Why would you ask such a question, haven't you seen every other generation where custom coolers DO in fact keep all GPUs much cooler than reference and quieter?
Reference coolers cannot match custom ones when it comes to single card setups. Certainly blowers, with an OC, will be terribly noisy. Yes, even the Titan blower. Check out tomshardware, 80% fan speed to prevents throttling down from high tier boost clock on a 780.
Video noise comparison:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-290-review-benchmark,3659-18.html
If you're asking if 3rd party coolers are better, the answer is, yes.
If you're asking if the reference cooler can adequately cool the card, the answer is also, yes
I've got a kraken x61 in the top of a fractal design r5. Any opinions what would be best in that situation? reference cooler or ACX 2.0? I was reading somewhere that it would probably be good to go reference if you're using AIO cpu cooling. Any truth to that? I've got a gtx 770 with ACX cooler in there now and I never really see it go much over 65c.
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For the record, I don't do spoilers. If I have a card then I'm under NDA and can't say how it performs. If I don't have a card then I don't know how it performs.
Either way you want to wait because AMD is launching their first new high-end card within a month, and there's no reason to be in a rush when these cards will be on the market for many months to come.
$650 to play what AAA game. There is nothing else coming out this year that would use that shiny 980 Ti. I already posted, no new Mass Effect, no new Elder Scrolls, no new Fallout (unless Bethesda just stealth drops it which I seriously doubt) Just Cause 3 is likely next year. High vs Ultra in Witcher III is next to irrelevant beyond screenshots, er - ? AAA releases are drying up - V and Witcher III have launched and those playing Day One like me are already finished or a third of the way through respectively.
And I doubt I'd consider AMD, it took them a year+ to release WHQL drivers, Nvidia has Day One drivers (and guides) for big releases. That alone is worth a premium.
And I'd pass on any reference card. You buy top shelf you want a top shelf cooler not some stock rubbish. Its like buying a K processor and keeping the stock cooler. And the Ti is gimped too, less cores and less textures units. Meh. Damn I'm getting old and grumpy.
And I doubt I'd consider AMD, it took them a year+ to release WHQL drivers, Nvidia has Day One drivers (and guides) for big releases. That alone is worth a premium.
And I'd pass on any reference card. You buy top shelf you want a top shelf cooler not some stock rubbish. Its like buying a K processor and keeping the stock cooler. And the Ti is gimped too, less cores and less textures units. Meh. Damn I'm getting old and grumpy.
Funny you mention that escrow4, Witcher 3 High + Ultra Textures look almost identical to everything Ultra, and runs a ton faster.
But its kinda what we've had for a long time, High > Ultra transition often have diminishing returns. So people who are fine running with a few settings turned down, even a 7950 is fine at 1080p.
But its kinda what we've had for a long time, High > Ultra transition often have diminishing returns. So people who are fine running with a few settings turned down, even a 7950 is fine at 1080p.
Funny you mention that escrow4, Witcher 3 High + Ultra Textures look almost identical to everything Ultra, and runs a ton faster.
But its kinda what we've had for a long time, High > Ultra transition often have diminishing returns. So people who are fine running with a few settings turned down, even a 7950 is fine at 1080p.
Exactly what I am running with this 780 Ti, plus HBAO. Enough for more or less solid 60FPS with few dips. I could upgrade sure, but to play what? If there was a new Skyrim or ME4, I'd buy one as soon as its out here. Looks like I'll see what AMD cranks out.
Pascal is expected to perform better... Seriously, it's WAAAY to early to even try to speculate on any values.
$650 to play what AAA game. There is nothing else coming out this year that would use that shiny 980 Ti. I already posted, no new Mass Effect, no new Elder Scrolls, no new Fallout (unless Bethesda just stealth drops it which I seriously doubt) Just Cause 3 is likely next year. High vs Ultra in Witcher III is next to irrelevant beyond screenshots, er - ? AAA releases are drying up - V and Witcher III have launched and those playing Day One like me are already finished or a third of the way through respectively.
And I doubt I'd consider AMD, it took them a year+ to release WHQL drivers, Nvidia has Day One drivers (and guides) for big releases. That alone is worth a premium.
And I'd pass on any reference card. You buy top shelf you want a top shelf cooler not some stock rubbish. Its like buying a K processor and keeping the stock cooler. And the Ti is gimped too, less cores and less textures units. Meh. Damn I'm getting old and grumpy.
New Batman? I am looking forward to that.
Don't know what else is coming out this year though...
Ah okay, you are calling your discussion a fiasco, not the card? Is that correct? If it is sorry for the confusion.
Imo the 980Ti is a beast of a card, but I myself would wait to see how Fiji performs. If 4GB is bugging you then by all means buy a card with more vram, but considering it is a new type of memory and knowing what we do about Tonga's memory efficiency, I don't think 4GB will be an issue even at ultra resolutions. I'm not desperate for a card right now though so I'm okay to wait. Others may be in a different boat.
4GB is 4GB. When you hear of HBM efficiency they are referring to power, not how well it's used. A game that needs 4GB of GDDR5 is going to need 4GB of HBM, is going to need 4GB of GDDR3 etc etc. HBM doesn't make a game that needs 4GB of GDDR5 suddenly need only 3GB of HBM.
Yah this is not worth the upgrade from my 780ti like I predicted. If i see a review of a overlocked evga one might change story.
I'm curious, has 4GB of VRAM actually been shown to be a bottleneck even at 4K? I'm not looking for examples of where VRAM usage has broken 4GB - I'm talking about specific scenarios where having more than 4GB of VRAM has actually resulted in increased performance over a 4GB card. I'm thinking that at the moment 4GB cards will be fine. Maybe not a in a year or two from now, but then again people who buy these ultra high end cards don't tend to hold on to them for that long. If Fiji ends up outperforming TitanX by 10-15% even at 4K in current games across the board, is the 4GB really going to be a deal breaker?
At the moment, 4GB is fine. I personally buy at the high end and keep my cards around for a while, which is why I'm looking beyond 4GB. I do a complete system build about every 5 years. Start off with whatever is the high end card at the time and do a GPU upgrade about half way through the cycle, then build a new box. I'm right at that mid-life GPU upgrade schedule now.
Deal breaker for me is two fold really. One is 4GB. I just don't want to find myself in the same situation as I did with buying 2GB cards. Many of the arguments for 4GB cards today are the same ones people (myself included) made for 2GB cards some 2+ years ago.
Second, drivers. The fact there hasn't been a new WHQL AMD driver for 6 or 7 months is ridiculous IMO. Then there was Project Cars, ran great on my system. Visit the forums, and there's an uproar regarding AMD performance. Installed the game on my 7970 system with a 2600k and sure enough, the performance is nowhere near where it should be. There was so much complaining on the forums that the developers actually made public some their efforts to work with AMD and how AMD was essentially unresponsive, until AFTER the games release and people started complaining. Then came TW3 where very similar stories regarding AMD's developer relations were called into question.
If this ends up being a awesome 4GB card for a fair price and AMD drivers were on point then it would be a more compelling card. If this was an 8GB card with great performance for a fair price and their drivers are what they are, then it could still be a compelling card. But 4GB when I was hoping for more combined with sub par driver support adds up to being more compromise than I think I'm willing to make.
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New uarch, new HBM2 memory, full node jump.. massive difference.
The only question is will big Pascal come in 2016.. I don't think it will for consumers, there's the need for new Teslas.
And I'm the same way. I try to make my builds last as long as possible and in that case maybe a 4GB Fiji wouldn't be the best choice. However, I've seen lots of people on this forum talk about how 4GB would be a deal breaker when they grab the latest and greatest GPU whenever it's available - in that case it seems like looking for any reason to eliminate the Fiji from consideration. Someone that upgrades their GPU's every 6-12 months probably doesn't need to worry that Fiji might only have 4GB of VRAM. They'll all be jumping to the 14/16nm GPU's that are supposed to be available next year anyway.
If anything, I thought the new AMD card would be attractive to those types just for the fact that it's the first GPU launching with HBM. The fact that a high end GPU card is half the size, features a water cooler by default, etc. It's just different. You would think a change would be nice sometimes.
So the 980TI 5+1GB card?And also is not full 384bit?
Just like GTX970?
980Ti have 18% less pixel fillrate vs TITANX...
Just like GTX970?
980Ti have 18% less pixel fillrate vs TITANX...
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If you're not at 4K and you have no intention of going multi-GPU, 4GB is NOT a factor whatsoever. These GPUs lack the grunt to drive 4K gaming with the settings that would stress 4GB vram, settings like 4/8x MSAA at 4K.
4K gaming on a single GPU you have to turn down settings to get acceptable frame rates, thus, 4GB limit is a non issue.
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