Guess where my first patient is coming from tomorrow?

[MotF Bane]

You know most medical R&d is done by the nih right? "progressives" fucking with medical research and having the government do it. And look at just how horrible our medical research is in this country... government cant do anything right. I heard they are doing research on how to disprove the existence of GOD

What? I'm talking about how senseamp finds $30k for the pacemaker technology to be absurd. So the one you might want to talk to is him.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You know most medical R&d is done by the nih right? "progressives" fucking with medical research and having the government do it. And look at just how horrible our medical research is in this country... government cant do anything right. I heard they are doing research on how to disprove the existence of GOD

You might be right about this, seriously.

How much did the NIH contribute to this specific technology and technique?

I love the NIH. They do some great stuff.

 

[theeedude]

I have an idea. You can offer your services to the state. Tell them you'll do it for fifty bucks.

I love how the same Republicans who complain that there is not enough cost containment in the health care reform, area also the ones first in line to defend a battery with a tiny chip and some electrodes costing more than a car. We are talking about pace maker, you know stuff that's been around for decades, not some latest R&D miracle. In comparison, you can get multi-billion transistor chips that cost billions to develop for under 100 dollars.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I love how the same Republicans who complain that there is not enough cost containment in the health care reform, area also the ones first in line to defend a battery with a tiny chip and some electrodes costing more than a car. We are talking about pace maker, you know stuff that's been around for decades, not some latest R&D miracle. In comparison, you can get multi-billion transistor chips that cost billions to develop for under 100 dollars.

Do Republicans do that? Interesting.

What's the return on investment on both cases considering things like economy of scale and total units sold?

 

[Zorkorist]

Sorry, we can't sacrifice due process to save money.

This. The expense is unfortunate, but due process must be preserved.

You might be able to save the state some electricity - do they make pacemakers with remote controls? <VBEG>

Letting him die on the operating table sounds good, but Murphy's Law would almost guarantee that new evidence would emerge proving him innocent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Miner



-John

 

[JSt0rm]

http://ttc.nci.nih.gov/opportunities/opportunity.php?opp_id=1884

Look what the socialists at .gov are researching. I'm sure this will fail as the government can't do anything right.

 

[theeedude]

Do Republicans do that? Interesting.

What's the return on investment on both cases considering things like economy of scale and total units sold?

Pacemaker has been around for many decades, R&D has been amortized long long time ago over millions of units. At this point it's incremental improvements and gravy.

 

[Zorkorist]

You might be right about this, seriously.

How much did the NIH contribute to this specific technology and technique?

I love the NIH. They do some great stuff.

Jay Miner, of Atari/Amiga fame, developed a remote controlled pacemaker 30 or 40years ago.

He. Himself.

He also made Atari what it was yesterday, Amiga, etc.

One person, did what your NIH did not.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Pacemaker has been around for many decades, R&D has been amortized long long time ago over millions of units. At this point it's incremental improvements and gravy.

The only thing making it crazy expensive is health insurance suits.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

IE, what Obama wants more of.

Or to nationalize it.

So, more people that ordinary people ARE NOT, make money.

Government people.
Insurance people.
Lawyers.

-John

 

[CycloWizard]

You know most medical R&d is done by the nih right? "progressives" fucking with medical research and having the government do it. And look at just how horrible our medical research is in this country... government cant do anything right. I heard they are doing research on how to disprove the existence of GOD

The NIH does very little medical research relative to universities. The NIH is primarily the body through which funding for medical research flows to university labs. But don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda.

 

[CycloWizard]

Pacemaker has been around for many decades, R&D has been amortized long long time ago over millions of units. At this point it's incremental improvements and gravy.

If it's so simple, then make one yourself and get on the gravy train. You'll find that it's not so easy, that there are significant improvements being made, and that the devices aren't nearly as simple as you think. Otherwise, the devices wouldn't be so expensive because everyone would be selling them, thereby creating massive competition for a relatively limited demand.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

http://ttc.nci.nih.gov/opportunities/opportunity.php?opp_id=1884

Look what the socialists at .gov are researching. I'm sure this will fail as the government can't do anything right.

I don't give a fuck about the "socialist" comment which is no doubt supposed to illicit response from someone.

As for me I've said that more money needs to be spent on research especially in the field of energy production.

I was asking a specific question about this device and procedure. I'm also interested in knowing what the costs of implanting this device is. Certainly someone is making more than a buck on it, but what is the cost of insurance, the cost of development, the costs associated with recouping money for whatever research, the costs of malpractice involved with the procedure when it fails (and it does).

I can rattle off more than that, but it all influences the cost and I don't have figures to say anything at all, except that only an idiot can look at the material cost of of an object and think that's what should be charged.

 

[Lemon law]

The other question to ask, is the inmate on death row? Gasp, we can't execute a sick person, so we must get the person healthy, and then we can do em to death?

Just more human hypocrisy, but I stand four square against the death penalty.

But cheer up, the USA leads the world in incarnation rates, and then the taxpayer foots the bill for their health care. Lets us jail more recreational drug users, employ more prison guards, build more prisons, as we stimulate the economy. And never never do anything to rehabilitate or train the average inmate.

 

[theeedude]

If it's so simple, then make one yourself and get on the gravy train. You'll find that it's not so easy, that there are significant improvements being made, and that the devices aren't nearly as simple as you think. Otherwise, the devices wouldn't be so expensive because everyone would be selling them, thereby creating massive competition for a relatively limited demand.

Are they as complicated as a brand new BMW?
Battery, 1 small chip + 2 electrodes vs a whole new car?

 

[MotF Bane]

The other question to ask, is the inmate on death row? Gasp, we can't execute a sick person, so we must get the person healthy, and then we can do em to death?

For all any of us know, he's still pretty early in the appeals process, nowhere close to getting the needle.

 

[JS80]

Are they as complicated as a brand new BMW?
Battery, 1 small chip + 2 electrodes vs a whole new car?

Please enlighten us, what SHOULD the price be?

 

[theeedude]

Please enlighten us, what SHOULD the price be?

You can enlighten yourself, see how much it costs overseas. Of course you think it SHOULD be 30K?

 

[Zorkorist]

Please enlighten us, what SHOULD the price be?

I'll take a stab. $25.00

-John

 

[JSt0rm]

I'll take a stab. $25.00

-John

Considering this is used to save someone's life and that person finds that to be worth a lot we should charge them 95% of there worth for this device. They will pay...

 

[Darwin333]

uhh guys. This is his FIRST patient. Seems like a proper use for death row inmates

Damn good point.

 

[Zorkorist]

Considering this is used to save someone's life and that person finds that to be worth a lot we should charge them 95% of there worth for this device. They will pay...

Not if someone else will sell it to him for $30

-John

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not if someone else will sell it to him for $30

-John

Now there's an idea. You should start up an ebay site. Seriously.

 

[CycloWizard]

Are they as complicated as a brand new BMW?
Battery, 1 small chip + 2 electrodes vs a whole new car?

Why aren't you making them then? Answer the question or STFU.

 

[Zorkorist]

Now there's an idea. You should start up an ebay site. Seriously.

Can't do it. I'll be sued, for making a life saving device that costs $30.

That's if I am not thrown in jail, first.

Talk about sick.

-John