Gotham (TV series) at FOX

[02ranger]

I'm pretty interested in it, but will catch up a few eps at a time. I don't expect it to be amazing right off the bat as I hope they take the time to build the groundwork (Gordon). They'll probably introduce a bunch of baddies and then take time through the season getting through each of them. I hope.

I see what you did there. :awe:

 

[KeithTalent]

I dunno guys from Ep 1 I get a feeling Wayne will be a very minor backstory

I think I heard that part of the show was added in really late. Originally it was just going to be Gordon and the baddies, but then they added in him in late with the agreement that they would not bring actual Batman in, but just having the young Bruce Wayne.

Something like that; it was on a podcast I was listening to. I have to think some of the problems with this show would go away if they did not have baby Wayne in there.

KT

 

[Ns1]

Honestly I hope Alfred never returns to the show. Can't beat Michael Caine's version.

 

[gorcorps]

All I know is, I've seen the commercials for this one like 1000 times... I have no real desire to watch this though. Nolan already ruined Batman. Wouldn't want the origin of any of the other characters ruined either. =(

Nolan ruined batman? Talk about flame bait... have fun

 

[AznAnarchy99]

Nolan ruined batman? Talk about flame bait... have fun

His favorite was Clooney's Bat nipples.

 

[smackababy]

Nolan ruined batman? Talk about flame bait... have fun

The Dark Knight Rises was awful as a Batman movie. It completely removed what the Batman character was. He takes 8 years off because his GF died? Wow! Yeah, Batman would do that! I mean, he didn't become Batman because his parents died, after all. Oh, and only one person (an orphan who got a special look) could figure out that a guy running around the city in super expensive shit was the only guy in the city who could afford to throw away super expensive shit? Let's not even bring up how Talia's ultimate plot for revenge involved building an empire, taking over Wayne's company, blowing him, and then using some special reactor to destroy the city. A couple million dollars and a dirty bomb would have done the trick, without getting the wad in her mouth. "Oh, my biggest enemy, you killed my father! So, in order to extract revenge, I am going to take a literal shot in the mouth from you! Got you good Batman!"

The other two were fine, but that third was terrible.

 

[SKORPI0]

I don't expect it to be amazing right off the bat as I hope they take the time to build the groundwork (Gordon).

I see what you did there.

Some screen shots of my HD capture.

Young Selina Kyle/Catwoman ready to pickpocket from people.

Witnessing the murders of Bruce Wayne's parents.

The Waynes at gunpoint.

Young Bruce Wayne.

Detective James Gordon

Alfred Pennyworth with the young Bruce Wayne meeting James Gordon after the burial of his parents.

Edward Nygma/The Ridder

Watching Detective Gordon leave the Wayne Mansion.

Oswald Cobblepot/Penguin after his brush with death.

 

[Skel]

I think I heard that part of the show was added in really late. Originally it was just going to be Gordon and the baddies, but then they added in him in late with the agreement that they would not bring actual Batman in, but just having the young Bruce Wayne.

Something like that; it was on a podcast I was listening to. I have to think some of the problems with this show would go away if they did not have baby Wayne in there.

KT

If they didn't have Wayne at all no one would care at all. The show wouldn't last as the draw is Batman.

 

[Ns1]

If they didn't have Wayne at all no one would care at all. The show wouldn't last as the draw is Batman.

But it was never billed or advertised as a Batman origin story, it was billed as a Gotham origin story.

 

[Skel]

But it was never billed or advertised as a Batman origin story, it was billed as a Gotham origin story.

I've only seen it billed as the before they became the characters they are. In fact I don't recall any promo for it that didn't include young wayne in it. The draw is Batman, just before Batman. They may not have intended it to be a origin story but they spend a lot of time telling us things like how Penguin got his hobble..

 

[02ranger]

The Dark Knight Rises was awful as a Batman movie. It completely removed what the Batman character was. He takes 8 years off because his GF died? Wow! Yeah, Batman would do that! I mean, he didn't become Batman because his parents died, after all. Oh, and only one person (an orphan who got a special look) could figure out that a guy running around the city in super expensive shit was the only guy in the city who could afford to throw away super expensive shit? Let's not even bring up how Talia's ultimate plot for revenge involved building an empire, taking over Wayne's company, blowing him, and then using some special reactor to destroy the city. A couple million dollars and a dirty bomb would have done the trick, without getting the wad in her mouth. "Oh, my biggest enemy, you killed my father! So, in order to extract revenge, I am going to take a literal shot in the mouth from you! Got you good Batman!"

The other two were fine, but that third was terrible.

Amen brother! I haven't found too many people who recognize Dark Knight Rises for the crapfest that it is, but it's always refreshing when I do find one.

I see what you did there.

Thief!! I said that first! lol

 

[Ns1]

I've only seen it billed as the before they became the characters they are. In fact I don't recall any promo for it that didn't include young wayne in it. The draw is Batman, just before Batman. They may not have intended it to be a origin story but they spend a lot of time telling us things like how Penguin got his hobble..

And batman before batman is Gotham. There is nowhere for the Bruce Wayne story to go because we know little Wayne does nothing until the shit that happens in Batman begins, which is when he is waaaaaaay older

We must've watched entirely different ads or something because I assumed this show was about Gordon/Harvey/penguin (and falconi evidently), not Wayne.

 

[02ranger]

And batman before batman is Gotham. There is nowhere for the Bruce Wayne story to go because we know little Wayne does nothing until the shit that happens in Batman begins, which is when he is waaaaaaay older

We must've watched entirely different ads or something because I assumed this show was about Gordon/Harvey/penguin (and falconi evidently), not Wayne.

I'd kinda like to see a Batman show that focuses solely on Bruce Wayne from the death of his parents and follows him abroad during his time of training and studying to be a crime fighter. Batman Begins showed a lot and that was nice, but I feel like there is a huge story there that hasn't ever been told before.

 

[andylawcc]

Honestly I hope Alfred never returns to the show. Can't beat Michael Cane version.

I see what you did there too

 

[gorcorps]

The Dark Knight Rises was awful as a Batman movie. It completely removed what the Batman character was. He takes 8 years off because his GF died? Wow! Yeah, Batman would do that! I mean, he didn't become Batman because his parents died, after all. Oh, and only one person (an orphan who got a special look) could figure out that a guy running around the city in super expensive shit was the only guy in the city who could afford to throw away super expensive shit? Let's not even bring up how Talia's ultimate plot for revenge involved building an empire, taking over Wayne's company, blowing him, and then using some special reactor to destroy the city. A couple million dollars and a dirty bomb would have done the trick, without getting the wad in her mouth. "Oh, my biggest enemy, you killed my father! So, in order to extract revenge, I am going to take a literal shot in the mouth from you! Got you good Batman!"

The other two were fine, but that third was terrible.

It's not a very good movie, but as you said the other two were pretty solid so it's hard to say Nolan ruined Batman.

 

[Sonikku]

It's awful.



Will prolly' see it on the DVR tonight.

 

[Ns1]

not a bad first day

The only newcomer in the slot, Fox’s Gotham (3.2 in adults 18-49, 8 million viewers), did everything you would like to see from a rookie — it delivered solid ratings with no lead-in support, improved significantly the time period (+39% in 18-49 vs the Bones season premiere last fall, which was a week earlier) and showed some growth (0.1) at the half-hour mark. According to Fox projections, Gotham will grow to a 5.1 in Live+7. That does not quite match the launch of last fall’s superhero drama, ABC’s Marvel’s Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D (4.7 in Live+SD, 7.0 in L+7) but is a very healthy number in a very competitive time period.

 

[smackababy]

It's not a very good movie, but as you said the other two were pretty solid so it's hard to say Nolan ruined Batman.

Except, he ruined the entire mythos Batman in one fell swoop. He had built arguably one of the best franchises and then ruined it by not sticking anywhere near the comics. And, not only that, (and I am stealing this from Kevin Smith) he stole the Good Will Hunting moment and even screwed that up. When Alfred was talking all silly like about his very specific coffee at a very specific cafe, did you not think "I bet that happens later on!". And then, Bruce Wayne, being the colossal non-Batman he had become fakes his death and lets the one guy who fucking raised him think he was dead until he saw him at that very specific cafe, drinking that very specific coffee. Let's not even forget, Batman talked in fucking riddles the whole movie...

Nolan took a good, not perfect, franchise and turned Batman into the fucking Riddler, crybaby Batman. He screwed up that franchise in near George Lucas fashion.

 

[Ns1]

Nolan took a good, not perfect, franchise and turned Batman into the fucking Riddler, crybaby Batman. He screwed up that franchise in near George Lucas fashion.

Billions in revenues and a ~90% RT average disagree with you

 

[Cerb]

This show looked lame from the day it was officially announced. FOX just kept pushing forward with it, despite literally nobody actually showing an interest in it.

And it's on Fox. It should have been on FX, done by someone that's made some kickass shows, before (because they're not going to put a really dark show on Fox, and whether humorous or not, this will need to be dark to be good). I'm going to watch it tonight, since I missed it yesterday, but I've figured from the start that its chances of being good are slim.

Prepared for the worst, hoping for decent...

 

[felang]

The acting was Horrible! I am also a big fan of Southland but Mckenzie in this is shit, as is most everyone else. I seriously hope it gets better, but I´m not holding my breathe. Donal Logue was great in SOA, not at all in this crapfest.

Nothing even makes sense, for example...

Logue being the sleezy has been Detective hates his new boy scout partner (Mckenzie) at first (like every cop show ever), so much so that he asks him to get a transfer, then...

At the end of the episode he tries to protect him because he "likes him"

I actually fell asleep for the last five minutes, went back right away expecting to have missed the "good part" and never found it... I´ll give it another try next week, but I´m not expecting miracles.

 

[Fritzo]

Amen brother! I haven't found too many people who recognize Dark Knight Rises for the crapfest that it is, but it's always refreshing when I do find one.



Thief!! I said that first! lol

I thought the The Knight Rises showed Bruce retiring because he was charged with murder and would be hunted down. Plus his injuries were too severe to keep going on a constant basis?

 

[Fritzo]

The acting was Horrible! I am also a big fan of Southland but Mckenzie in this is shit, as is most everyone else. I seriously hope it gets better, but I´m not holding my breathe. Donal Logue was great in SOA, not at all in this crapfest.

Nothing even makes sense, for example...

Logue being the sleezy has been Detective hates his new boy scout partner (Mckenzie) at first (like every cop show ever), so much so that he asks him to get a transfer, then...

At the end of the episode he tries to protect him because he "likes him"

I actually fell asleep for the last five minutes, went back right away expecting to have missed the "good part" and never found it... I´ll give it another try next week, but I´m not expecting miracles.

See my first post.

 

[02ranger]

I thought the The Knight Rises showed Bruce retiring because he was charged with murder and would be hunted down. Plus his injuries were too severe to keep going on a constant basis?

Thats the reason they gave but I always thought those were just excuses. I mean, as soon as Bane shows up he suits up and is fine. Granted he had to use the brace and got his ass kicked, but that was remedied by a few sets of pushups in the pit. I always thought the real reason he quit was because Rachel died.

Besides, Batman is hunted in a lot of different iterations of the comics/cartoons/movies by the police and he still goes out and fights crime. The idea that Bruce Wayne even could stop goes against the Batman mythos. He does not stop. His work is never done. He gets his freaking back broken and gets somebody to take over because the job isn't finished and as soon as he heals he kicks Azrael's ass and takes the mantle back. I know they had the Dent Act, but I still don't buy that Wayne would stop being Batman because of that. That is my number 1 complaint with DKR, Batman doesn't quit. And he sure as hell wouldn't turn over such a dangerous job to some cop he basically just met. If the cops had sufficient training to do what Batman does, there would be no need for Batman!

 

[Staples]

Penguin was not fat.

The show is a dud.