GTX 980Ti finally launched - MSRP $649 - Reviews

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tential

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I don't game enough for that to matter. I will never encounter a game that I want to play in which CF doesn't work. I play games when it's convenient for me, aka, when every patch happens, when every feature works, etc. Then I play them. I NEVER am in a rush o play a game and am never a day 1 adopter of a game. If a game has 0 CF support, I probably am ot playing it. I can't think of ONE game out right now that has 0 CF support that I have to play. There isn't a game that I HAVE to play. If it isnt' compatible, I just won't play it.
Minimums is where I'm starting to worry yes and that's where the new cards look REALLY attractive hence why I'm waiting.
 

2is

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I explained why, I also said you wouldn't understand. Looks like I was right based on your last post. To me it sounds like the defensive one is the guy complain that nVidia is selling out of their cards. Either way, I'm sure we will both enjoy our respective cards when we get them. You may have to wait a while for a driver, but you already know that and you're ok with it. I may have to pay more for an nVidia card, I already know that and I'm ok with it.
 

RussianSensation

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I explained why, I also said you wouldn't understand. Looks like I was right based on your last post. To me it sounds like the defensive one is the guy complain that nVidia is selling out of their cards. Either way, I'm sure we will both enjoy our respective cards when we get them. You may have to wait a while for a driver, but you already know that and you're ok with it. I may have to pay more for an nVidia card, I already know that and I'm ok with it.

1. Now the truth comes out. A lot of gamers on this forum actually gave you the benefit of the doubt when you legitimately discussed how you were open-minded in the 390X thread about buying either AMD or NV but I could see through your posts all along from the beginning. The minute you started bashing the possibility of a 4GB card without even seeing its price or performance, while yourself gaming on gimped 680 2GB SLI for 3.5 years I knew you already made up your mind a long time ago. I don't really care what brand of cards you buy but putting a facade of being objective was unnecessary in that case. There are certain guys on this forum like tviceman or toyota that only buy NV but the way the go about why they prefer NV is completely differently. Neither of those guys gets his panties in a bunch when AMD delivers a better product either as they cheer the competition.

2. Funny about your 2nd statement considering 7970Ghz CF have pummeled your 680 SLI for 1.5 years straight, and not just by a little bit but by 25-30%, consistently too. I guess those non-WHQL AMD drivers must suck that badly that 690/680SLI gets dropped at 1440P by 7970Ghz / ARES II at GameGPU by miles. :p

3. If you paid attention to my posts I already said I view this generation as a stop-gap. You are the one who wanted to future-proof with 980Ti SLI for 2.5-3 years, which is where the basis of your 6GB vs. 4GB argument came from. I don't care about any of that as I have my eyes set on Pascal/14nm AMD equivalent cards with 8GB HBM2. So your point about me waiting for months to get OK drivers is hilarious considering HD7970Ghz CF has mopped the floor with 680 SLI in the last 1.5 years and my next card will easily beat a stop-gap 980Ti. I am not sweating it cuz it's not a competition for me. Just calling things out how I see them in terms of who on this forum buys their GPUs objectively and who just puts up a veil of objectivity but in reality their decision was made a long time ago.

I don't game enough for that to matter. I will never encounter a game that I want to play in which CF doesn't work. I play games when it's convenient for me, aka, when every patch happens, when every feature works, etc. Then I play them. I NEVER am in a rush o play a game and am never a day 1 adopter of a game. If a game has 0 CF support, I probably am ot playing it. I can't think of ONE game out right now that has 0 CF support that I have to play. There isn't a game that I HAVE to play. If it isnt' compatible, I just won't play it.
Minimums is where I'm starting to worry yes and that's where the new cards look REALLY attractive hence why I'm waiting.

That's the beauty of a single GPU card. I understand what you are saying that you wait for games to drop in price and for patches to come out where CF works and the bugs/game glitches are fixed. However, in that case why even buy a card like the R9 295X2? What's wrong with a 290X/970 and when a game you buy runs poorly on those cards, then you can sell them and get something faster.

I still think an R9 295X2 at $550 is a really bad buy against a 980Ti. Even thinking down the line, it's going to be a lot harder to sell R9 295X2. $100 extra you will spend on 980Ti might only turn into $50-75 extra by the time resale value comes. In Toronto I've seen R9 295X2 used selling for $400 USD ($500 CDN). Since 980Ti is brand new and its near king of the hill for now, it has a lot more cache and consistent performance to an R9 295X2/970SLI.

If you are that interested in the R9 295X2, might as well wait until they are on final clearance. I've seen it go on sale to $492 at Tiger Direct.

50$ pricecut for the GTX980 would be crazy good.

No, at $499, the 980 is still overpriced. There is nothing crazy good about it against a $650 980TI. Once both are overclocked, 980TI will have a 35-40% lead and 50% more VRAM for only $150 more. Considering 980Ti only leads 290X by 7-15% depending on the site and it cost 60-80% more, in this case 980Ti is a "bargain" against a 980 or a better way to look at it is 980 is a horrible buy at $499 against a $330 970 or a $650 980Ti.
 
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2is

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1. Now the truth comes out. A lot of gamers on this forum actually gave you the benefit of the doubt when you legitimately discussed how you were open-minded in the 390X thread about buying either AMD or NV but I could see through your posts all along from the beginning. The minute you started bashing the possibility of a 4GB card without even seeing its price or performance, while yourself gaming on gimped 680 2GB SLI for 3.5 years I knew you already made up your mind a long time ago. I don't really care what brand of cards you buy but putting a facade of being objective was unnecessary in that case.

2. Funny about your 2nd statement considering 7970Ghz CF have pummeled your 680 SLI for 1.5 years straight, and not just by a little bit but by 25-30%, consistently too. I guess those non-WHQL AMD drivers must suck that badly that 690/680SLI gets dropped at 1440P by 7970Ghz / ARES II at GameGPU by miles. :p

3. If you paid attention to my posts I already said I view this generation as a stop-gap. You are the one who wanted to future-proof with 980Ti SLI for 2.5-3 years. I don't care about any of that as I have my eyes set on Pascal/14nm AMD equivalent cards. So your point about me waiting for months to get OK drivers is hilarious considering no matter what I get, it'll smash your stop-gap 980Ti considering you are keeping them to "future-proof."

I'm not sure what you're talking about, pretty sure you don't either. Sounds to me like you're just mad. I was actually excited about 390x until the 4GB fiasco. I made this clear on multiple occasions. I don't want a 4GB card, period. Not sure what it is about this concept you seem to be incapable of grasping. You even had the benefit of another forum member explain my reasoning to you in clearer, simpler terms.

Not sure what you're point is with #3 on your list. I don't care what you get or how you feel about the current generation. That's all your prerogative. You also aren't hurting my feelings by saying 7970CF pummels my 680SLI, nor will my feelings get hurt if you smash my 980Ti. I don't attach myself to nVidia like you attach yourself to AMD. Pummel/smash away.
 
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moonbogg

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I can't buy the damn things. What gives? Nvidia is already sold out on their site, LOL. These things are going to evaporate faster than a Titan X owner's tears on the sun.
 

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I was actually excited about 390x until the 4GB fiasco. I made this clear on multiple occasions. I don't want a 4GB card, period.

If there was a card out with 32GB of ram would you prefer it if it offered the same performance? The coveat here is that ram is DDR3.

The guys who made GDDR5, and now HBM say they are confident that 4GB is not limiting what they're after.

I'm just real curious how one number -alone-, not attached to the tech dictates so much. As you're not the first one I see this sentiment from.

I do not doubt that this is something AMD will have to overcome when reviews come out and, market it extremely well to educate buyers.

I'm in a similar boat, I have my doubts about the 4GB but it is no way a deciding factor for me now before any real information comes out for it.
 

Grooveriding

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I can't buy the damn things. What gives? Nvidia is already sold out on their site, LOL. These things are going to evaporate faster than a Titan X owner's tears on the sun.

LOL, nvidia exploited our backsides hard this time, no reach around even. Glad I went into it eyes wide open this release. This is much worse than Titan vs 780 was, Titan X is pointless, but 12GB VRAM, bro :rolleyes:

I wonder if I can still even dump mine for $1100CDN each at this point and wait for the Kingpin 980ti. At current exchange rates the Titan X sells for $1300 in Canada, the 980ti should be $850. Who wants to buy a pair of TX $2100CDN all in ? :p

Fiji better be faster than Titan X or it's going to bomb.
 

2is

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If there was a card out with 32GB of ram would you prefer it if it offered the same performance? The coveat here is that ram is DDR3.

The guys who made GDDR5, and now HBM say they are confident that 4GB is not limiting what they're after.

I'm just real curious how one number -alone-, not attached to the tech dictates so much. As you're not the first one I see this sentiment from.

I do not doubt that this is something AMD will have to overcome when reviews come out and, market it extremely well to educate buyers.

I'm in a similar boat, I have my doubts about the 4GB but it is no way a deciding factor for me now before any real information comes out for it.

It's quite simple really. I have 2GB cards, and it wasn't long before 2GB became inadequate. There are games that are already out now that can use >3GB of VRAM at 1080p and games aren't getting any LESS complex as we delve deeper into "next gen"

I simply don't have the confidence that 4GB will be enough. Obviously if AMD can only offer 4GB of ram for whatever reason, they're going to say they're confidant it's enough. What else would you expect them to say if that's all they have to offer?
 

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Not bad.

Looks tempting. I still think U$650 is too much for a second tier card. I will wait till E3 to see what Fiji is like before I decide.

It's the biggest GPU ever produced, EVER. It might even be the largest computer chip ever made, 601mm2 is huge!!!! I'm not making excusing, I'm stating reality. I don't care how good yields are, it's not yielding good enough to have two desktop sku's with all it's SM's and memory controllers functional. Second tier is as good as we'll get in the Geforce GTX 980XX lineup.
 

badb0y

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Anyone have any idea when Newegg puts up new products? I already skipped the nVidia store and Amazon :( .

Also, TTL is totally spot on with his review title. GTX 980 Titan irrelevant.
 

LTC8K6

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When the 12GB X came out, it was a cinch that a 6GB version was coming. Anyone who didn't see that is blind to the obvious. :p
 

2is

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Anyone have any idea when Newegg puts up new products? I already skipped the nVidia store and Amazon :( .

Also, TTL is totally spot on with his review title. GTX 980 Titan irrelevant.

I was reading that they will be in the retail channel in about a weeks time. Don't know how "official" that is though.
 

badb0y

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I was reading that they will be in the retail channel in about a weeks time. Don't know how "official" that is though.

Hmm, I don't think that's right, Amazon already had them in stock tonight...
 

2is

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"Fiasco"?
The card isn't even released yet... :confused:

Yes, "Fiasco" I'm referring to the other thread where RS and I had a similar back and forth where it became more and more apparent that it will indeed be a 4GB card. While we don't know for absolute certainty yet, the circumstantial evidence and rumor mill are overwhelmingly pointing to 4GB. In fact, the only thing pointing to anything other than 4GB is hopes and dreams.
 
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Even if there's a 8GB HBM Fiji thats faster than Titan X and cheaper, some people would never buy it regardless so let's not pretend otherwise. They'll just be happy that AMD brings down prices of NV GPUs. Heck, some wouldn't even be happy about that.
 

2is

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Even if there's a 8GB HBM Fiji thats faster than Titan X and cheaper, some people would never buy it regardless so let's not pretend otherwise. They'll just be happy that AMD brings down prices of NV GPUs. Heck, some wouldn't even be happy about that.

Some people won't. Just like some people won't buy nVidia if the reverse happened. I'm simply answering questions directed towards me. Though I don't know anyone who wouldn't be happy about lower prices, unless you paid $1200 and it dropped to $800 the next day...
 

LTC8K6

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Even if there's a 8GB HBM Fiji thats faster than Titan X and cheaper, some people would never buy it regardless so let's not pretend otherwise. They'll just be happy that AMD brings down prices of NV GPUs. Heck, some wouldn't even be happy about that.

Right.

Some people will never buy a Chevrolet.

Some people will never buy a Ford.

Some people will only buy Hondas.

Etc.
 

badb0y

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moonbogg

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Anyone have any idea when Newegg puts up new products? I already skipped the nVidia store and Amazon :( .

Also, TTL is totally spot on with his review title. GTX 980 Titan irrelevant.

Seriously I don't want to miss the boat here. Sell out in 10 minutes, miss the chance = wait a month.