GTS 450, new Nvidia mid range

[edplayer]

http://www.fudzilla.com/graphics/graphics/graphics/gts-450-listed-in-europe


783/1566/900
192 shaders
128 bit memory

they estimate power at 125W and it to sell for $130


Price doesn't look so good. If it starts off here at $99~109, it should sell well.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

Since this is mid range stuff pricing is key.

 

[Rifter]

cant you get a GTS 250 for under that now? and i was pretty sure it had 256bit memory bus? or is this a stripped down budget version GTS250 but then why the high price?

EDIT: link finally loaded, you mean a GTS 450. HUGE differnce from GTS 250 as stated in title you should really change that as not to confuse people.

I think its going to be pretty weak with only 192 shaders but till we see benchs who can say.

 

[v8envy]

Seems reasonable. The same power as the original GTX260, which is consistent with the rest of this generation -- performance equivalent to the 2 series +10% or so, but with DX11 support. Considering GTS250s still retail for about $130 when not on sale and the slightly faster 5770 is about $30 more MSRP this should sell well.

Today's sweet spot is the $145 460, but for everyday pricing at a big box store that's a reasonable part.

 

[toyota]

Seems reasonable. The same power as the original GTX260, which is consistent with the rest of this generation -- performance equivalent to the 2 series +10% or so, but with DX11 support. Considering GTS250s still retail for about $130 when not on sale and the slightly faster 5770 is about $30 more MSRP this should sell well.

Today's sweet spot is the $145 460, but for everyday pricing at a big box store that's a reasonable part.

it will not be as fast as the original gtx260. yes the original gtx260 had 192sp but these new cards are just not very fast. the 336sp 256bit gtx460 is barely better than the 240sp gtx275 overall and in some cases its little to no better than even the 216sp gtx260.

 

[Flipped Gazelle]

it will not be as fast as the original gtx260. yes the original gtx260 had 192sp but these new cards are just not very fast. the 336sp 256bit gtx460 is barely better than the 240sp gtx275 overall and in some cases its little to no better than even the 216sp gtx260.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "barely". According to Tom's VGA chart, the 768mb GTX460 is ~ 20% faster than the GTX275 is the "Sum of FPS Benchmarks" at both 1680x1050 & 1920x1200.

 

[toyota]

I guess it depends on what you mean by "barely". According to Tom's VGA chart, the 768mb GTX460 is ~ 20% faster than the GTX275 is the "Sum of FPS Benchmarks" at both 1680x1050 & 1920x1200.

well according to most other reviews the gtx460 768mb is basically even with the gtx275 and gtx460 1gb is about 5-10% faster.

EDIT: here the gtx460 768mb is actually slower overall than the gtx275 and the gtx460 1gb is just 5% faster. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_1_GB/31.html

 

[Leyawiin]

It sounds like its going to sit exactly where it needs to (between the HD 5750 and HD 5770) in both performance and price. In fact, its going to be matching or beating most HD 5750s on the market in price unless AMD starts more aggressive discounting.

 

[badboyeee]

shux i jus bought a 5750.. it will be interesting to see how the gts450 will pan out to be

 

[tweakboy]

My cousin got that GTS 250 card with his Acer comp from Fry's. Acer mobo has no BIOS options,, not even one option.. its very bad, A-DATA ram and psu very bad.. Anyhow.

The card performs about the same as a 9800 GT. I couldn't tell a difference. Your better off with a 9800 GT then a GTS 250. gl

 

[nemesismk2]

shux i jus bought a 5750.. it will be interesting to see how the gts450 will pan out to be

the gts 450 is the one might be interested in which is why I am looking forward to seeing how it performs.

 

[edplayer]

EDIT: link finally loaded, you mean a GTS 450. HUGE differnce from GTS 250 as stated in title you should really change that as not to confuse people.

wow, that was a big mistake

Title changed.

 

[Wreckage]

I wonder if this is the reason why the GTX460 768mb cards are starting to show up cheap. They might get rid of those to allocate every chip to the 1GB cards and put the 450 in its place. :hmm:

 

[edplayer]

but it looks like the GTS 450 won't come near the performance of the gtx 460 768MB. That is if fud's prediction of between 5750 and 5770 performance is right.

 

[Wag]

Priced for the HTPC market. If someone comes out with a half-height passive cooled one it's a lock.

 

[bryanW1995]

well according to most other reviews the gtx460 768mb is basically even with the gtx275 and gtx460 1gb is about 5-10% faster.

EDIT: here the gtx460 768mb is actually slower overall than the gtx275 and the gtx460 1gb is just 5% faster. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_Cyclone_OC_1_GB/31.html

looks like I need to post this here too...sigh...

gtx 460 768mb beats gtx 275 by 9-3 with a couple of ties according anandtech bench. looks more like 10% overall, but toms tests more games so that 20% number is certainly not unreasonable. plus there's the little matter of power/heat/noise to consider...

edit: also, nvidia is notorious for doing a very good job of improving drivers on current cards and completely forgetting about the older generations, so the gtx 460 768 advantage is likely to increase over time.

 

[toyota]

Priced for the HTPC market. If someone comes out with a half-height passive cooled one it's a lock.

is that even likely for a 125 watt card?

 

[Lonyo]

One "problem" with comparing this to the HD57x0 cards... that might not be the competition when it comes out.
With all the rumours of the HD6xxx series being close, including replacements for the mid-range, the GTS450 might be a little late to the party, so competing with the current $160 cards might not cut it if they are already superseded by newer, faster cards.

 

[cusideabelincoln]

looks like I need to post this here too...sigh...

gtx 460 768mb beats gtx 275 by 9-3 with a couple of ties according anandtech bench. looks more like 10% overall, but toms tests more games so that 20% number is certainly not unreasonable. plus there's the little matter of power/heat/noise to consider...

edit: also, nvidia is notorious for doing a very good job of improving drivers on current cards and completely forgetting about the older generations, so the gtx 460 768 advantage is likely to increase over time.

I also think it isn't unreasonable to see how the 460 comes off slower than a 275 in the techpowerup results. Fermi excels in newer titles, and techpowerup does test a bunch of "older" games. And there has been evidence showing Fermi (drivers?) needs to improve in older games which aren't on the benchmark suite of most tech sites (like anand and tom's):
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=20068&page=3

BFG finds the 470 not being as big of an improvement over a 285 in the games he test, especially without the latest drivers.

So really, you both are right I think.

 

[bryanW1995]

good point.

of course, I'd rather get 20% more performance in newer games and go from 30-36 fps and have 20% less performance in older games and go from 100-80 fps.

 

[toyota]

I lost all interest in the gtx460 1gb when I saw that it was only better by just 1fps in Just Cause 2 and only 4 fps in Borderlands than the gtx260. those are 2 games that I had planned on spending tons of time playing. I guess my current card will just have to stick around a while longer to a worthy $200 upgrade come along.

 

[Skurge]

That thing is gonna struggle to keep up with a 5750. whats the bandwidth on that thing? 57GB/s?

 

[badboyeee]

wow, that was a big mistake

Title changed.

GTS 450 / GTS 250.. no mattah my 5750 will spank them both

 

[RussianSensation]

By the time this sucker ships, GTX460 768 will be in the $150 range I bet. With HD6000 series' launch within 2.5 months, I can definitely see something 6750 spanking anything in the $100-150, 6770 cleaning up the $150-200 segments. NV is in for a rough fall.

I guess my current card will just have to stick around a while longer to a worthy $200 upgrade come along.

Just shows you how awesome the G80 core was on which GTX260 is based

 

[GodisanAtheist]

I'm guessing the core in general is going to be 1/2 a GTX 460 all around (4 MIMD cores, same superscale arch, so 16 ROPS) but with a nice 16% higher core clock, we can expect something in the 5770 range up to 1680 resolutions then falling off a cliff at the 1920 resolution thanks to its severely bottle necked memory thru put (and if I'm not wrong Nvidia's ROPS aren't as efficient or something as ATI's hence the GTX4xx series "floundering" at higher resolutions).