Gov. Schwarzenegger Declares State of Emergency Due to Budget Impasse

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: spacejamz
sooner or later, providing all of those health services and education to those who were not paying into system was bound to catch up...that might not be the main cause of this, but fixing that should be a pretty big chunk of the problem...

Nice to see the exact same programs that Obama wants to implement on a national level are working out so well for the golden state.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: spacejamz
sooner or later, providing all of those health services and education to those who were not paying into system was bound to catch up...that might not be the main cause of this, but fixing that should be a pretty big chunk of the problem...

Nice to see the exact same programs that Obama wants to implement on a national level are working out so well for the golden state.

Obama 's program will work though, even Walmart has approved it, that must mean it is the right thing to do. You know walmart, the friendly family oriented, we care about people employer !

 

[Patranus]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: senseamp
Our governor is an idiot. He is blocking increasing license fees by $15/year to fully fund state parks, Instead he wants to close 200 parks that generate $2.40 of direct and indirect tax revenue for every dollar spent on them.
Time to start recall campaign.

If they generate $2.40 for every dollar spent on them, how come they are not self-funded? Why is there a need for revenue from other sources?

Do you not understand that when someone comes to visit a state park, they stay in hotel, pay tax on that, buy stuff, etc? If I ride my mountain bike in state park, I also spend hundreds of dollars a year on bike stuff.
So they may not be self-funded in terms of fees, but they generate more than enough revenue for the state to earn their keep and then some. Arnold is being penny wise and pound foolish. Yeah, he'll save a dollar on funding state parks, but lose way more than a dollar by damaging CA tourism and recreation industry, not to mention the jobs those industries create.

Revenue: $88,460,098
Operating Costs: $199,215,810
http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=23308

Looks like Revenue is 44% Operating Costs.
That revenue figure includes user fees, concessions, and miscellaneous. If you add 8.25% sales tax on ALL the state park income that is only $95,758,056 or revenue 48% operating costs.

Isn't it nice when you back your numbers up with FACTS?

 

[paperfist]

How can the government let CA go broke while spending billions a month in Iraq?

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: senseamp
Our governor is an idiot. He is blocking increasing license fees by $15/year to fully fund state parks, Instead he wants to close 200 parks that generate $2.40 of direct and indirect tax revenue for every dollar spent on them.
Time to start recall campaign.

If they generate $2.40 for every dollar spent on them, how come they are not self-funded? Why is there a need for revenue from other sources?

Do you not understand that when someone comes to visit a state park, they stay in hotel, pay tax on that, buy stuff, etc? If I ride my mountain bike in state park, I also spend hundreds of dollars a year on bike stuff.
So they may not be self-funded in terms of fees, but they generate more than enough revenue for the state to earn their keep and then some. Arnold is being penny wise and pound foolish. Yeah, he'll save a dollar on funding state parks, but lose way more than a dollar by damaging CA tourism and recreation industry, not to mention the jobs those industries create.

I understand that just fine (though I don't know if your facts are straight or not, never looked it up); I simply didn't realize that's what you meant in your post because you did not include enough clarifying information.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: paperfist
How can the government let CA go broke while spending billions a month in Iraq?

Um, I would argue that it's the state's job to keep themselves from going broke, not the fed's. With the possible exception that the fed should stop redistributing the income from CA (only 79 cents on the dollar comes back to CA, IIRC.)

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Specop 007
UNPOSSIBLE! I'm reminded time and again how the blue states are bastions of freedom and vibrant economies and how red states are dens of slovenly rednecks wallowing in filth and poverty. Its oompoosible that the greatest of Blue States would have something as petty as a budget problem!

Why? You have all your facts right but because you are red state you were doubtless never taught to think.

It is precisely because California is dynamic and wealthy it runs into such problems. It's the economy stupid. A rabbit slows down in a head wind but a tortoise doesn't even feel it. Rivers run fast in the rain, but sewers just stagnate along at a moribund pace. When the economy turns California will again be off like a rocket. You simply do not live in interesting times back there in the Paleolithic.

 

[piasabird]

Why doesnt he just ask for a government bailout like New York received when they were basically in Default a while back. This was a long while back. Just quit paying people on welfare and maybe they will all move to Texas or Louisiana or Florida.

Maybe he should just offer to give them a bus ticket to move to Florida.

 

[Modelworks]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Why doesnt he just ask for a government bailout like New York received when they were basically in Default a while back. This was a long while back. Just quit paying people on welfare and maybe they will all move to Texas or Louisiana or Florida.

He already asked. The Fed said NO!



http://www.washingtonpost.com/...tml?wprss=rss_politics

With an economy larger than Canada's or Brazil's, the state is too big to fail, California officials urge.

Apparently Obama disagrees.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
I think California should take the structure of the most fiscallly sound state and adopt it. Cut whatever programs that state doesn't have, or trim them down to that level. It's not the end of the world; THAT state survives with those programs. Raise taxes to the level that state has them. It's not the end of the world; THAT state survives with those taxes.

I hate CA Democrats who fvcked up my home state by taxing the sh!t out of us but CA has a very different + diverse demographics compared to other states.

I hate CA Republicans whose stupid f'ing toothless redneck constituents suck down more state resources than their Democratic counterparts. Not to mention the usual idiotic social conservative BS that seems to originate from the more inland areas of the state. :roll:

 

[dyna]

CA needs to claim imminent domain on some of their beach front land and since there not using their parks they can sell them both to TX to raise funds.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I hate CA Republicans whose stupid f'ing toothless redneck constituents suck down more state resources than their Democratic counterparts. Not to mention the usual idiotic social conservative BS that seems to originate from the more inland areas of the state. :roll:

What kind of "state resources" are you referring to, elitist?

 

[paperfist]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: paperfist
How can the government let CA go broke while spending billions a month in Iraq?

Um, I would argue that it's the state's job to keep themselves from going broke, not the fed's. With the possible exception that the fed should stop redistributing the income from CA (only 79 cents on the dollar comes back to CA, IIRC.)

The only problem with that is the feds have already been handing out economic stimulus money. So the precedence has been set.

BTW, I believe that CA got themselves into that mess (just like my state of NY), however they are part of this thing we call a union and you cannot possibly let them fail.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

I hate CA Republicans whose stupid f'ing toothless redneck constituents suck down more state resources than their Democratic counterparts. Not to mention the usual idiotic social conservative BS that seems to originate from the more inland areas of the state. :roll:

What kind of "state resources" are you referring to, elitist?

Ask and ye shall receive, redneck.

As just one example, Merced County has a greater percentage of their constituents depend on health and welfare programs than anywhere else in California. One in five Merced County adults are out of work, home foreclosures run rampant and anti-poverty programs are stretched to the limit. The county welfare chief calls it California's Appalachia.

One in 12 residents of Merced County have tapped CalWorks, the state's welfare-to-work effort, double the per-capita use in Los Angeles County and five times the percentage in San Francisco.

Other rural parts of California face the same situation, from the quiet timberlands of the north to the agricultural heartland of the San Joaquin Valley, where high per-capita use of public health and welfare coexists with small-government GOP representation.

Although the number of participants in anti-poverty programs is far larger in urban cities, rural enclaves consistently have the greatest per-capita need.

Roughly 1 in 20 people receive food stamps in big coastal counties such as Los Angeles. The rate is doubled in agrarian counties, such as Merced.

Although about 4% of the people in Los Angeles County fall back on CalWorks to help land a job, more than 8% use the program in the San Joaquin Valley counties of Tulare, Fresno and Merced, which routinely send GOP lawmakers to Sacramento.

http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...9jun13,0,5016357.story

 

[piasabird]

Maybe Arnold needs to just resign and leave while the getting is good. Tell the Federal Government he can no longer keep the peace and fire all the police and firemen and the teachers. In a matter of a week the Feds would have to move in and take it over.

 

[sactoking]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Ask and ye shall receive, redneck.

As just one example, Merced County has a greater percentage of their constituents depend on health and welfare programs than anywhere else in California. One in five Merced County adults are out of work, home foreclosures run rampant and anti-poverty programs are stretched to the limit. The county welfare chief calls it California's Appalachia.

One in 12 residents of Merced County have tapped CalWorks, the state's welfare-to-work effort, double the per-capita use in Los Angeles County and five times the percentage in San Francisco.

Other rural parts of California face the same situation, from the quiet timberlands of the north to the agricultural heartland of the San Joaquin Valley, where high per-capita use of public health and welfare coexists with small-government GOP representation.

Although the number of participants in anti-poverty programs is far larger in urban cities, rural enclaves consistently have the greatest per-capita need.

Roughly 1 in 20 people receive food stamps in big coastal counties such as Los Angeles. The rate is doubled in agrarian counties, such as Merced.

Although about 4% of the people in Los Angeles County fall back on CalWorks to help land a job, more than 8% use the program in the San Joaquin Valley counties of Tulare, Fresno and Merced, which routinely send GOP lawmakers to Sacramento.

http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...9jun13,0,5016357.story

The scientific method is strong in this article :roll:

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Ask and ye shall receive, redneck.

Wow, that was REALLY mature of you. Fact of the matter is that the likes of you liberals have been ruining the great state of CA for the past 2 decades, driving businesses and talent out of the state. CA is hell for the middle class because of failed socialist policies leading to high taxation. Some of my friends I went to school with in CA in engineering are moving out after being laid off.

I'm no fan of the Republicans after them doing such a wonderful job before your Messiah took over. Though by the time your Messiah leaves office the nation will probably follow CA's footsteps, drowning in debt due to idiotic policies by spreading the wealth of hard working Americans from liberal elites like Nancy Pelosi who have never earned a living from hard work.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: AreaCode707
I think California should take the structure of the most fiscallly sound state and adopt it. Cut whatever programs that state doesn't have, or trim them down to that level. It's not the end of the world; THAT state survives with those programs. Raise taxes to the level that state has them. It's not the end of the world; THAT state survives with those taxes.

After you've gotten to that point live with it until you're out of the hole and have a reserve of some level. THEN start messing with the system again, always requiring that there is a method to pay for the programs you vote in.

I just don't know what state is the most fiscally responsible; does anyone else? Could anyone provide a line by line delta between that state and California, both for taxes and spending?

:laugh: you think the leftist fuckfaces will model the state after Texas????? hahhahaa

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Mursilis
I just want to thank California for serving as a cautionary tale for the rest of the 49. We do enjoy watching you all wallow in your self-created disaster. What's that German word for that?

I believe the word is Schwarzenegger.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Patranus

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: AreaCode707

Originally posted by: senseamp
Our governor is an idiot. He is blocking increasing license fees by $15/year to fully fund state parks, Instead he wants to close 200 parks that generate $2.40 of direct and indirect tax revenue for every dollar spent on them.
Time to start recall campaign.

If they generate $2.40 for every dollar spent on them, how come they are not self-funded? Why is there a need for revenue from other sources?

Do you not understand that when someone comes to visit a state park, they stay in hotel, pay tax on that, buy stuff, etc? If I ride my mountain bike in state park, I also spend hundreds of dollars a year on bike stuff.
So they may not be self-funded in terms of fees, but they generate more than enough revenue for the state to earn their keep and then some. Arnold is being penny wise and pound foolish. Yeah, he'll save a dollar on funding state parks, but lose way more than a dollar by damaging CA tourism and recreation industry, not to mention the jobs those industries create.

Revenue: $88,460,098
Operating Costs: $199,215,810
http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=23308

Looks like Revenue is 44% Operating Costs.
That revenue figure includes user fees, concessions, and miscellaneous. If you add 8.25% sales tax on ALL the state park income that is only $95,758,056 or revenue 48% operating costs.

Isn't it nice when you back your numbers up with FACTS?

Parks themselves encourage spending according to senseamp. This is like telling a restaurant: DON'T CLOSE DOWN if you can't survive financially because I try to come to eat at your place as much as I can. Even though that money doesn't help you survive, I need to spend on gas money, and I need to buy a car, so this in turn supports the economy. Keep running your unprofitable business.

Keep GM alive because even though they will bleed cash every year, we spend tons of money on oil so it's ok.

Senseamp, as much as we all love parks and stuff, you're sounding desperate.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: alphatarget1

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Ask and ye shall receive, redneck.

Wow, that was REALLY mature of you. .

So you call the guy a name, he calls you one back, then suddenly you turn into the bastion of all things mature?

/smack upside the head

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Mursilis
I just want to thank California for serving as a cautionary tale for the rest of the 49. We do enjoy watching you all wallow in your self-created disaster. What's that German word for that?

I believe the word is Schwarzenegger.

Well done.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: dyna
CA needs to claim imminent domain on some of their beach front land and since there not using their parks they can sell them both to TX to raise funds.

I'd support war in that case. We'd win.

 

[SunSamurai]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: dyna
CA needs to claim imminent domain on some of their beach front land and since there not using their parks they can sell them both to TX to raise funds.

I'd support war in that case. We'd win.

By 'we' I hope you mean California. We have lockheed, marine bases aplenty, coastguard, etc etc.

 

[alphatarget1]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: Mursilis
I just want to thank California for serving as a cautionary tale for the rest of the 49. We do enjoy watching you all wallow in your self-created disaster. What's that German word for that?

I believe the word is Schwarzenegger.

He is Austrian