Grandmother Attacked Outside Planned Parenthood!

[cybrsage]

Without PP, there would be abortions done in alleys...

I hope you understand this is a TERRRIBLE line of reasoning to use. You are saying that since people are going to do ABC if it is illegal, it should be made legal. I hope you see how easy it is to use that line of reasoning to justify a lot of terrible things and, therefor, it is a failed line of reasoning and should not be used.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

This is just totally unacceptable since the grandmother wasn't doing anything illegal and its reprehensible how the woman would attack an elderly lady like this.

It could be argued that the woman who attacked the Catholic grandma is, to a very very limited extent, a freedom fighter. If Grandma had her way we would be living under a Catholic dictatorship and forced to adhere to Christian Sharia law.

Don't kid yourself, our good Grandma would happily have other people, the government, initiate physical force against atheists and secular people.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Maybe you'll get what's coming to you one day. The grandmother prayed. You are glad she was hurt. Seems your attitude merits violence more than her. Yeah you don't care and we know it.

She prayed--for people to have their freedom taken away.

She prayed--for the violent imposition of Christian Sharia law.

 

[Geosurface]

I donate to Planned Parenthood, and completely support their role in our society. I am fully pro-choice. I don't think much of these religious nuts who hang around outside clinics bothering people.

I understand that their belief system is very different from mine and that they BELIEVE they're doing something positive. I completely disagree with them but I am not entirely unable to understand their thought process in the context of their world view. Still, I don't like them.

Regardless, what was done to this lady is completely inexcusable and I side with her completely in this instance. I would like to see her attacker put away for as long as the law allows.

 

[boomerang]

It could be argued that the woman who attacked the Catholic grandma is, to a very very limited extent, a freedom fighter. If Grandma had her way we would be living under a Catholic dictatorship and forced to adhere to Christian Sharia law.

Don't kid yourself, our good Grandma would happily have other people, the government, initiate physical force against atheists and secular people.

More and more I see just how insane you truly are. Your thought processes are beyond the norm.

She prayed--for people to have their freedom taken away. She prayed--for the violent imposition of Christian Sharia law.

You've developed your own version of reality. Get some help because you are getting worse month by month.

 

[Oldgamer]

A 63 year old grandmother was attacked outside a planned parenthood clinic while recording the arrival of an ambulance.


The grandmother goes there regularly to pray and said that on numerous times there were ambulances being called to the clinic. She records the ambulance when a woman from the clinic comes and assaults her. The woman fled the scene and has not been arrested. The clinic didn't comment. This was the 4th botched abortion in less than 5 weeks.

This is just totally unacceptable since the grandmother wasn't doing anything illegal and its reprehensible how the woman would attack an elderly lady like this. Hopefully they find the woman responsible and arrest her and put her in jail for some time. I was totally sickened after seeing this and especially because it was a grandmother who cant defend herself.


Do you think the woman responsible for the attack should face charges.
Should the clinic be investigated to find out whats going on over there with this many botched abortions .

Video of the attack- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD3EzV91_aA

http://www.theglobaldispatch.com/ra...ays-she-prays-outside-the-clinic-video-13643/

The "grandmother" is a pro life advocate who films people coming and going from the clinic. I would be pissed too if someone was harrassing me and others like that. The lady knew she was going to get a reaction like that, that is why she has the camera. How very slanted and one sided of you to present this like it was some how unprovoked.

Yes the film is edited and doesn't show the hours of harrassment prior to.

 

[Geosurface]

Yes the film is edited and doesn't show the hours of harrassment prior to.

I have no doubt the woman is a distasteful douche.

Still doesn't even come close to justifying assaulting her.

 

[cybrsage]

She prayed--for the violent imposition of Christian Sharia law.

There is no such thing as Christian Islamic religious law.

 

[Oldgamer]

I have no doubt the woman is a distasteful douche.

Still doesn't even come close to justifying assaulting her.

I would be willing to bet that who ever was being wheeled in the ambulance was a family member of the lady who did the pushing and shoving of the woman with the camera.

If someone was harassing a friend or a family member of mine (who need emergency care like that), I would probably be doing a little shoving myself. I am not going to play on the sympathy card of "oh she is a grandmother", she knew what she was doing, she knew it was going to draw someones anger at some point.

The camera shot looks dramatic, but I bet that the lady wasn't even scratched, or harmed, just shoved to the ground and her camera pushed away.

 

[cybrsage]

The camera shot looks dramatic, but I bet that the lady wasn't even scratched, or harmed, just shoved to the ground and her camera pushed away.

Pushing an old lady to the ground is far more dangerous than pushing a teenager to the ground.

 

[Oldgamer]

Pushing an old lady to the ground is far more dangerous than pushing a teenager to the ground.

We don't even see what this "supposedly" old lady looks like. For all we know she could be some 40 year old grandmother. But the word grandmother is used to bring about an image of some frail 80 year old woman. I am sorry but I am not buying this. The lady is a pro life and they are trying to make her look like a victim. The victim is the person who is in the ambulance stretcher who probably doesn't want to be filmed.

I find it interesting that the youtube video claims "botched abortions". Yet provides no real proof. Again, this is an attempt to make it appear like there is some kind of heinous event happening inside the place.

I am not buying this nonsense. I think people that go around trying to make other peoples "private" business theirs deserve the crap they get thrown back at them.

Maybe the "old lady" should stay out of peoples private business? Then she doesn't risk getting shoved to the ground for harassment.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

If the old lady was harassing people the police should have been called to handle the situation.

None the less, shoving a person is assault. The person should be arrested, charged, and tried for assault.

 

[cybrsage]

We don't even see what this "supposedly" old lady looks like. For all we know she could be some 40 year old grandmother.

You failed to actually counter the argument.

Pushing a 40 year old woman to the ground is far more dangerous than pushing a teenager to the ground.

Maybe the "old lady" should stay out of peoples private business?

Do you apply this view equally to the Occupy Wall Street people?

 

[zsdersw]

I hope you understand this is a TERRRIBLE line of reasoning to use. You are saying that since people are going to do ABC if it is illegal, it should be made legal. I hope you see how easy it is to use that line of reasoning to justify a lot of terrible things and, therefor, it is a failed line of reasoning and should not be used.

No, that's not what he was saying at all. Abortion is already legal, whether or not PP exists... and the absence of PP doesn't make abortion illegal.

 

[Pulsar]

More and more I see just how insane you truly are. Your thought processes are beyond the norm.

You've developed your own version of reality. Get some help because you are getting worse month by month.

Insane? There are a whole lot of people who understand what he's saying, and a whole lot of people who agree. While you may be incapable of understanding his tongue-in-cheek point, most are not.

Praying for my 'soul' because I'm going to 'hell' for making choices is offensive to me. Doing so in such an obviously tramatic location is antagonistic. It has every similarity to the Westboro goons picketing military funerals.

There is little doubt she was looking for a reaction like this, and going after people in their most dire time of need is beyond the pale. No one comes to a decision like an abortion easily. They desire privacy, because it is traumatic to make a decision like that, and extremely saddening. That doesn't make it wrong. It does, however, mean that people should leave them alone.

I won't say the prayer has to stop, but I applaud people who stand up for themselves. Persecuting people who have abortions is a hate crime just like persecuting people for being black. It's just that the most uncultured and closeminded portion of our culture - the religious folks - haven't quite figured that out.

Careful. You might catch "the gay" too.

 

[Mursilis]

She prayed--for people to have their freedom taken away.

She prayed--for the violent imposition of Christian Sharia law.

If you're just going to make up facts, you might as well say she was on her way to bomb the clinic and kill everyone inside, too. Why not just go full-crazy?

 

[Ryan]

"This just in, crazy lady gets assaulted after taunting locals."

 

[shadow9d9]

I hope you understand this is a TERRRIBLE line of reasoning to use. You are saying that since people are going to do ABC if it is illegal, it should be made legal. I hope you see how easy it is to use that line of reasoning to justify a lot of terrible things and, therefor, it is a failed line of reasoning and should not be used.

Except that wasn't the whole argument... I was just pointing out the obvious. If other medical procedures were banned, the same thing would happen. No medical procedures on consenting adults should be banned.

 

[Mursilis]

I am not buying this nonsense. I think people that go around trying to make other peoples "private" business theirs deserve the crap they get thrown back at them.

Maybe the "old lady" should stay out of peoples private business? Then she doesn't risk getting shoved to the ground for harassment.

It looks like the old lady is just standing out on a public sidewalk holding a cell phone or camcorder, well within her rights as a citizen.

It's just sad how many people are attempting to justify this because it's the "other" team getting assaulted and denied their rights, but would be going ballistic if, say, private security guards did this same thing to protestors on a public sidewalk outside some big corporation's headquarters. I guess classic liberals like Burton Joseph (who represented the ACLU in National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie before the US Supreme Court) are truly dead.

 

[Mursilis]

Except that wasn't the whole argument... I was just pointing out the obvious. If other medical procedures were banned, the same thing would happen. No medical procedures on consenting adults should be banned.

Except an abortion doesn't just involve consenting adults - it also involves a fetus. You can state the fetus has no rights, or its rights don't trump those of the mother, but you can't say the fetus doesn't actually exist. Otherwise, there'd be no need for the abortion.

 

[Geosurface]

It's just sad how many people are attempting to justify this because it's the "other" team getting assaulted and denied their rights, but would be going ballistic if, say, private security guards did this same thing to protestors on a public sidewalk outside some big corporation's headquarters.

This. As I said in my earlier post, I am a firm supporter (and donator to) Planned Parenthood, and I honestly have a special distaste for people like this grandmother with her camera out. I also dislike people who harass police endlessly over trivial shit and get in their face with cameras trying to make some sort of point, even if I may on some level agree with elements of what that point is... I don't like camera-toting antagonizers, period. I used to really like Michael Moore and some of his exposes on "The Awful Truth" etc, and there may be a place for getting in someone's face with a camera, during a legitimate news story exposing corruption etc... but this ain't that.

Despite my dislike for people like her, and my fondness for Planned Parenthood, the thought of making excuses for this assault is absurd to me.

I guess classic liberals like Burton Joseph (who represented the ACLU in National Socialist Party of America v. Village of Skokie before the US Supreme Court) are truly dead.

I was a classic liberal when I was a liberal, not too long ago... but it's precisely that reason why I stopped identifying as one. I think the same has happened to a lot of reasonable conservatives. Reasonable, reality-embracing people in both camps have had to flea before the onslaught of emotional idiots.

 

[Incorruptible]

Maybe we can kick a few blacks. Why not? Some blacks rob people. Some gays too, there's child molesters in that group. I mean they are just as guilty of harm as the grandmother. Let's show everyone what people like you are made of.

Good point since if we use her logic then we can apply it to other groups as well but they would get outraged over that. I wonder how the left would feel if a pro-choice supporter was assaulted like this?

 

[Mursilis]

Don't really care about the old lady anyway. There's a planned parenthood across from campus and the zealots gather there all the time to taunt students as they come out.

More of the "my side can do whatever they want" mentality.

 

[Incorruptible]

Don't really care about the old lady anyway. There's a planned parenthood across from campus and the zealots gather there all the time to taunt students as they come out.

Its always nice to see the tolerance of the left. Would you have this same reaction if a black guy protesting got beat up by whites? Or if a woman protestor was beat up by a guy?

 

[lotus503]

Side note, the grandma was violating the law when the woman came out of planned parenthood and she filmed her.

Delaware requires consent.

Just as I want the woman prosecuted for assault, I want grandma charged with invasion of privacy.