Greta is chosen as Time's Person of the Year

[woolfe9998]

The effects that the scientific consensus predicts are extremely, extremely bad. The scientific consensus has been basically accurate up to this point so it's reasonable to infer that the sort of effects they predict are broadly accurate.

What sort of middle ground are you proposing and how much do you expect this to mitigate rising temperatures?

According to the latest report, they've actually underestimated the speed with which it would happen by a fair amount.

I'm curious about his "middle ground" approach as well. I have yet to hear any concrete proposal for even "moderate" action from anyone on the denial spectrum, even those who accept some or most of the science. That's what all denial has in common no matter the flavor: inaction is preferred. People like Blackangst will claim to accept just enough of the science to not sound totally batshit but it all bottoms out at the same conclusion.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I never said that Adam Schiff was the whistleblower.

Get your facts straight.

I kind of thought you said that earlier too.

 

[pcgeek11]

I kind of thought you said that earlier too.

There was a question mark after the Adam Schiff...

( yes I was being a smart ass ) LOL

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm curious about his "middle ground" approach as well. I have yet to hear any concrete proposal for even "moderate" action from anyone on the denial spectrum, even those who accept some or most of the science. That's what all denial has in common no matter the flavor: inaction is preferred. People like Blackangst will claim to accept just enough of the science to not sound totally batshit but it all bottoms out at the same conclusion.

Probably because it's very much like the "moderates" that MLK referred to, who prioritised civil order over justice. In this case, status quo with "thoughts and prayers" for climate change, maybe putting the odd recyclable item into the correct waste receptacle, as long as it's nothing that's particularly inconvenient for anyone, after all the free market is important too.

 

[UNCjigga]

Should have been the whistleblower.

Looks like they get the consolation prize:

 

[Gabe323]

Looks like they get the consolation prize:

Nice! I don't think Taylor should be up there though since he seemed super sketchy during his testimony.

 

[fskimospy]

According to the latest report, they've actually underestimated the speed with which it would happen by a fair amount.

I'm curious about his "middle ground" approach as well. I have yet to hear any concrete proposal for even "moderate" action from anyone on the denial spectrum, even those who accept some or most of the science. That's what all denial has in common no matter the flavor: inaction is preferred. People like Blackangst will claim to accept just enough of the science to not sound totally batshit but it all bottoms out at the same conclusion.

I agree, the goal is to justify inaction. I also suspect that most 'moderate' action will be not just inadequate, but so inadequate as to be nearly pointless.

But yes, you never know until you see the plan! I hope someone unveils a 'moderate' approach to climate change ASAP. I won't hold my breath though.

 

[woolfe9998]

Probably because it's very much like the "moderates" that MLK referred to, who prioritised civil order over justice. In this case, status quo with "thoughts and prayers" for climate change, maybe putting the odd recyclable item into the correct waste receptacle, as long as it's nothing that's particularly inconvenient for anyone, after all the free market is important too.

Agreed. There's really no such thing as a "moderate" position on this. When we're facing a global crisis, you either want to do whatever is necessary to avoid it, or you don't. There's only people who accept reality and people who do not.

 

[fskimospy]

Agreed. There's really no such thing as a "moderate" position on this. When we're facing a global crisis, you either want to do whatever is necessary to avoid it, or you don't. There's only people who accept reality and people who do not.

What I don't think people get is that the position being put forth by liberals is kind of already the 'moderate' solution as our plan now is not to halt global warming but to have things warm LESS so that we avoid the most catastrophic consequences.

 

[blackangst1]

Really? Arguing the merits of your attempt to derail a discussion yet again constitutes an attack to you? Are you that thin skinned? Serious question, not an 'attack'.

Sorry. I guess Im just frustrated at all the posters in this thread who suck at comprehension.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

What I don't think people get is that the position being put forth by liberals is kind of already the 'moderate' solution as our plan now is not to halt global warming but to have things warm LESS so that we avoid the most catastrophic consequences.

I think that's mostly because halting global warming is impossible with our current levels of technology, we don't have the appropriate levels of carbon capture tech to absorb it, we've paved over all the places where trees used to be, and we can't turn CO2 back into coal and stuff it back in the ground. Best case we stop where we are, we warm some more, and hopefully we don't all die before finding some new tech.

 

[Paratus]

What I don't think people get is that the position being put forth by liberals is kind of already the 'moderate' solution as our plan now is not to halt global warming but to have things warm LESS so that we avoid the most catastrophic consequences.

Yup. Without drastically drawing down CO2 and other greenhouse gases out of the atmosphere we are guaranteed to continue warming until hitting the new equilibrium.

Doubling the size of the rainforests would pull about 50PPM out of the air but take the rest of the century.

So sooner we stop the better.

 

[mikeymikec]

I think that's mostly because halting global warming is impossible with our current levels of technology, we don't have the appropriate levels of carbon capture tech to absorb it, we've paved over all the places where trees used to be, and we can't turn CO2 back into coal and stuff it back in the ground. Best case we stop where we are, we warm some more, and hopefully we don't all die before finding some new tech.

I wouldn't like to say impossible. IMO, if we treated this crisis as if we had to win a world war and throw our resources at it like our lives depended on it, some new tech (and perhaps some shelved prototypes that were deemed not commercially viable) would come out a heck of a lot quicker than with the current approach (ignoring denialists like the GOP for a moment).

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

I wouldn't like to say impossible. IMO, if we treated this crisis as if we had to win a world war and throw our resources at it like our lives depended on it, some new tech (and perhaps some shelved prototypes that were deemed not commercially viable) would come out a heck of a lot quicker than with the current approach (ignoring denialists like the GOP for a moment).

That's possible, a true moonshot program (like significant percentage of the US GDP) would likely yield *something*, just unknown if it will be enough. I think we'll eventually do that but it'll be once we've exhausted all other options and Shit's Getting Real.

Unfortunately right now we'll probably break 2c within 30 years even if we shut down everything across the planet, just from momentum of secondary effects like methane release from the arctic regions. Given that won't happen, I'm sure we'll see 2c in the next 10, then 2.5 another 5y after that. That's when things are going to start getting super prickly. Around 3c I think we'll close all borders, open fire on anyone who attempts to get in, and dedicate our resources to actually trying to stop/reverse this. Estimating 20-30 years for that to happen.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I wouldn't like to say impossible. IMO, if we treated this crisis as if we had to win a world war and throw our resources at it like our lives depended on it, some new tech (and perhaps some shelved prototypes that were deemed not commercially viable) would come out a heck of a lot quicker than with the current approach (ignoring denialists like the GOP for a moment).

Agreed, money & purpose always wins

 

[brycejones]

There was a question mark after the Adam Schiff...

( yes I was being a smart ass ) LOL

You probably shouldn't try to do this....you aren't good at it.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

There was a question mark after the Adam Schiff...

( yes I was being a smart ass ) LOL

You probably shouldn't try to do this....you aren't good at it.

He is too good at it.
I occasionally do the same.

 

[Vic]

Fox News made a mistake and allowed comments on their article. Comments are now disabled, but what I read I cannot un-read. It is sickening what Fox News readers had to say about a teenage girl.

Isn't it just awesome that the RWNJ Free Speech Warriors want to murder a 16 year old girl because they disagree with her speech?

 

[Vic]

Toss up between Greta and the Hong Kong protestors. I don’t understand the vitriol directed towards Greta and her activism.

I suspect your lack of understanding is the result of cognitive dissonance. You're always so concerned about faulting liberals for every tiny perceived slight that of course you don't notice that Fox news viewers are constantly demanding the murder of everyone whose speech they disagree with. That's why the Trump campaign just portrayed Trump as Thanos, and they loved it. But I'm sure that's the liberals' fault too.. if only they wouldn't keep 'abusing' their free speech by saying things that RNWJs disagree with...

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I'll just leave this here...



The same reason why Trump was elected is exactly the same reason that we have made little to no progress in regards to climate change.

Media frenzy is only concerned with who yells the loudest - and honestly - whom is the least useful to our society.

Keep it up - surely one of these days we can make some progress.

 

[IronWing]

I'll just leave this here...

The same reason why Trump was elected is exactly the same reason that we have made little to no progress in regards to climate change.

Media frenzy is only concerned with who yells the loudest - and honestly - whom is the least useful to our society.

Keep it up - surely one of these days we can make some progress.

You've posted a non-sequitur. Now tell us about the conservative plan to address global warming.

 

[ShookKnight]

I heard that Greta, AOC, Hillary Clinton, Ilhan and Pelosi all combine and form into a Voltron-like being that goes around murdering conservative males.

WHEN WILL THESE MONSTERS BE STOPPED?!

 

[Vic]

You've posted a non-sequitur. Now tell us about the conservative plan to address global warming.

The conservative plan is to do exactly what he just did. Which is to ensure that the media focus stays on figures like Greta, and not Boyan, and then blame liberals for that, and expect no one to notice.

And he's also overlooking the tremendous amount of media recognition and financial support that Boyan has received, but HEY it's Greta who is in the news today and short memories quickly forget..

 

[blackangst1]

You've posted a non-sequitur. Now tell us about the conservative plan to address global warming.

Will Republican Climate Change Proposals Work?

As conservative opinion shifts, lawmakers like Matt Gaetz and Lamar Alexander have put forward solutions that focus on "innovation" at the expense of regulation.

psmag.com

 

[woolfe9998]

I'll just leave this here...

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The same reason why Trump was elected is exactly the same reason that we have made little to no progress in regards to climate change.

Media frenzy is only concerned with who yells the loudest - and honestly - whom is the least useful to our society.

Keep it up - surely one of these days we can make some progress.

If there weren't so many people denying the science and/or advocating inaction, we wouldn't need activists like Thunberg. You are criticizing the wrong people. If you're tired of hearing from people like Thunberg, then, as another poster said, clean up your own house.