Gothic 3 Unofficial Info Thread

[Mem]

Latest Gothic 3 review .

Gothic 3 is the best title in the series to date, and would be a serious challenger to Oblivion?s crown if it were not for a lack of polish and dare we say crowd pleasing features.

 

[Ultralight]

I have been following this thread with great interest and I'll be getting Gothic 3. The question I have should I play Gothic 2 Gold first? I have never played the series before and I can get Gothic 2 Gold at a great price.

However, I come across a conflicting report that G2 Gold by Aspyr has Starforce while others say it doesn't. Two reviewers over at Amazon.com says it does while another reviewer over at Gamespot.com emphatically insists it doesn't.

The Boycott Starforce website does not have the Gothic series listed, but if I am not mistaken Aspyr was not the original publisher.


PLEASE, does anyone know what the real facts are concerning Starforce and G2 Gold? Does the U.S. release has Starforce? Thanks.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Ultralight
I have been following this thread with great interest and I'll be getting Gothic 3. The question I have should I play Gothic 2 Gold first? I have never played the series before and I can get Gothic 2 Gold at a great price.

However, I come across a conflicting report that G2 Gold by Aspyr has Starforce while others say it doesn't. Two reviewers over at Amazon.com says it does while another reviewer over at Gamespot.com emphatically insists it doesn't.

The Boycott Starforce website does not have the Gothic series listed, but if I am not mistaken Aspyr was not the original publisher.

PLEASE, does anyone know what the real facts are concerning Starforce and G2 Gold? Does the U.S. release has Starforce? Thanks.

No, Gothic 2 Gold uses SecuRom. Gothic 3 is supposed to use SecuRom in the US as well, UK version uses Tages.

And Aspyr was not the original publisher of Gothic 2, Atari was. And back then Gothic 2 used SecuRom as well. Atari dropped the title because they thought American's didn't care enough for the game to release the English expansion.

AFAIK, it was only a rumor that Gothic 3 was going to use Starforce, so there was an online petition against it, blah blah blah.

If you're interested, I'd highly suggest going back to the original game. It really sets up the background of the game, as you miss a whole lot of what's going on by just playing Gothic 2. It would be like starting the Lord of the Rings trilogy in the second movie, sure it's interesting, but you don't have the full story. Plus it's really a damn good game.

But these games are looong, which is good if you have time... Like for instance, I played Gothic 2 when it was released. Then this past summer I picked up the Gold version with the expansion. Even with already playing the original Gothic 2, playing again with the expansion was up around 60 hours to complete the game. You definately get your money's worth with the game.

 

[Crafty35a]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

No, Gothic 2 Gold uses SecuRom. So does Gothic 3. That is a fact.

AFAIK, it was only a rumor that Gothic 3 was going to use Starforce, so there was an online petition against it, blah blah blah.

Have you seen any actual confirmation of this? Everything I have seen since the game came out points to it using the Tages protection scheme, which from what I understand is similar to Starforce. Now, this is only for the European versions which have already been released - it wouldn't surprise me if the US version is released with Securom, but we don't know yet.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Crafty35a

Originally posted by: cubby1223
No, Gothic 2 Gold uses SecuRom. So does Gothic 3. That is a fact.

AFAIK, it was only a rumor that Gothic 3 was going to use Starforce, so there was an online petition against it, blah blah blah.

Have you seen any actual confirmation of this? Everything I have seen since the game came out points to it using the Tages protection scheme, which from what I understand is similar to Starforce. Now, this is only for the European versions which have already been released - it wouldn't surprise me if the US version is released with Securom, but we don't know yet.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2...c+3%22+%2Bstarforce&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&...B%22gothic+3%22+%2Bsecurom&btnG=Search

I'm not spending any more time on this subject.

 

[skace]

Just FYI, trying to play Gothic 2 and then Gothic 3 is begging for burn out. These are big games, lots of exploring, combat, etc. I would never dream of playing them both back to back. My opinion? Get both, stuff Gothic 2 on a back burner somewhere for when you are bored and play Gothic 3 now.

 

[Crafty35a]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Crafty35a

Originally posted by: cubby1223
No, Gothic 2 Gold uses SecuRom. So does Gothic 3. That is a fact.

AFAIK, it was only a rumor that Gothic 3 was going to use Starforce, so there was an online petition against it, blah blah blah.

Have you seen any actual confirmation of this? Everything I have seen since the game came out points to it using the Tages protection scheme, which from what I understand is similar to Starforce. Now, this is only for the European versions which have already been released - it wouldn't surprise me if the US version is released with Securom, but we don't know yet.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%2...c+3%22+%2Bstarforce&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&...B%22gothic+3%22+%2Bsecurom&btnG=Search

I'm not spending any more time on this subject.

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A quick search of the Jowood Gothic forums confirms that the European versions are definitely using Tages. I'm not trying to argue with you, I just want to get the facts out. People there do seem to think that the U.S. version will use Securom, as has been speculated here.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Crafty35a
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A quick search of the Jowood Gothic forums confirms that the European versions are definitely using Tages. I'm not trying to argue with you, I just want to get the facts out. People there do seem to think that the U.S. version will use Securom, as has been speculated here.

Then boycott Tages along with Starforce? Regardless, the original comment was asking primarily about Gothic 2, and I really don't know where those rumors got started, that game definitively used SecuRom.

Either way, you don't have to put up with any of it, just do what the link says to do. So in the end, is it of any importance worrying over what copy protection scheme they used?

The game I'm currently playing through is protected by Starforce, and what's funny is even the admins in the publisher's own support forums provide certain instructions, and suggest to people to follow them.

 

[Ultralight]

cubby123, thanks for the help. My original question was does G2 Gold use Starforce because I know people who have had major issues with that particular copy protection. The thing is I get conflicting reports from online reviewers and I am trying to find a definitive answer if Aspyr used Starforce in the Gold edition.

I haven't heard anything about SecuRom and so I guess that is okay. Just trying to prevent headaches that I otherwise could avoid. Thanks.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Ultralight
cubby1223, thanks for the help. My original question was does G2 Gold use Starforce because I know people who have had major issues with that particular copy protection. The thing is I get conflicting reports from online reviewers and I am trying to find a definitive answer if Aspyr used Starforce in the Gold edition.

I haven't heard anything about SecuRom and so I guess that is okay. Just trying to prevent headaches that I otherwise could avoid. Thanks.

There is one problem I know of with SecuRom, atleast the version that's shipped with Gothic 2 Gold does not work with some models of Samsung cd/dvd burners. At the time I purchased it, I did have a Samsung dvd burner, so I had to look into it closely, and the solution is easily found with Google searches. No one who was reporting the same problems had anything other than a Samsung model burner, so I'm confident it's isolated to that hardware.

 

[Hadsus]

My Samsumg DVD burner has no problems with G3.

 

[Mem]

Patch news update.

Piranha Bytes Mike Hoge has posted some news about the next Gothic 3 patch in the World of Gothic boards.

According to Hoge most of the Piranhas have worked on the 2nd patch until last week, so it seems, patch #2 is likely to be released soon. The patch will include bugfixes of course, more finetuning and completely redesign the crossbow. PB also says, they need more time to finetune the close combat system, so that hints to another patch.

 

[apoppin]

is this like Oblivion where the patch does not address bugs in games already started?

 

[Mem]

apoppin:I think the only people that know that answer are the Gothic programmers that are making the patch, I guess we just need to wait for the patch and info on fixes etc when released.

 

[Mem]

US release news.

Gamespot has an official announcement from Aspyr Media regarding the NA release date for Gothic 3:

Aspyr today announced that Gothic would be shipping to North American retailers November 13, "ensuring that it lands on store shelves by November 20." Gothic 3 picks up the series saga, putting players in control of a nameless hero once more.

This time, the hero's land is overrun with Orcs and it's up to the player to decide whether to throw in with the orcish hordes, rise up against them, or find some other resolution.

 

[cubby1223]

Gamespot has an official announcement from Aspyr Media regarding the NA release date for Gothic 3:

Aspyr today announced that Gothic would be shipping to North American retailers November 13, "ensuring that it lands on store shelves by November 20." Gothic 3 picks up the series saga, putting players in control of a nameless hero once more.

This time, the hero's land is overrun with Orcs and it's up to the player to decide whether to throw in with the orcish hordes, rise up against them, or find some other resolution.

phew, I've got a bit longer before upgrading hardware.

Although I'm not too keen on the easy/normal/hard difficulty choice I hear this game has.

 

[akshayt]

System requirements are way too high.

A recommended official of Intel 3.0GHz Dual core or AMD 64 4000. It even makes a 7800GTX to its knees, less than 30FPS!

 

[apoppin]

is it worth d/l'ing the English Ver of the re-released Gothic 1 Demo . . . just to get a 'feel' for the series?

http://www.piranha-bytes.com/gothic1/index.php?lang=eng

 

[Mem]

is it worth d/l'ing the English Ver of the re-released Gothic 1 Demo . . . just to get a 'feel' for the series?

apoppin:You are better off getting the full version of Gothic 1 sometime,story is brilliant,downsides are graphics look dated and awarkard controls, which they improved on in Gothic 2/3.

Gothic 1 has a lot of playing hours and the demo does not really do it justice since it is type of game where you must play it to the end,story is just awesome.

Sorry for the late reply ,but I have been busy in Gothic 3 with a few nasty mobs . There is supposed to be a demo of Gothic 3 sometime.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Mem

is it worth d/l'ing the English Ver of the re-released Gothic 1 Demo . . . just to get a 'feel' for the series?

apoppin:You are better off getting the full version of Gothic 1 sometime,story is brilliant,downsides are graphics look dated and awarkard controls, which they improved on in Gothic 2/3.

Gothic 1 has a lot of playing hours and the demo does not really do it justice since it is type of game where you must play it to the end,story is just awesome.

Sorry for the late reply ,but I have been busy in Gothic 3 with a few nasty mobs . There is supposed to be a demo of Gothic 3 sometime.

You're making me think of the game now. Controls weren't so bad, they took some getting used to, but after the initial clumbsiness, I thought they worked rather well. Though I do remember having to save every time before climbing or descending a ladder. I couldn't begin to count how many times I died falling off the top of a ladder. Sometimes it took 3 or 4 times for me to get up one...

But yeah, the actual storyline in the original really didn't start until halfway through the game, so I wouldn't think a demo would give you much insight into what's going on. That game had so many plot twists & turns too.

 

[skace]

I don't know what Tages security is like, but I can tell you it is nothing like Starforce. No reboots were required on install, no frontend has been seen running, and no re-key hashing when I patched the game. I'm not even sure I ever gave the game a cd key or not.

By the way, this game is freaking huge. Can't believe I'm still in the midlands.

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Mem

is it worth d/l'ing the English Ver of the re-released Gothic 1 Demo . . . just to get a 'feel' for the series?

apoppin:You are better off getting the full version of Gothic 1 sometime,story is brilliant,downsides are graphics look dated and awarkard controls, which they improved on in Gothic 2/3.

Gothic 1 has a lot of playing hours and the demo does not really do it justice since it is type of game where you must play it to the end,story is just awesome.

Sorry for the late reply ,but I have been busy in Gothic 3 with a few nasty mobs . There is supposed to be a demo of Gothic 3 sometime.

You're making me think of the game now. Controls weren't so bad, they took some getting used to, but after the initial clumbsiness, I thought they worked rather well. Though I do remember having to save every time before climbing or descending a ladder. I couldn't begin to count how many times I died falling off the top of a ladder. Sometimes it took 3 or 4 times for me to get up one...

But yeah, the actual storyline in the original really didn't start until halfway through the game, so I wouldn't think a demo would give you much insight into what's going on. That game had so many plot twists & turns too.

too late

i did the [56k] 12 hour D/L and i AM gonna TRY it
:Q

i don't expect anything but a 'feel' for the Gothic world

with NW2 coming out first in the US, it will be hard to wait for G3 to be released . . . i only got $50 to spend on a game this month as i have to upgrade my rig to a x1950p AGP and need +512MB more RAM for a total of 1.5GB . . .

[$50 game + $250 1900p + $100 RAM = $400]

damn expensive game!

i could just get an xbox360
:Q

. . . naw

 

[Mem]

with NW2 coming out first in the US, it will be hard to wait for G3 to be released . . . i only got $50 to spend on a game this month as i have to upgrade my rig to a x1950p AGP and need +512MB more RAM for a total of 1.5GB . . .

[$50 game + $250 1900p + $100 RAM = $400]

damn expensive game!

i could just get an xbox360

I'm buying NWN2 and Dark Messiah of Might & Magic,plus Silverfall ,all before xmas,don't know where I'll find time to play them all.

Gothic 3 is a long game,I hope there are no ground breaking bugs with storyline for my game,would hate to start again,especially since my character is level 62 and yes some things can still kill you with one hit.

 

[josh6079]

Dark Messiah is very buggy right now.

Between me not being able to load up Chapter 4 without it crashing while telling me some error of which I have no idea what it says and the multiplayer kicking me back out to desktop periodically, this game needs some dire attention. I even reformatted my hard drive and did a fresh install of the game and it still doesn't work right. So far it's just been a really long Demo.

Is Gothic 3 just as troublesome for the moment?

 

[Dethfrumbelo]

Originally posted by: josh6079
Dark Messiah is very buggy right now.

Between me not being able to load up Chapter 4 without it crashing while telling me some error of which I have no idea what it says and the multiplayer kicking me back out to desktop periodically, this game needs some dire attention. I even reformatted my hard drive and did a fresh install of the game and it still doesn't work right. So far it's just been a really long Demo.

Is Gothic 3 just as troublesome for the moment?

It doesn't sound like Gothic 3 is broken like DMoMM, as you're describing it. There's a memory leak and various performance issues and some of the monsters and combat are unbalanced, but nothing fatal - some people have finished G3 having done most of the quests.