breaks after 10 days and I should just live with it being "inevitable failure."

And for getting it wrong. Thats easy, comes down to money. Even at the Pharm companies I worked for the buck was all that mattered. They, top people, got greedy and people got sick and many lost their jobs. But don;t worry they have their golden shutes. Why change the wires or make ti better if its cheaper to hope its not a issue and its cheaper to cover the lawsuits then fix. Insert Fight club quote here.

On June 11, 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Class 1 recall of two types of Medtronic pacemakers
http://newyorkcity.injuryboard.com/fda-and-prescription-drugs/medtronic-pacemaker-recall.aspx?googleid=269022

In November 2005, Medtronic voluntarily recalled certain Sigma Series pacemakers...

On October 15, 2007, Medtronic issued a voluntary recall of their implantable defibrillators due to defective...
http://www.levinsimeskaisergornick.com/medical-medtronic.html

02/05/2010 - Some leading hospitals are reporting failure rates for Medtronic Inc.'s fracture-prone defibrillator wires—including among young people—that are significantly higher than what the company has publicly disclosed.
http://www.ennislaw.com/medtronic-sprint-fidelis-defective-wire-leads-difibrillator-lawyer-news-02052010.html

 

[theeedude]

I still think it's hilarious that the same people who complain there isn't enough cost containment in health care reform are also on the side of medical device manufacturers against any cost containment.
Also, all this supposed R&D cost is not necessarily making for better devices. My grandpa had an Eastern block (Yugoslavian, I think) pacemaker from the 1980s, it was built like a tank but never gave him any problems for 15 years, then he had it replaced with a modern American one, and I think he's on 3rd one in about 10 years because they are basically junk that keeps breaking.

 

[CycloWizard]

I quoted what you said, its still there.

And I guess my fabrication runs the same as the FDA and hoipitals sayiny the same thing, Medtronic has major problems and is trying to cover them up...

No, you truncated cyclohexane's statement which I quoted, specifically to frame my response in a bastardized sense. I corrected this many posts ago by specifically quoting the sentence I was responding to, and you skipped that post. So either go back and read it or stop posting. I'm done responding to your strawmen.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Guys coming in for a new pacemaker, guess where he's coming from.

If you guessed, Death Row, you'd be right. Good going CA, $50K of taxpayer dollars down the drain.

It costs $50,000 to do a pacemaker?

It does seem pretty retarded. We have decide that this man is to die. So why isn't he dead yet and why the hell are we spending money to keep him alive? Do we or do we not want him to die?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Why don't you move to that awesome place (China)?

Don't laugh. Many unemployed Americans head to China to teach English. If current trends continue, it's quite possible that in 20 or 30 years Americans really will consider going to China to seek a better life.

 

[Vette73]

No, you truncated cyclohexane's statement which I quoted, specifically to frame my response in a bastardized sense. I corrected this many posts ago by specifically quoting the sentence I was responding to, and you skipped that post. So either go back and read it or stop posting. I'm done responding to your strawmen.

I did and you tried to spin it again, and no ones buying it.

Nice try.

cyclohexane: The company that makes these pacemakers (Medtronic) basically has a monopoly... even if they cost more

YOU: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their patients the highest quality of life.

 

[JSt0rm]

So did you kill him slewfoot?

 

[CycloWizard]

I did and you tried to spin it again, and no ones buying it.

Nice try.

cyclohexane: The company that makes these pacemakers (Medtronic) basically has a monopoly... even if they cost more

YOU: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their patients the highest quality of life.

Here it is again, you illiterate F'ing douchebag:
cyclohexane: "All the doctors and hospitals have been using their devices and have the incentives to keep using them (even if they cost more, at least they know that it works)" (this is from about the 85th post in this thread, for anyone who wants to see beyond any doubt that Marlin is deliberately taking this statement out of context by omitting the points I was addressing)

me: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their
patients the highest quality of life.

I already quoted this sentence from cyclohexane directly previously. You intentionally omitted a good deal of his statement to bastardize my response. You are therefore an asshat. Please go die in a fire.

 

[Vette73]

Here it is again, you illiterate F'ing douchebag:
cyclohexane: "All the doctors and hospitals have been using their devices and have the incentives to keep using them (even if they cost more, at least they know that it works)" (this is from about the 85th post in this thread, for anyone who wants to see beyond any doubt that Marlin is deliberately taking this statement out of context by omitting the points I was addressing)

me: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their
patients the highest quality of life.

I already quoted this sentence from cyclohexane directly previously. You intentionally omitted a good deal of his statement to bastardize my response. You are therefore an asshat. Please go die in a fire.

He is talking about its not a quality of life thing but money and sales and you try to spin it as a quality of life thing. Whicbh I have already shown that Medtronic has a lot of quality issues.

But I guess my statements must be true as all you can do is call people names and not back up that the hospital choose Medtronic for "quality of life" as you put it.

 

[CycloWizard]

But I guess my statements must be true as all you can do is call people names and not back up that the hospital choose Medtronic for "quality of life" as you put it.

You took the paragraph I quoted from, removed the part I actually quoted, and pretended that I was responding to the portion you quoted rather than the part I quoted. This makes you a douchebag. You intentionally misrepresented what I said because you couldn't contradict my statements. I call it how I see it, even if that requires calling you a douchebag. Don't like it? Then quit being a douchebag.

He is talking about its not a quality of life thing but money and sales and you try to spin it as a quality of life thing. Whicbh I have already shown that Medtronic has a lot of quality issues.

Cyclohexane conjectures that hospitals won't respond to alternative pacemakers because Medtronic is a known quantity. I said that that doesn't make any sense because hospitals and surgeons are responsible and even liable for improvement in quality of life of the patient. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for hospitals and surgeons to continue to use a pacemaker which is inferior simply because they're used to using it. You are arguing that corruption is skewing the market. If you want to argue this, which was my original statement, then the burden of proof is on you. If you want to argue that Medtronic pacemakers aren't as good as other options (a point I've never argued, since I don't know, nor do I care), then the burden of proof is again on you, as I have made no claim either way.

Now, to the other point that you keep bringing up which I was not responding to when I previously quoted cyclohexane. Cyclohexane also conjectured that hospitals choose Medtronic because they have a monopoly. They do not have a monopoly, which I have already demonstrated. Thus, they have not used a monopoly to artificially inflate the price. Therefore, burden of proof of a contrary viewpoint is on you. Put up or shut up.

 

[Vette73]

You took the paragraph I quoted from, removed the part I actually quoted, and pretended that I was responding to the portion you quoted rather than the part I quoted. This makes you a douchebag. You intentionally misrepresented what I said because you couldn't contradict my statements. I call it how I see it, even if that requires calling you a douchebag. Don't like it? Then quit being a douchebag.

Cyclohexane conjectures that hospitals won't respond to alternative pacemakers because Medtronic is a known quantity. I said that that doesn't make any sense because hospitals and surgeons are responsible and even liable for improvement in quality of life of the patient. Therefore, it doesn't make sense for hospitals and surgeons to continue to use a pacemaker which is inferior simply because they're used to using it. You are arguing that corruption is skewing the market. If you want to argue this, which was my original statement, then the burden of proof is on you. If you want to argue that Medtronic pacemakers aren't as good as other options (a point I've never argued, since I don't know, nor do I care), then the burden of proof is again on you, as I have made no claim either way.

Now, to the other point that you keep bringing up which I was not responding to when I previously quoted cyclohexane. Cyclohexane also conjectured that hospitals choose Medtronic because they have a monopoly. They do not have a monopoly, which I have already demonstrated. Thus, they have not used a monopoly to artificially inflate the price. Therefore, burden of proof of a contrary viewpoint is on you. Put up or shut up.

Theer ya go again with trying to spin things. He said...


cyclohexane: The company that makes these pacemakers (Medtronic) basically has a monopoly... even if they cost more

YOU: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their patients the highest quality of life.


Nice try spinner



On June 11, 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Class 1 recall of two types of Medtronic pacemakers
http://newyorkcity.injuryboard.com/fda-and-prescription-drugs/medtronic-pacemaker-recall.aspx?googleid=269022

In November 2005, Medtronic voluntarily recalled certain Sigma Series pacemakers...

On October 15, 2007, Medtronic issued a voluntary recall of their implantable defibrillators due to defective...
http://www.levinsimeskaisergornick.com/medical-medtronic.html

02/05/2010 - Some leading hospitals are reporting failure rates for Medtronic Inc.'s fracture-prone defibrillator wires—including among young people—that are significantly higher than what the company has publicly disclosed.
http://www.ennislaw.com/medtronic-sprint-fidelis-defective-wire-leads-difibrillator-lawyer-news-02052010.html

 

[Amused]

How about you read ANYTHING about Medtronic. They have a history of DEFECTIVE pacemakers and the FDA has even gone as far as...

"Medtronic Receives FDA Warning Letter Following Inspection"

This is not a issue of people suing because the parts wore out, its because Medtronic has been having many issues that have been going on for years. Amused said they have to cover cost from "inevitable failures" which is not true.

A quick and basic google search shows they have had major problems in 2007 and 2009.

Yes, and if you use a bit of common sense, you would realize that ALL pacemaker companies are open to the same kind of lawsuits and must cover themselves. I can't even imagine what a company like that pays for insurance.

Just google "pacemaker lawsuit" to see that all the major players have lawsuits and class actions pending against them.

EVERYTHING will fail, and not just from wearing out, but have premature failures. Name a single product line that is 100% lemon free.

At any rate, just concede the point.

 

[Vette73]

Yes, and if you use a bit of common sense, you would realize that ALL pacemaker companies are open to the same kind of lawsuits and must cover themselves. I can't even imagine what a company like that pays for insurance.

Just google "pacemaker lawsuit" to see that all the major players have lawsuits and class actions pending against them.

At any rate, just concede the point.

So defective manufactoring is considered "inevitable failures"?

Let alone the company tryign to cover it up with the FDA getting on them and even Hospitals saying Medtronic is lieing?


On June 11, 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Class 1 recall of two types of Medtronic pacemakers
http://newyorkcity.injuryboard.com/fda-and-prescription-drugs/medtronic-pacemaker-recall.aspx?googleid=269022

In November 2005, Medtronic voluntarily recalled certain Sigma Series pacemakers...

On October 15, 2007, Medtronic issued a voluntary recall of their implantable defibrillators due to defective...
http://www.levinsimeskaisergornick.com/medical-medtronic.html

02/05/2010 - Some leading hospitals are reporting failure rates for Medtronic Inc.'s fracture-prone defibrillator wires—including among young people—that are significantly higher than what the company has publicly disclosed.
http://www.ennislaw.com/medtronic-sprint-fidelis-defective-wire-leads-difibrillator-lawyer-news-02052010.html

 

[Amused]

So defective manufactoring is considered "inevitable failures"?

Let alone the company tryign to cover it up with the FDA getting on them and even Hospitals saying Medtronic is lieing?


On June 11, 2009, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) issued a Class 1 recall of two types of Medtronic pacemakers
http://newyorkcity.injuryboard.com/fda-and-prescription-drugs/medtronic-pacemaker-recall.aspx?googleid=269022

In November 2005, Medtronic voluntarily recalled certain Sigma Series pacemakers...

On October 15, 2007, Medtronic issued a voluntary recall of their implantable defibrillators due to defective...
http://www.levinsimeskaisergornick.com/medical-medtronic.html

02/05/2010 - Some leading hospitals are reporting failure rates for Medtronic Inc.'s fracture-prone defibrillator wires—including among young people—that are significantly higher than what the company has publicly disclosed.
http://www.ennislaw.com/medtronic-sprint-fidelis-defective-wire-leads-difibrillator-lawyer-news-02052010.html

Istead of spazzing out you should have waited for my edit.

Name a product line that is 100% lemon free.

ALL the major players in the pacemaker industry have pending lawsuits and class actions against them.

That alone is a clue as to why a product that costs pennies to make retails for 30 grand.

 

[CycloWizard]

Theer ya go again with trying to spin things. He said...


cyclohexane: The company that makes these pacemakers (Medtronic) basically has a monopoly... even if they cost more

YOU: Hospitals will use whichever device is FDA approved and gives their patients the highest quality of life.


Nice try spinner

You are a real POS. Just so everyone else will know this without a doubt, here is the evidence: the FULL PARAGRAPH which cyclohexane posted, which you have quoted in some completely bastardized form over and over:

It's not just a matter of cost. The company that makes these pacemakers (Medtronic) basically has a monopoly and is impossible to get into the market. All the doctors and hospitals have been using their devices and have the incentives to keep using them (even if they cost more, at least they know that it works)

Source: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29526166&postcount=84

So quit BSing everyone, admit that you're a shady SOB, and crawl back to your hole.

 

[Vette73]

You are a real POS. Just so everyone else will know this without a doubt, here is the evidence: the FULL PARAGRAPH which cyclohexane posted, which you have quoted in some completely bastardized form over and over:

Source: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29526166&postcount=84

So quit BSing everyone, admit that you're a shady SOB, and crawl back to your hole.

See can;t even back up your claims just have to go to name calling.

Guess being a troll is easy. Makes claims and then don;t back them up then call people names when they ask for your proof.

Sad... just sad