GTS 450, new Nvidia mid range

[PingviN]

Benchmarks here: http://gpudesign.bafree.net/asus-gts-450-top-full-review

Expected to be slower and more expensive than HD5770. Guess we wont see a pricewar this time either.

 

[toyota]

Benchmarks here: http://gpudesign.bafree.net/asus-gts-450-top-full-review

Expected to be slower and more expensive than HD5770. Guess we wont see a pricewar this time either.

even clocked at 925, it still loses to the 5770 in Crysis. lol. this card really needs to be around 100 bucks to make sense.

 

[busydude]

boom goes the dynamite, NOT! I am disappoint. The OC'ed version just matches the 5770. The price gouging continues into the 6XXX series, I am sure.

 

[Rifter]

is that even likely for a 125 watt card?

as long as the heatsink is big enough it would work fine, for 125w of passive cooling though you are going to need a really really big heatsink, im thinking larger than the biggest air CPU heatsinks we have today. Maybe if you strapped a NH-D14 to it.

 

[tviceman]

Nvidia will end up positioning the gtx450 between the 5750 and 5770, and a further cutdown gf104 core (gts455) will be positioned between the 5830 and 5770.

None of these products are exciting to me. The 384 shader GF104 part needs to get out of the door now.

 

[railven]

Is it safe to say the GTX 460 will be the best nvidia part this generation in the $150-$250 price point?

I know, the 470 can be had in that range with AR and boink (or whatever its called) but the rig I'd stick it in won't handle the heat/power requirements.

Anyways, just curious if anyone knows if a 475 is really in the works.

 

[RussianSensation]

So the conclusion for 2010 is NV should have shrunk GTX260 216 / 275 and 285, added DX11 and increased clock speeds and relabelled them GTX450 and 460 and we would have had cooler running, and faster videocards about 9 months ago.

 

[toyota]

So the conclusion for 2010 is NV should have shrunk GTX260 216 / 275 and 285, added DX11 and increased clock speeds and relabelled them GTX450 and 460 and we would have had cooler running, and faster videocards about 9 months ago.

yeah I have thought about that too. lol

 

[PingviN]

So the conclusion for 2010 is NV should have shrunk GTX260 216 / 275 and 285, added DX11 and increased clock speeds and relabelled them GTX450 and 460 and we would have had cooler running, and faster videocards about 9 months ago.

Right on the money. Nvidia left the successfull re-labeling party too early and now all Nvidia's friends think Nvidia a jerk.

No, but seriously though - Nvidia would probably have been better of with G92 - Fermi has taken WAY too long.

 

[edplayer]

Expected to be slower and more expensive than HD5770. Guess we wont see a pricewar this time either.

Regardless of what Nvidia says is the official msrp, I believe that these cards will have to be priced competitively. From what I know of this industry, this is going to be one of Nvida's volume products. It will be hard to meet sales goals if the price/performance ratio isn't at least similar to ATi's.

$99 sounds like a good price that could help it sell well now, but what happens if ATI lowers prices across all their line? What happens if ATI comes out with a new product that has a lot more performance than this at a similar price?

 

[PingviN]

$99 sounds like a good price that could help it sell well now, but what happens if ATI lowers prices across all their line? What happens if ATI comes out with a new product that has a lot more performance than this at a similar price?

I'm guessing we'll see RV770 vs GT200 all over again, only this time in the mid section of the market.

 

[tincart]

Late to the game and slower than the closest competing card.

GTS 455, if GF104-based, might be more interesting but the far larger die size would mean price competition with the 5770 would be financial suicide for nV.

 

[tviceman]

Late to the game and slower than the closest competing card.

GTS 455, if GF104-based, might be more interesting but the far larger die size would mean price competition with the 5770 would be financial suicide for nV.

It wouldn't directly compete with a 5770. It would be faster than a 5770 but slower than a 5830, so it would be priced that way. And it would not be financial suicide. It just means that Nvidia would be able to salvage more chips. If they're getting 60% yield rate with GF104 at it's current cut down spec of 336 shaders, that means 40% of the chips may still function as a lesser part instead of being thrown away.

 

[edplayer]

It just means that Nvidia would be able to salvage more chips. If they're getting 60% yield rate with GF104 at it's current cut down spec of 336 shaders, that means 40% of the chips may still function as a lesser part instead of being thrown away.

that is assuming that Nvidia has to salvage chips to make those. Maybe their yields are good enough so that they don't have enough chips to be forced to sell a GTS 455?

I would rather be in that position than having yields low enough where you pretty much have to sell a GTS 455. And when is it supposed to come out? If this Barts gpu is out in October, looks like it would have to compete with that.

 

[Skurge]

It wouldn't directly compete with a 5770. It would be faster than a 5770 but slower than a 5830, so it would be priced that way. And it would not be financial suicide. It just means that Nvidia would be able to salvage more chips. If they're getting 60% yield rate with GF104 at it's current cut down spec of 336 shaders, that means 40% of the chips may still function as a lesser part instead of being thrown away.

The gap between a 5770 and a 5830 isn't all that big to begin with.

 

[bryanW1995]

yes, because the 5830 = big pile of SUCK

 

[Dark Shroud]

yes, because the 5830 = big pile of SUCK

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but there are benches of the HD 5830 beating GTX 460s.

Price the 5830 @ $180-$170 and its not a bad deal at all.

 

[tviceman]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but there are benches of the HD 5830 beating GTX 460s.

Price the 5830 @ $180-$170 and its not a bad deal at all.

Compared to this, it's not a good deal. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162058

 

[Wreckage]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but there are benches of the HD 5830 beating GTX 460s.

Price the 5830 @ $180-$170 and its not a bad deal at all.

There are benches of the 460 beating the 5870.

 

[Dark Shroud]

There are benches of the 460 beating the 5870.

HD 5770s can beat a 5870 to. Or were trying to say single card vs single card?

 

[bryanW1995]

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but there are benches of the HD 5830 beating GTX 460s.

Price the 5830 @ $180-$170 and its not a bad deal at all.

according to techpowerup gtx 460 768 is ~ 6% faster across all resolutions. and according to anandtech bench gtx 460 768 wins 17-3 with a couple of ties. probably more like 15% faster across all of those, but that's just from eyeballing the numbers. heat/power/noise are all better for the gtx 460 -768 as well.

so, let's figure that the gtx 460 768 is 10% or so faster with better thermals. whats that worth, $20-30? so why have we seen the baby gtx 460 as low as $146 with no rebate and 5830 as low as ~ $170 including a rebate? so 5830 is probably about $50 total overpriced right now. sell them at $150 or so with occasional deals closer to $125-135 and it's ok.

5830 might not "suck", but certainly needs a significant price adjustment at least.

 

[Cerb]

Wow, that's... Unless there's some uber-crippling thing going on here (half ROPs disabled, or something), that the 455 won't have, this doesn't look good.

Unless, of course, you are AMD.

 

[netxzero64]

5770 is still the better card in the end?

to think that the 5770 is around for a long time now and the GTS 450 doesn't even make sense... sheeshhh

 

[edplayer]

September 13th according to a new fud article

 

[RaistlinZ]

Hm, so according to the summary it performs about 95% of a 5770, yet will cost about the same, if not more. I wonder how it'll fare in SLI compared to a single GTX470 for about the same price.