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[dr150]

Alright nerds, who is stronger, Thanos or Apocalypse?

There's a whole website dedicated to these versus battles:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/thanos-vs-apocalypse-25883/


Btw, Squirrel Girl beat Thanos, so he's a punk.

Saint of Killers could take Thanos......He killed God:

 

[Kev]

There's a whole website dedicated to these versus battles:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/thanos-vs-apocalypse-25883/

Those comments gave me brain cancer.

 

[smackababy]

Those comments gave me brain cancer.

Most of those are pretty bad. But, some bring up great points. Thanos was able to fight, and enjoy, infinity gem'd Thor. Apocalypse has Celestial technology, but not the understand of it. And, with the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos can literally will anyone dead. He does kill half the universes population with the snap of a finger (and this includes some powerful mutants).

 

[EvilYoda]

Saw it last night (finally!) - really enjoyed the film! But, in a different way than most other Marvel films since I thought it was rather weak on plot and exposition but the humor was great. I think they did a good job with Rocket (and Groot), an okay one with Quill, and meh with every other character.

I really liked this article too:

http://www.slashfilm.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-easter-eggs/

 

[SP33Demon]

There's a whole website dedicated to these versus battles:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/thanos-vs-apocalypse-25883/


Btw, Squirrel Girl beat Thanos, so he's a punk.

Saint of Killers could take Thanos......He killed God:

Wrong, it was most likely a clone of Thanos. Also remember that Squirrel Girl is a satire of overconfident opponents.

Following her defeat of Doctor Doom,[7] an ongoing joke depicts Squirrel Girl repeatedly attaining victory over various villains, some of whom are considered to be more powerful than she is. Typically, these victories occur off-panel, though some, like her battles with Deadpool,[13] MODOK,[11] and Wolverine,[17] are shown. ...
Squirrel Girl's defeat of Thanos is an ambiguous one. Uatu, the Watcher, was present at the battle and claimed Squirrel Girl defeated the genuine Thanos and not a clone or copy.[11] Thanos has since claimed he has perfected a means of creating clones of himself that could fool even "the most cosmic of beings." Adding to the ambiguity is the fact the reveal comes from the mind of a clone whose memory had been altered.[21]

The Preacher over God was an example of pure stupidity.

 

[Gibsons]

Conclusion:
Who would win? Beats the fuck out of me, though both seem to be of similar intellect and cosmic power. Give the IG to either and they win the universe (duh). The end.

Apocalypse stays on Earth, and has only sorta conquered it.

Thanos has pretty much taken over the universe at one point or another.

 

[SP33Demon]

Most of those are pretty bad. But, some bring up great points. Thanos was able to fight, and enjoy, infinity gem'd Thor. Apocalypse has Celestial technology, but not the understand of it. And, with the Infinity Gauntlet, Thanos can literally will anyone dead. He does kill half the universes population with the snap of a finger (and this includes some powerful mutants).

Not sure why you're still even comparing Thanos with the IG to anyone. The question was Thanos minus the IG.

Consider Apocalypse's resume:
-Beat the Eternal Prime Ikaris, Eternals have easily dispatched the Avengers
-Defeated Eternal Garbha-Hsien
-Defeated Loki
-Defeated Onslaught (for all intents and purposes)
-Defeated Exodus after creating him
-Defeated High Evolutionary
-Created Dracula before later killing him
-Created Mr. Sinister
-Created Archangel's techno-organic wings and granted him superhuman powers
-Defeated Phoenix and Cyclops while they were time travelling
-Defeated Black Bolt + Hulk at the same time and enslaved half of the planet of Inhumans
-Defeated an enraged Hulk
-Manipulated Hulk to be his Horseman and made him more powerful than Juggernaut
-Defeated Black Bolt + Cyclops at the same time, laughing off a direct hit by Cyclops and scream from Black Bolt

Misc:
-In The Twelve, captured and absorbed these 12 mutant's powers at once:
- Bishop
- Cable
- Cyclops
- Iceman
- Living Monolith
- Magneto
- Phoenix
- Polaris
- Professor X
- Colossus
- Storm
- Sunfire
Also brainwashed Wolverine to be Horseman Death and refused his adamantium skeleton.

Had he not been stopped in The Twelve, he would have surpassed the power of a Celestial and slain them all (his goal).

Both Thanos and Apocalypse are at the 100+ strength level according to Marvel wikia.
http://marvel.wikia.com/En_Sabah_Nur_(Earth-616)
http://marvel.wikia.com/Thanos_(Earth-616)

I think in the end it depends on the writer. Some will make them super powerful or stupidly weak. For example, Drax the Destroyer punching out Thanos' heart and killing him (stupid - thought he was immortal?). Or the fact that Thanos can't fly or teleport without this Throne yet can turn people to stone (atomic manipulation). Or Apocalypse being defeated by XFactor or XMen. When you get to characters of these kinds of powers, it starts to get into cheese wiz territory and it's up to the writer to cleverly (or sometimes stupidly) nerf them in order to defeat them.

 

[zinfamous]

Hated it. Geared for a 10 year old. Lame humor. Corny.
Ok I guess if your 10 years old and your mom won't let you see a movie unless she goes along too.

How did you get the sticks up your asses?

 

[Skel]

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I think in the end it depends on the writer. Some will make them super powerful or stupidly weak. For example, Drax the Destroyer punching out Thanos' heart and killing him (stupid - thought he was immortal?). Or the fact that Thanos can't fly or teleport without this Throne yet can turn people to stone (atomic manipulation). Or Apocalypse being defeated by XFactor or XMen. When you get to characters of these kinds of powers, it starts to get into cheese wiz territory and it's up to the writer to cleverly (or sometimes stupidly) nerf them in order to defeat them.

Drax only was able to pull off that stunt because

1. It was before Thanos was brought back 'immortal'
2. Drax was created only for one purpose: To kill Thanos. He has the ability to get past Thanos' defenses.

A subnote would be Thanos was also very busy at the time attempting to release Galactus. He was expecting Moondragon to do something other than yell don't kill him. In the followup series "Thanos Imperative" Thanos was supposedly brought back immortal and Drax wasn't able to do much execpt be annihilated... which sadly was thrown out for some reason (probably the then upcoming movie this tread is supposed to be about) as Drax suddenly showed up as if nothing happened. They never explained how that happened.

 

[Gibsons]

Not sure why you're still even comparing Thanos with the IG to anyone. The question was Thanos minus the IG.

Consider Apocalypse's resume:
-Beat the Eternal Prime Ikaris, Eternals have easily dispatched the Avengers
-Defeated Eternal Garbha-Hsien
-Defeated Loki
-Defeated Onslaught (for all intents and purposes)
-Defeated Exodus after creating him
-Defeated High Evolutionary
-Created Dracula before later killing him
-Created Mr. Sinister
-Created Archangel's techno-organic wings and granted him superhuman powers
-Defeated Phoenix and Cyclops while they were time travelling
-Defeated Black Bolt + Hulk at the same time and enslaved half of the planet of Inhumans
-Defeated an enraged Hulk
-Manipulated Hulk to be his Horseman and made him more powerful than Juggernaut
-Defeated Black Bolt + Cyclops at the same time, laughing off a direct hit by Cyclops and scream from Black Bolt

Misc:
-In The Twelve, captured and absorbed these 12 mutant's powers at once:
- Bishop
- Cable
- Cyclops
- Iceman
- Living Monolith
- Magneto
- Phoenix
- Polaris
- Professor X
- Colossus
- Storm
- Sunfire
Also brainwashed Wolverine to be Horseman Death and refused his adamantium skeleton.

Had he not been stopped in The Twelve, he would have surpassed the power of a Celestial and slain them all (his goal).

Both Thanos and Apocalypse are at the 100+ strength level according to Marvel wikia.
http://marvel.wikia.com/En_Sabah_Nur_(Earth-616)
http://marvel.wikia.com/Thanos_(Earth-616)

I think in the end it depends on the writer. Some will make them super powerful or stupidly weak. For example, Drax the Destroyer punching out Thanos' heart and killing him (stupid - thought he was immortal?). Or the fact that Thanos can't fly or teleport without this Throne yet can turn people to stone (atomic manipulation). Or Apocalypse being defeated by XFactor or XMen. When you get to characters of these kinds of powers, it starts to get into cheese wiz territory and it's up to the writer to cleverly (or sometimes stupidly) nerf them in order to defeat them.

First defeating Ankhenaten in ancient Egypt, Thanos remade the universe as if Ankhenaten never appeared, although Thanos remained omnipotent. A cabal of cosmic beings of power, such as Eternity and the Living Tribunal prompted an assembly of nearly every super-being, god, and cosmic entity (such as Galactus and the Celestials) help take Thanos down. Dismissing them all, Thanos proved to be too powerful. He could even kill a Celestial with but a glance!

http://marvel.com/universe/Thanos

 

[SP33Demon]

http://marvel.com/universe/Thanos

You forgot the part where he pussied out.

He subsequently undid the destruction of the universe and obliterated the Heart from existence. Thus, not only did he strip himself of power, but he made the entire series of events null and void.

Also, regarding the "Heart of the Universe":

The Heart of the Universe provides the user with total omnipotence, omnipresence, omnibenevolence and omniscience The Heart of the Universe is a power infinitely beyond that of the Infinity Gems or Cosmic Cubes, truly having no limits to its power. It is implied that the Heart is the power of the One-Above-All itself.

Ch ch ch ch cheese wiz. I bet Starlin thought this up while taking a dump on his toilet. "What shall we call some even MORE powerful than the infinity gauntlet? The HEART OF THE UNIVERSE!" (/sound of poop plopping in toilet) "Let's make this a 6 issue mini-series that won't ultimately affect anything in the Marvel Universe, and we'll call it 'Marvel Universe: The End'." (/plop, reaches for toilet paper).

I stand by the original point. Thanos minus all the cheese wiz (infinity gems, heart of the bunghole, the collector's anal hair, odin's used condom) would be on par with Apocalypse and ultimately depends on the writer. Cosmic power is retarded IMO, creating/birthing/enhancing new mutants and techno-viruses is way more interesting and will translate better to screen. The writers will probably do something to kill Thanos in the movies anyway, on the level of this garbage:

 

[Skel]

You forgot the part where he pussied out.


Also, regarding the "Heart of the Universe":


Ch ch ch ch cheese wiz. I bet Starlin thought this up while taking a dump on his toilet. "What shall we call some even MORE powerful than the infinity gauntlet? The HEART OF THE UNIVERSE!" (/sound of poop plopping in toilet) "Let's make this a 6 issue mini-series that won't ultimately affect anything in the Marvel Universe, and we'll call it 'Marvel Universe: The End'." (/plop, reaches for toilet paper).

I stand by the original point. Thanos minus all the cheese wiz (infinity gems, heart of the bunghole, the collector's anal hair, odin's used condom) would be on par with Apocalypse and ultimately depends on the writer. Cosmic power is retarded IMO, creating/birthing/enhancing new mutants and techno-viruses is way more interesting and will translate better to screen. The writers will probably do something to kill Thanos in the movies anyway, on the level of this garbage:

The "One Above It All" had been around longer than the gauntlet. It came backup at the end of the Infinity Gauntlet as a way of removing the gauntlet from the board. Otherwise there'd always be this macguffin (more than normal) out there gimping more stories. The heart of the universe came around when Marvel wanted Starlin to write a "The End" story, which was kind of a thing they were doing. Showing the end of their characters like Wolverine and the X-men. Starlin misunderstood what they asked for thinking they wanted another Infinity Gauntlet story and wrote one where Thanos once again gets unlimited power. He gives it up to fix the universe that's about to implode due to death getting abused.

The pictures you put up were from the "Thanos Imperative" and that death didn't take. Some have said because Thanos was now imortal, but there's also an alternite universe they're in at the time where death has been killed. It was written by some guys that aren't bad, but not on the level of Griffin and Starlin. The death from Drax came in Annihilation (written by Griffin) and had Drax punch his heart out.

The girl is Death by the way, who had finally come for Thanos. Sadly it was overturned by Lanning and Abnett who wrote the picture you posted of Drax putting a bomb on his chest.

More info than wanted?

 

[JEDI]

Saw it last night (finally!) - really enjoyed the film! But, in a different way than most other Marvel films since I thought it was rather weak on plot and exposition but the humor was great. I think they did a good job with Rocket (and Groot), an okay one with Quill, and meh with every other character.

I really liked this article too:

http://www.slashfilm.com/guardians-of-the-galaxy-easter-eggs/

yup weak plot:

gamora is the daughter of Thanos, trained to kill.
yet she's altruistic? she wants to stop Ronan because he's going to kill billions of people?

I figured being an assassin she'll be emotionless and hardcore, especially being trained by thanos. wished the movie gave a backstory on her developing a soft side.

the prison breakout was stupid.

yolandu killing all those goons with his arrow. when didn't anyone try to shoot him as the arrow was flying about?!

also, while infiltrating Ronan's ship, why did his troops fight the Guardians hand to hand?! instead of trying to blast them?

How did Ronan's ship get so close to Nova Corps planet w/o resistance?
and the first people to try to stop it were the Guardians?!
What the hell were Nova Corps doing? watching TV?

weak plot is weak, but loved the humor

 

[MrSquished]

Wife and I saw it last night and loved it. It was really funny.

We walked out and thought it was very firefly and farscape-ish, which are good things.

Groot FTW

I agree. great summer flick but with far more character than your standard fare. i guess that comes from James Gunn.

one of the most fun movies and yet still got emotionally attached to some of the characters.

also beautiful visuals. saw it in IMAX 3D. good times.

 

[TheSlamma]

yup weak plot:

gamora is the daughter of Thanos, trained to kill.
yet she's altruistic? she wants to stop Ronan because he's going to kill billions of people?

I figured being an assassin she'll be emotionless and hardcore, especially being trained by thanos. wished the movie gave a backstory on her developing a soft side.

the prison breakout was stupid.

yolandu killing all those goons with his arrow. when didn't anyone try to shoot him as the arrow was flying about?!

also, while infiltrating Ronan's ship, why did his troops fight the Guardians hand to hand?! instead of trying to blast them?

How did Ronan's ship get so close to Nova Corps planet w/o resistance?
and the first people to try to stop it were the Guardians?!
What the hell were Nova Corps doing? watching TV?

weak plot is weak, but loved the humor

Comic book movies should be known for their plots

 

[Kaido]

Fun movie. To quote my wife, "that was the prettiest movie I've ever seen"

Post-credits scene was the most random thing I've ever seen. Wow.

I think my only real knock is that they dragged out the dialogue a bit too much in terms of delivery - I think they should have tightened it up to keep the laughs rolling. It felt like the writers thought of funny jokes, but then had to write them down & spell them out to the director, who then directed funny people into delivering lines that were just slightly too stretched out. My only other minor complaint is that the green girl switched sides from bad to good too quickly...felt like a ploy at first, but not really...

 

[bearxor]

Every time I read something about this movie or I see pictures or I hear someone else's reaction after seeing it, it makes me want to go see it again.

I think the best compliment I can give a movie is that, after seeing it, I'm more than willing to walk right back to the box office and buy another ticket for the very next showing and that's pretty much how I felt after seeing it the first time.

 

[Fritzo]

Fun movie. To quote my wife, "that was the prettiest movie I've ever seen"

Post-credits scene was the most random thing I've ever seen. Wow.

I think my only real knock is that they dragged out the dialogue a bit too much in terms of delivery - I think they should have tightened it up to keep the laughs rolling. It felt like the writers thought of funny jokes, but then had to write them down & spell them out to the director, who then directed funny people into delivering lines that were just slightly too stretched out. My only other minor complaint is that the green girl switched sides from bad to good too quickly...felt like a ploy at first, but not really...

The green girl had her own agenda from the start. She didn't really switch sides, she decided to take on allies.

 

[JEDI]

Fun movie. To quote my wife, "that was the prettiest movie I've ever seen"

Post-credits scene was the most random thing I've ever seen. Wow.

I think my only real knock is that they dragged out the dialogue a bit too much in terms of delivery - I think they should have tightened it up to keep the laughs rolling. It felt like the writers thought of funny jokes, but then had to write them down & spell them out to the director, who then directed funny people into delivering lines that were just slightly too stretched out. My only other minor complaint is that the green girl switched sides from bad to good too quickly...felt like a ploy at first, but not really...

yup.. Gamora telling a bunch of strangers that she wasnt getting the gem for Ronan but instead was going to betray him and sell the gem to someone else sounded like a ploy.

I expected the Guardians to say sometime later in the movie that they saw thru her transparent lies.

so she went from assassin to thief to savior of the universe because she didn't want billions of people to die?!
wished the movie delved into how she had a heart of gold

 

[TerryMathews]

yup.. Gamora telling a bunch of strangers that she wasnt getting the gem for Ronan but instead was going to betray him and sell the gem to someone else sounded like a ploy.

I expected the Guardians to say sometime later in the movie that they saw thru her transparent lies.

so she went from assassin to thief to savior of the universe because she didn't want billions of people to die?!
wished the movie delved into how she had a heart of gold

You have to remember, Gamora and Nebula are as loyal to Ronan and Thanos as Hamas is to Israel.

To me, waiting for a score big enough to disappear sounded totally believable.

 

[zinfamous]

Every time I read something about this movie or I see pictures or I hear someone else's reaction after seeing it, it makes me want to go see it again.

I think the best compliment I can give a movie is that, after seeing it, I'm more than willing to walk right back to the box office and buy another ticket for the very next showing and that's pretty much how I felt after seeing it the first time.

agreed. I do want to see it again, in the theater. That is unusual for me.

 

[zinfamous]

You have to remember, Gamora and Nebula are as loyal to Ronan and Thanos as Hamas is to Israel.

To me, waiting for a score big enough to disappear sounded totally believable.

perfect analogy.

It's a fair criticism, though. For audiences that aren't familiar with these characters, this interaction appears rather weak. Knowing who Gamora is, and especially her true relationship to Thanos going into the film, fills in certain gaps that would be more explicit to those viewers without prior knowledge.

 

[TerryMathews]

perfect analogy.

It's a fair criticism, though. For audiences that aren't familiar with these characters, this interaction appears rather weak. Knowing who Gamora is, and especially her true relationship to Thanos going into the film, fills in certain gaps that would be more explicit to those viewers without prior knowledge.

To be fair, she does explain her background with Thanos. How he wiped out her planet and killer her parents in front of her.

 

[zinfamous]

To be fair, she does explain her background with Thanos. How he wiped out her planet and killer her parents in front of her.

yeah but that's just like, typical family holiday for them.

 

[JEDI]

You have to remember, Gamora and Nebula are as loyal to Ronan and Thanos as Hamas is to Israel.

To me, waiting for a score big enough to disappear sounded totally believable.

yeah but why would she tell a bunch of strangers, especially since they're the one's she attacked?!

wouldn't it be better to keep quiet about betraying Ronan if it was for real?